Fuck me school shooting in Texas

[pmclaine]

All of that is true. However, all the training in the world is not going to help anyone get in the door if they lack courage.

Some folks talk a good line about what they would do in a situation but till it actually happens, nobody knows what they will do when the first shot is fired or first punch is thrown at them.

I knew a man in the military once who was about 6' to 6'2" and probably about 180-200. All that weight was all muscle. He was a walking wall of steel.

He talked tough all the time. Every other word was an F-bomb. He liked to intimidate people.

He was like that till one day, a field mouse ran underneath his chair. I use to think he had a deep voice till he started shrieking like a little girl.

I kid you not. He was pissing his pants and shrieking in terror as he jumped on his chair to escape the little furry thing.

Everyone of us that saw it about pissed our pants from laughing so hard. From that time on, he didn't act so tough. He was emotionally castrated.

I was one of his biggest tormentors after that.

We would be approaching each other in the hallway from opposite directions. After I got close to him, I'd jump back and shout, "Look out there's a mouse!"

He'd keep walking with his head down and mumble, "that's real funny."

I've interjected some levity in the subject matter but it's true. Nobody knows how they are going to react until they are put in that situation.

A retired police Captain was telling me about the problems he experienced; actually it was the wussy cops in his department. They acted nervous and afraid to go on some calls.

Now, I'm not trying to be unduly harsh but I said, "that's probably because, you hire people that have never been in fist fights."

He nodded his head in agreement.

During WWII, the German army tried to recruit soldiers, that had experience as poachers, into the sniper ranks. There must have been something to that. Imagine any army forgiving its personnel for pre-service crimes to use those same skill sets in the service of their country.

Poachers know what it is like to hunt and to be hunted - by game wardens. A Wildhüter (game keeper) in Nazi Germany was probably a man that you didn't want to cross whilst poaching the Reich's deer.

Do they ever ask potential cops in a job interview if they have ever been in a fight or been shot at?

Part of it is you have to think about it enough you make the decision ahead of time.

Not bragging during training but when alone actually thinking “What am I going to do?”

If your first truthful conversation with yourself is on the school parking lot it’s too late.

 

[pmclaine]

Well, seems the timeline and facts have for the most part been released.

The shooter opened fire at least three times while they were in the hallway and another officer who’s wife was in the room/s called him and told him she and others were bleeding bad.

So, definitely not a barricaded hostage situation. At least not one where there’s a chance of negotiations.

Apparently no one even checked the door to see if it was unlocked. And Arredondo told dispatch they were outgunned (doesn’t matter in that situation). As well as still not going in once shields and rifles showed up.

Had he not fired any shots once he entered the classroom, I could see a change in tactics/situation depending on the information at hand.

But, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all.

With the information now available, it’s a pretty incredible fuck up.

Wait you were the one stating it went “Barricaded”.

Why did you change your mind.

No facts about the shooter changed.

The only new info is it’s confirmed, as first suspected, the PO failed.

 

[UKDslayer]

Developing. I’ll post the vid if I see it pop up again View attachment 7877703

Did anything come of this, especially in light of the mil. plane landing in Uvalde a few minutes before event began and then taking off?

 

[Snuby642]

I was going to comment but my damn teleprompter is malfunctioning.

Trying to figure out todays most popular sheep theory all by myself is a daunting task.

I could just wing it but have only had the one beer and need more inspiration.

 

[Kjb1796]

Last report I read said the exterior doors were routinely unlocked, and the classroom door couldn't be locked as reported to maintenance by a teacher.

 

[datec]

Uvalde school shooting: Officer whose wife was shot was disarmed and 'escorted' away, Texas DPS chief says

Department of Public Safety chief McCraw says officer whose wife was shot, and called him from classroom, was disarmed and escorted from the scene

www.yahoo.com

They even treated their own like they were expendable. Wonder how he feels about his partners in law enforcement? One can't keep wondering who's at fault now, they all have blood on their hands and are complicit to murder by allowing it to continue and stopping the ones who would have entered from ending the situation. Wonder how the police union will come to their rescue to save their jobs, benefits and pentions that I feel they all need stripped of and be forced to find another career like sanitation or cutting lawns.

