Good grief.Three hundred and thirty two per thousandView attachment 7533160
Is this a "desperation" bidding war?
or is this a "Too many people have too much money to burn" war?
In any case, someone is a lot bigger shooter than I am!
Cheers.
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Is this a "desperation" bidding war?
or is this a "Too many people have too much money to burn" war?
In any case, someone is a lot bigger shooter than I am!
Cheers.
GB currently has 5000 Federal 210 primers for $750 with free shipping. Five available. That's 15 cents each Keep what you need and sell the rest
Dude that is soft porn pics. Add some primers and we could sell posters with the pictures for big bucks over next couple months.
Most of this stuff is just people exercising their right to be stupid. There are still places, that while high, are not coupled to the insanity on Gunbroker. At least they got the "broke" part of it right.
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Except for the fact that they are unintentionally setting the market. People will see these vastly inflated completed auctions and think that's what they can sell for.
Oh, that'd be me. WTB SCAR 17 @ $3100 or less. Factory condition, NIB.
Reason being I already have one on order with FN, goddamn company said "in stock" but sent an email with some excuse about how it's not. So I figure if I can get one at the price I'd normally pay (or maybe a bit more, all considered) I'll go elsewhere, otherwise I'll wait.
FWIW, I COULD have bought SCAR mags at $150ea. on GB... But I had a backorder in with DSG and they just came through with ten for the price of three on GB.
Same with Colt 32rd. mags.
Same with many other items. I also generally deal direct with the mfg.'s because I get a discount usually and so I'm a little better informed on what's going on vs. "my dealer said..."
If you are patient and know how this shit works, able to call a dealer and place an order (OR the mfg.) it will come through. Most won't take an order if they don't think they'll get it.
Speaking of ridiculous prices and Scars.......
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But it is in stock and if you have to have one........nah, they are overpriced even at $4k
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But it is in stock and if you have to have one........nah, they are overpriced even at $4k
Thank the Lord my buddy Barack Obama convinced me to stock up back when things were relatively cheap. Best guns and ammo salesman ever, at least until Covid and Biden.
I have more LP than I can use so I offered them trade for .22s-people sending me offers of 150-200$ for 1k........so I changed ad and put them out 1 for 1-primer for .22.....traded 3k so far and the traders are all happier than I am,so I don't have a problem doing it.
Three hundred and thirty two per thousand
I JUST bought 10,000 CCI 41 a few months back for like $330. Shipped.
Why the fuck would anyone pay that?
President of Speer said NOTHING has changed, just a bunch of new fuckers buying shit for the first time.
Since this is becoming such a problem, maybe we should make it so if you don't already own firearms then you get put to the back of the line when supplies are low. I'm sick of this shit.
You're angry because you showed up late to the party after most of the booze and food has already been consumed. Now you want to punish those that were there early or on time just so you can get your share of the new rations. That sounds just about right to be a socialist. Many of us have been fighting this crap for a long time while others set back and did nothing because it did not directly affect them. Now those same people that didn't care want to get mad and entitled just because they finally decided to show up to the party. I'm well prepared right now but anyone can bet like it's money in the bank when things I need are available I'm going to be Jonny on the spot placing orders.
What cracks me up is people complaining that nothing is available. I laugh and tell them that there is a shit load available, you just don't want to pay for it. Damn gimme dats always trying to jump on the entitlement train. It's a high price to pay for being a retard and not stocking up during 4 years of ammo glut.
I personally refuse to pay most of today's prices. I'm also fortunate enough to not have to pay them. I am still buying from legitimate businesses that still have common sense prices. It just takes patience and time. Both I have.
This is not gun broker but WTF?
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Maybe Sig's new ammo is being made out of pure unobtainium now.
That has to be either a joke or a way to check if people are paying attention to their ads.
On related note, I really don't understand all this perpetual, fear-driven, narratives that exist solely to drive up prices. I've been owning and using guns for at least 40 years now, and for the last 30 years all I've heard is how the anti-gunners are going to take our guns and gun rights away. Don't get me wrong, they try...constantly. They just rarely succeed. But in the last 30 years of gunning, all I've seen is gun rights expand. The last major gun restriction was the Brady Bill in 1993. Since then, most of what anti-gunners try is shot down, excuse the pun, before it can be debated or voted on. I can now open carry in many more states than before. I can now get my CCW in a shall issue state. Stand your ground is the law in more states than not. My CCW is accepted across more state lines. People have more weapons and there are a dozen gun shops within 10 miles of my house. Handgun purchases seem to make a new record, year after year. My local politicians can't make gun laws. I can legally own not only an AR, but an automatic weapon, a suppressor, a semi-automatic .50 cal sniper rifle, a short-barrel shotgun, a 500 S&W, a semi-auto shotgun, huge magazines, and even a flamer thrower. I've seen NY and CA remove gun rights cases from the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court has more 2A friendlies on on than ever before. It seems like regardless of the politician running for office or who wins, I'm told by the gun industry that I better buy my guns and ammo NOW, NOW, NOW, because my rights are getting ready to be taken away. But the anti-gunners haven't even been able to get laws passed that require background checks on private sales after decades of trying. The anti-gunners can't even make it illegal for a felon to buy ammo or a person on the anti-terrorist watch list prevented from buying any legal weapon they want, including automatic weapons. I'm not saying anti-gunners wouldn't make all of that illegal if they could...in a second. I'm just saying that here we are yet again in another era of scarcity of weapons and ammo, worst than ever before, and the same scare tactics that were said the last 10 times are being said this time. Hell, the guy elected President couldn't get anti-gun laws passed when his boss, Obama, won the election by an even bigger margin and was more popular. Literally, Biden's track record, despite trying otherwise, is one of expanding gun rights, not gun control (and bless everyone who has made it that way). But after hearing about all these supposed politicians that will be coming for my guns and ammo for 30 years without any of it being true...perhaps I'm starting to get a little skeptical. It seems to me the gun and ammo vendors love to scare us into paying more for guns and ammo and we go right along with it like it's actually going to happen this time. And we buy it hook, line, and sinker, fighting each other to pay more for everything. I think the leaders of the big vendors are laughing at us as we believe their line of fear yet again. I hope I didn't offend anyone...but boy, this line of gun control fear feels awful familiar.
lets not forget, 2008-2010 Ds held a 57-41 senate advantage and a 257-178 house advantage and didnt get anything through. Stay on your reps, do what you can to get new shooters involved, and stick to facts. Hyberbolic 'what-ifs' do nothing.
Which states? Maybe some minor movement in VA. Each month I read about 20 pending bills but they never seem to get past pending.
Exactly. And now it's 50-51 and a much smaller House advantage. Most federal bills take at least 60 votes (at least now) in the Senate, and there are so many moderates representing Republican-skewing states and districts (like WV) that it's really, really tough to get anti-gun legislation passed. Even at the state level I hear a lot of noise, but not a lot of passed legislation...with VA being the rare exception, but even those changes are minor. This is not to say that we don't need to keep up the fight...but I'm tired of guns and ammo being so expensive year after year and yet I've been able to buy the same things for 25 years...with the exception of bump stocks (and even that barely got passed).
Blue and purple states. Look at the SAFE Act in NY, magazine limitations across multiple states including Magpul’s previous HQ, huge stupidity in Maryland, and the constant assault in other states. They are chipping away at the state level, I think that’s undeniable.
Please remember that terrible period of September 13, 1994 - 2004. So very thankful for that Sunset Provision. Those that didn't live through that can't imagine what a pain in the ass that was.
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Purple state examples? Every purple state I can think of has become much more 2a friendly including allowing nfa items, adding an amendment to the state Constitution, expanded carry and self defense laws.
What's the stat now? - 32 states have all red state chambers?
This shocked me, considering they’re guaranteeing you a minimum of 12 month weight and MSRP I’d ordering straight from Q, but maybe it’s not such a bad deal after all?
Damn, that thing is up to $8,500 with 17 bids
. I knew I should have bought a stack of lowers when I saw a good deal on them. probably could sell a $70 lower now for $300.You got a steal. I buy SAA but unfortunately I am limited to gunbroker because no one around here sells them. New ones are selling above MSRP and nice 2nd gens are around the 3k mark. Nice score.