 

[Boon20]

For anyone interested

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I have a friend that was given an award for saving a fellow Marine in a firefight in Afghanistan just a short time after recovering from being shot himself. It was not a major injury and he didn't want to worry his wife so he didn't tell her about it. During the awards ceremony the citation was read. It described his return to duty from his injury and running into fire to retrieve an injured Marine. He tells of being more scared of his wife (who was at the ceremony) finding out that he'd been shot and not telling her about it.

All of that is true. However, all the training in the world is not going to help anyone get in the door if they lack courage.

Some folks talk a good line about what they would do in a situation but till it actually happens, nobody knows what they will do when the first shot is fired or first punch is thrown at them.

I knew a man in the military once who was about 6' to 6'2" and probably about 180-200. All that weight was all muscle. He was a walking wall of steel.

He talked tough all the time. Every other word was an F-bomb. He liked to intimidate people.

He was like that till one day, a field mouse ran underneath his chair. I use to think he had a deep voice till he started shrieking like a little girl.

I kid you not. He was pissing his pants and shrieking in terror as he jumped on his chair to escape the little furry thing.

Everyone of us that saw it about pissed our pants from laughing so hard. From that time on, he didn't act so tough. He was emotionally castrated.

I was one of his biggest tormentors after that.

We would be approaching each other in the hallway from opposite directions. After I got close to him, I'd jump back and shout, "Look out there's a mouse!"

He'd keep walking with his head down and mumble, "that's real funny."

I've interjected some levity in the subject matter but it's true. Nobody knows how they are going to react until they are put in that situation.

A retired police Captain was telling me about the problems he experienced; actually it was the wussy cops in his department. They acted nervous and afraid to go on some calls.

Now, I'm not trying to be unduly harsh but I said, "that's probably because, you hire people that have never been in fist fights."

He nodded his head in agreement.

During WWII, the German army tried to recruit soldiers, that had experience as poachers, into the sniper ranks. There must have been something to that. Imagine any army forgiving its personnel for pre-service crimes to use those same skill sets in the service of their country.

Poachers know what it is like to hunt and to be hunted - by game wardens. A Wildhüter (game keeper) in Nazi Germany was probably a man that you didn't want to cross whilst poaching the Reich's deer.

Do they ever ask potential cops in a job interview if they have ever been in a fight or been shot at?

Just saying that, that guy may have acted like a girl when the mouse ran under his chair but when the shtf he may be there. I've seen some guys break dance better than Michael Jackson after walking into a spider web but you would have to cover their six when the chips were down because they were going full blast to the point.

 

[UKDslayer]

Uvalde school shooting: Officer whose wife was shot was disarmed and 'escorted' away, Texas DPS chief says

Department of Public Safety chief McCraw says officer whose wife was shot, and called him from classroom, was disarmed and escorted from the scene

www.yahoo.com

WTF:

Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steven McCraw ripped into the Uvalde school police chief's handling of last month's shooting at Robb Elementary School and said that some officers wanted to approach the gunman earlier, including a school district police officer whose wife was killed in the massacre.
That officer, Ruben Ruiz, received a call from his wife, Eva Mireles, who told him that she had been shot.
"He tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw said Tuesday at a Senate hearing. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."
Mireles later died in an ambulance on the way to a hospital.

 

[UKDslayer]

For anyone interested

This is the live DPS public hearing now with running commentary from ex-SWAT guy (Donut Operator). Shooter lived .29 miles away from the school and did fourth grade in the room he killed the kids. He had a joint bank account with his grandmother "that can't be disclosed because of Grand Jury" (not sure what Grand Jury is looking at when suspect is dead).

Edit: He had 1740 rounds of .223 + another 400 at home. Daniel Defense, Smith & WessonMP15, 8 PMAGS, slings, optics..

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I wonder how he continues to work alongside his badge buddies.

WTF:

Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steven McCraw ripped into the Uvalde school police chief's handling of last month's shooting at Robb Elementary School and said that some officers wanted to approach the gunman earlier, including a school district police officer whose wife was killed in the massacre.
That officer, Ruben Ruiz, received a call from his wife, Eva Mireles, who told him that she had been shot.
"He tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw said Tuesday at a Senate hearing. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."
Mireles later died in an ambulance on the way to a hospital.

I wonder if they can look him in the eyes and say that they did their job.
Not really.

 

[W54/XM-388]

WTF:

Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steven McCraw ripped into the Uvalde school police chief's handling of last month's shooting at Robb Elementary School and said that some officers wanted to approach the gunman earlier, including a school district police officer whose wife was killed in the massacre.
That officer, Ruben Ruiz, received a call from his wife, Eva Mireles, who told him that she had been shot.
"He tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw said Tuesday at a Senate hearing. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."
Mireles later died in an ambulance on the way to a hospital.

Perhaps one day he'll do what a man should do and put a sledghammer to the skulls of those vile cowards who protected the mass murderer and made sure the kids died.

This is more and more turning into something that can ONLY be explained by the LE were IN on wanting the kids to die for politics.
I'm sure some citizens doing some "harsh interrogation" of the offending police officers could reveal some interesting details.

 

[candyx]

Funny that the diagrams in the red bag were incorrect even so one would hear the gunfire outside the door that everyone was standing at for a hour, does someone need to draw a map for him ????? Stumbling and bumbling telling a story trying to divert responsibility is not a good look, just come out and tell them WE FUCKED UP AND HAVE NO EXCUSE. Explain to them that the Officers have families, we are not Navy Seals and Army Rangers we just write parking tickets from 9 to 5 .

 

[UKDslayer]

This hearing is insane. Talk about a soft target - both exterior doors to the hallway were open, and the teachers could NOT physically lock the interior doors from the inside; the classrooms could only be locked from a key from the hallway!! (So NO, the doors were not locked, no need for a breaching device). One of the doors had a defective strike plate making it unlockable and the teacher had previously requested that the door lock be fixed - didn't happen. When they were searching for master keys and some cops said "this key doesn't work" I think they were trying it on other rooms - they didn't even try to open the doors with the victims. There were two interior doors to the two rooms which had a connecting door, and one exterior window in each room. The shooter started shooting at 11:33, the chief was there at 11:36. He went by the shooter while the shooter was still outside. Chief didn't have a radio, only border patrol officers radios worked, even the SRO radio didn't work from inside the school. (But the poor kids cell phones did). Even when DPS special agent showed up much later the shooter was STILL shooting; DPS agent said "we need to go in" and the chief told him he couldn't, they needed a special team and a sniper on a roof (which wouldn't have worked because the library would have blocked the sniper). In frustration the DPS agent went searching the rest of the school and did find a student hiding in a bathroom. Another cop said "they're gonna be mad at us for not going in" and the chief STILL said not to try the doors.
The chief also sent officers out of the school to the outside to "set up a perimeter and do crowd control" (harass and detain parents), to "wait to get a sniper on a roof" - while there was shooting going on. Just hard to watch...

I can't imagine a grieving parent listening to this cluster****.

 

[Snuby642]

The shooter could not fry in hell slow enough to suit me.

People were all hoping for the fairytale hero response that just didn't come togeather this time.

Saturday the 18th of June is national train a teacher to shoot day. Texas has laws providing for teachers to be armed in the classroom. I suggest they take advantage of the free training all the gun ranges will be providing.

Schools, hospitals, and other places without adequate security have made themselves well known soft targets controlled by liberal scum even though some states have made provisions to the contrary.

Waiting for traditional first responders to save you is not working out too well these days.

We will be forced to harden targets with or without approval by anyone. As far as I see it the Constitution provides enough direction in that matter.