If you look at the anti-2FA laws passed...like you mention above...against larger magazines. Does it justify EVERY gun, rifle, ammo, and ammunition component being off-the-rails expensive and scarce?? It's not like they are coming for my glock, but glocks and the ammo that you put in them are expensive and scarce. They aren't coming for my competition 6.5 Creedmore, but good luck buy ammo for it. I get that anti-2FA's are always gunning for us and they are making some small enroads in some states...but does it justify what is happening to every bit of guns and ammo? No, I just don't understand it. The panic doesn't seem justifiable for the threat. I'd expect the things actually threatened...AR's for example...larger magazines, etc., to go up in price and scarcity, but everything in the gun world? It's like we are reactionary sheep just waiting for the latest scare tactic to make us pay more than we should for everything. That's my beef.
Its not "like" many shooters are sheep, they absolutely are. The irony comes in when so many of those people fancy themselves "sheepdogs"...
As long as ammo companies are refusing to increase their production to levels that keep stock on the shelves, this is going to continue, and if there's one thing ammo companies proved during Obama's 8 years is they simply will not make the investments to keep up with high demand, even if that demand proves to be beyond their capacity for several years. They might increase their shifts and production some, but it was never enough to catch up to demand, and I doubt we'll see them do anything different this time. That's not fear or panic, that's simply recognising a similar situation and expecting similar outcomes, it's probability.
As long as shooters go to the gun store, or look online and 9mm is either $50/box or it's simply not available, they are going to buy every box they can possibly afford whenever they see it for cheaper anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's ammo, tooth brushes, toilet paper, or pop tarts, if consumers can't get buy it for months or the price increases 500%, they are going to buy all they can if they find it for cheaper, and their going to call all their buddies and send them there too until production meets the new demand. Keep in mind it's not just shooters, store people are buying this stuff up as soon as it's off the truck and putting it on gunbroker.
In terms of mags/guns you can make a case it's fear/panic, but in reality we do lots of things out of fear, buy insurance, buy gun safes, carry guns, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, get flu shots, brush our teeth, eat better, exercise, drive on the right side of the road, get our wives anniversary presents the list goes on an on. Almost every human behavior can be traced back to the fundamental motivation "If I do this, I prevent this bad thing from happening". It's like the old saying, you can motivate someone to do a lot with positive stimulus, but you can motivate anyone to do ANYTHING with the right negative stimulus.
As long as shooters go to the gun store, or look online and 9mm is either $50/box or it's simply not available, they are going to buy every box they can possibly afford whenever they see it for cheaper anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's ammo, tooth brushes, toilet paper, or pop tarts, if consumers can't get buy it for months or the price increases 500%, they are going to buy all they can if they find it for cheaper, and their going to call all their buddies and send them there too until production meets the new demand. Keep in mind it's not just shooters, store people are buying this stuff up as soon as it's off the truck and putting it on gunbroker.
In terms of mags/guns you can make a case it's fear/panic, but in reality we do lots of things out of fear, buy insurance, buy gun safes, carry guns, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, get flu shots, brush our teeth, eat better, exercise, drive on the right side of the road, get our wives anniversary presents
the list goes on an on. Almost every human behavior can be traced back to the fundamental motivation "If I do this, I prevent this bad thing from happening". It's like the old saying, you can motivate someone to do a lot with positive stimulus, but you can motivate anyone to do ANYTHING with the right negative stimulus.
I agree by keeping the production at the same level they increase price per box. What I do t get is they keep coming out with new cartridges also like the 6.8 westerner. Why introduce new cartridges when you can’t meet demand and collect money from the ones you have already developed?As long as ammo companies are refusing to increase their production to levels that keep stock on the shelves, this is going to continue, and if there's one thing ammo companies proved during Obama's 8 years is they simply will not make the investments to keep up with high demand, even if that demand proves to be beyond their capacity for several years. They might increase their shifts and production some, but it was never enough to catch up to demand, and I doubt we'll see them do anything different this time. That's not fear or panic, that's simply recognising a similar situation and expecting similar outcomes, it's probability.
As long as shooters go to the gun store, or look online and 9mm is either $50/box or it's simply not available, they are going to buy every box they can possibly afford whenever they see it for cheaper anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's ammo, tooth brushes, toilet paper, or pop tarts, if consumers can't get buy it for months or the price increases 500%, they are going to buy all they can if they find it for cheaper, and their going to call all their buddies and send them there too until production meets the new demand. Keep in mind it's not just shooters, store people are buying this stuff up as soon as it's off the truck and putting it on gunbroker.