You can't fix liberal scum.

Your waiting for people to come save you..lol

What a disaster.

Don't guess any of those guys would pass the Fort Worth sticker patch drill.

 

[TheMammoth]

Gonna bow out of this one gents.

Too many tactical Timmy’s showing with “I know what I’d do” and shit they think they saw one time.

Hopefully you never find yourself in the situation.

If you do, I promise you’ll have a different outlook after.

LOL ok, bootlicker.

 

[Doc68]

Gonna bow out of this one gents.

Too many tactical Timmy’s showing with “I know what I’d do” and shit they think they saw one time.

Hopefully you never find yourself in the situation.

If you do, I promise you’ll have a different outlook after.

I've been on a two way range a few too many times, I would have made entry, period. I have put my life on the line more than once.....these pieces of shit stood by and listened to kids being murdered in cold blood by some cuck.....

All for paycheck, political and being scared.....

Doc

 

[Longshot231]

I have a friend that was given an award for saving a fellow Marine in a firefight in Afghanistan just a short time after recovering from being shot himself. It was not a major injury and he didn't want to worry his wife so he didn't tell her about it. During the awards ceremony the citation was read. It described his return to duty from his injury and running into fire to retrieve an injured Marine. He tells of being more scared of his wife (who was at the ceremony) finding out that he'd been shot and not telling her about it.

Just saying that, that guy may have acted like a girl when the mouse ran under his chair but when the shtf he may be there. I've seen some guys break dance better than Michael Jackson after walking into a spider web but you would have to cover their six when the chips were down because they were going full blast to the point.

Maybe we might be driving at the same point but from different angles and saying it differently.

The point that I'm trying to make, and you as well, is that none of us know how we will react or how others will react in a critical situation.

However, I think a good gauge of a person's metal is how they have performed in the past.

I've been in a lot of fist fights and street fights as a teenager. The last person that I got into a fight with nearly died at my hands. Trust me, it really was self defense.

I was not going to give him another opportunity to get at me again and had no reservations about choking the life out of him.

So, for myself, I know that I can kill a person as long as they need killing. Some people have no idea if they can do that.

A friend of mine is retired SWAT and described another member of the team as probably being less than reliable. He asked this man if he had ever hunted or killed anything. The answer was no.

He suggested that he take up hunting so he knows what it is to take the life of a living being.

The photos and videos of cops, SWAT teams and other law enforcement personnel look really impressive with the great looking uniforms, body armor, weapons and other gear. However, we have no idea if they will fight.

I know of an active duty cop who is tall, fit and a pretty boy. He's good at the PR but the public doesn't know him like I do. I can predict with 99% certainty that he would turn yellow in a gun fight. I can make that prediction because of how well I know him.

Now that sounds like I'm contradicting my previous statements. However, I've know him for several years and seen him in other settings. I've seen a lot of people like him.

Would I choose him for any serious work requiring quick decision making, courage and ability to react quickly? Hell no.

The pretty boys with all the tactical toys might not be the first choice to put on a badge. Sometimes, little fat guy with a bald head might be the lifesaver.

I'll throw out the question that I asked earlier. Do they ever ask potential cops in a job interview if they have ever been in a fight or been shot at?

 

[st1650]

Globohomo doesn’t give two shits about if an applicant has been in a fight or shot at or how brave they would be in an active shooter scenario.
They carefully select and groom candidates that will do what they tell them to do.
Why do you think the Court upheld this

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops

abcnews.go.com

 

[Longshot231]

Globohomo doesn’t give two shits about if an applicant has been in a fight or shot at or how brave they would be in an active shooter scenario.
They carefully select and groom candidates that will do what they tell them to do.
Why do you think the Court upheld this

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops

abcnews.go.com

I like the OSS philosophy for recruiting their agents. They wanted a PhD that could win a bar fight.

 

[datec]

Need more to stand up and demand it, don't ask, demand.