In terms of mags/guns you can make a case it's fear/panic, but in reality we do lots of things out of fear, buy insurance, buy gun safes, carry guns, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, get flu shots, brush our teeth, eat better, exercise, drive on the right side of the road, get our wives anniversary presents
Its the pyscology of trying gain semblence of control in a situation they feel they have no control over. All logic and rationale is gone. As much as "gun guys" try to project the image of the strong protector, as a whole they are just as much or moreso mentally weak as it pertains to these situations and succumb harder than anyone.As long as ammo companies are refusing to increase their production to levels that keep stock on the shelves, this is going to continue, and if there's one thing ammo companies proved during Obama's 8 years is they simply will not make the investments to keep up with high demand, even if that demand proves to be beyond their capacity for several years. They might increase their shifts and production some, but it was never enough to catch up to demand, and I doubt we'll see them do anything different this time. That's not fear or panic, that's simply recognising a similar situation and expecting similar outcomes, it's probability.
As long as shooters go to the gun store, or look online and 9mm is either $50/box or it's simply not available, they are going to buy every box they can possibly afford whenever they see it for cheaper anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's ammo, tooth brushes, toilet paper, or pop tarts, if consumers can't get buy it for months or the price increases 500%, they are going to buy all they can if they find it for cheaper, and their going to call all their buddies and send them there too until production meets the new demand. Keep in mind it's not just shooters, store people are buying this stuff up as soon as it's off the truck and putting it on gunbroker.
In terms of mags/guns you can make a case it's fear/panic, but in reality we do lots of things out of fear, buy insurance, buy gun safes, carry guns, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, get flu shots, brush our teeth, eat better, exercise, drive on the right side of the road, get our wives anniversary presents
Those cartridges have been in development for years, and they would never be available on any widespread level for months (up to a year) in a normal time. So there is little risk to continue on with the scheduled release plan, take advantage of more eyes in the market and bank on some form of normality by the time they would actually be getting product to market.
Dont be a nieve child. You think its any different with any goods or services ANYWHERE else in the world? Sucking dick for a pound of rice might be a foriegn concept in Kansas city but is just life in most of the world.
You cant beat the laws of supply and demand. Something many here seemed to fail in econ 101.
Tell that to the people who live in DC, NJ, NY, MD, CT ,CA, MA , CO ,IL and a dozen other states.
The market is simply reactcting to a threat of no future supply. With everything we have seen in the last year you have to be retarded to not see where this is going.
The world has changed, wake up.
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This is the type of ignorant informance that people who really have no idea what they are talking about parrot.As long as ammo companies are refusing to increase their production to levels that keep stock on the shelves, this is going to continue, and if there's one thing ammo companies proved during Obama's 8 years is they simply will not make the investments to keep up with high demand, even if that demand proves to be beyond their capacity for several years. They might increase their shifts and production some, but it was never enough to catch up to demand, and I doubt we'll see them do anything different this time. That's not fear or panic, that's simply recognising a similar situation and expecting similar outcomes, it's probability.
As long as shooters go to the gun store, or look online and 9mm is either $50/box or it's simply not available, they are going to buy every box they can possibly afford whenever they see it for cheaper anywhere. It doesn't matter if it's ammo, tooth brushes, toilet paper, or pop tarts, if consumers can't get buy it for months or the price increases 500%, they are going to buy all they can if they find it for cheaper, and their going to call all their buddies and send them there too until production meets the new demand. Keep in mind it's not just shooters, store people are buying this stuff up as soon as it's off the truck and putting it on gunbroker.
In terms of mags/guns you can make a case it's fear/panic, but in reality we do lots of things out of fear, buy insurance, buy gun safes, carry guns, wear masks, use hand sanitizer, get flu shots, brush our teeth, eat better, exercise, drive on the right side of the road, get our wives anniversary presents
It takes YEARS before a planned increased production will produce the first bullet or primer, assuming they were able to successfully navigate the 100 obsticles to get there.
They are already running 24/7. There is no more juice to sqeeze. You dont think they want to make more money?
You have the ceo telling you the same thing but low IQ people dont want to listen, and instead just bitch and cry becuase its out of their control.
Everything is done in batches
..there is no dedicated 30-06 or 6.5prc machines. Batch runs are based on consumption data to have enough to last until the next run.
They arent going to waste valuable machine time for Newer niche callibers when they are so backed up with hunting ammo they cant make it fast enough. Hunting ammo will be made before match or niche ammo that could take years to catch up.
Brass forming the same idea. Not to mention most of that excess capacity that is sold as virgin brass, primers or bullets is getting diverted to ammo production.
The ammo market has always been a delicate ballance due to low margins. You cant have machines sitting idle but you have to be able to meet peak demand. They have over 100 years of data on the market and trends, they know more than anyone in here running their mouth.
Anomolies like this are not the time to build new plant. By the time the new plant is online and running its 3-5 years and the market will have flipped. No one is goingnto piss away tens or hundreds of millions at the risk of a plant that has no demand.
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If "anomalies" like this are not the time to build more capacity how much demand is, how many decades of demand you can't meet do you need before you increase capacity? 8 years of obama they could not keep up, and I guarantee 4 years of biden if not 8 will be the same, so in the last 16 years, 12 of those will have had demand significantly higher than industry can meet. If that's not enough demand to drive adding production, nothing ever will be, and perhaps that's why we're here yet again, and we're going to stay here.
To be clear I'm not saying you're wrong I'm not in the ammo business, but if years and years of unmet demand are not enough to warranty increased production, it seems like nothing ever will and we'll continually be stuck in this ammo shortage more often than we're not.
To be clear I'm not saying you're wrong I'm not in the ammo business, but if years and years of unmet demand are not enough to warranty increased production, it seems like nothing ever will and we'll continually be stuck in this ammo shortage more often than we're not.
Ammo shortages have never lasted more than 2 years. Just like when every machine shop became an AR manufacture durring the 08 and then sandy hook scare, plenty of new ammo companies popped up.
90% of them went out of business a year later when demand plummeted, when the market was flooded and prices were at an all time high.
You don't buy a house based on your overtime wages the same as you dont invest long term based on all time high prices. Its not sustainable.
Its pure hubris and ignorance to think YOU know more than the billion dollar companies who have been around a half of century in this industry. If they thought it would be worth it, they would. Business exist to make money.
This is a common theme for people who are new to guns or havent been paying attention. They have zero idea what they are talking about. Anyone who runs or manages a business this shit is readily apparent and needs no explanation. Its like explaining to a todler why shitting on the kitchen floor is a bad idea.
90% of them went out of business a year later when demand plummeted, when the market was flooded and prices were at an all time high.
You don't buy a house based on your overtime wages the same as you dont invest long term based on all time high prices. Its not sustainable.
Its pure hubris and ignorance to think YOU know more than the billion dollar companies who have been around a half of century in this industry. If they thought it would be worth it, they would. Business exist to make money.
This is a common theme for people who are new to guns or havent been paying attention. They have zero idea what they are talking about. Anyone who runs or manages a business this shit is readily apparent and needs no explanation. Its like explaining to a todler why shitting on the kitchen floor is a bad idea.
Seems like if you had won the lottery and could tool up and traverse the ocean of red tape on the way through this patch, then sit on the stock you’ve produced for the next 4-8 years, you could start working your way toward profitability at that point. But everyone would call you an asshole for charging current prices when everyone else is cheap. So you’re fukd x2 unless you’re Federal or Hornady size. Ask Jim how getting what you need goes when you’re not a big fish. I for one am happy there’s so many new gun owners. If you don’t have what you need by now it’s on you.
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There is a saying in the gun industry.
The way to make a million dollars is to start with 2 million.
Margins suck, its heavily regulated, demand wildly fluctuates and getting raw materials is often impossible. Oh and the ever present threat of some politician making your product illegal and putting you out of business.
Its worse than the restaurant business and look how great they are all doing.
I cant think of a worse industry to go into of the top of my head.
The way to make a million dollars is to start with 2 million.
Margins suck, its heavily regulated, demand wildly fluctuates and getting raw materials is often impossible. Oh and the ever present threat of some politician making your product illegal and putting you out of business.
Its worse than the restaurant business and look how great they are all doing.
I cant think of a worse industry to go into of the top of my head.
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I have no idea what you're typing about - perhaps you quoted the wrong post?
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