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Yeah, there's not enough valve spring resistance along some other inefficiencies with the design. With slugs, I've always found the utmost efficiency is seen with running higher air pressure.The 700 panthera is honestly no longer than your typical hunting rifle. They shoot great, but are air hogs
Definitely wouldn't add the Panthera to that list. The valve is terrible and it has some other design flaws that I won't unpack. You also have to re-zero most FX rifles with the factory liner system, so that's a deal breaker for people who expect to pick up a rifle that's been sitting in the case for a while and be certain the POI isn't an inch of two off at 50.I have been looking at these two guns as well. Just getting into PCP stuff and loving it so far. Have a AirForce Condor in .22 and a Condor SS in .25 that I just picked up. Really liking the extra oomf the .25 offers and planning on getting a barrel to make the Condor a .25 as well.
Had a question for those more knowledgeable than myself. What PCP guns would make your short list of what you would consider the most accurate/furthest shooting PCP gun? Would it be down to these two, or what else would you include on the list? Thanks in advance!
You also have to re-zero most FX rifles with the factory liner system, so that's a deal breaker for people who expect to pick up a rifle that's been sitting in the case for a while and be certain the POI isn't an inch of two off at 50.
The big problem with the Impact and other FX rifles having POI shift issues isn't just the liner system, but the other high pressure components. You'll often find that PCP components in rifles made with thin walled tubing and / or flimsy parts can move slightly over time, and those parts can affect POI. The more o-rings that rifles have, the more they seem susceptible to this problem. Last I counted, the Impacts have over 50 o-rings.I was wondering about that. I had a cheap Gauntlet for a while that would not hold zero.
I got better accuracy and more consistency from my springers than that air rifle.
Yes, I know that I was probably expecting too much from a cheap air rifle but I soon realized that the barrel was pencil thin and was inside a cheap shroud.
I was looking at the new FX M4 Sniper but also worry about the barrel/liner configuration in it.
Spending a few hundred dollars on a cheap Gauntlet then giving it away doesn't hurt as much as spending $2200 on an air rifle that won't hold zero.
Thoughts? Should I take a chance on the M4?
You can add the AGT Vulcan 3 to your list. Mine was tuned by Derrick at Tenacious Airguns, is 25 cal, holds zero well, and sends 60gr Altaros slugs at 862 fps which is 99 fpe. The G1 BC of this slug is .245 so they don't blow in the wind much compared to most other slugs. This combo in my gun is a consistent 1.1 MOA at 100Y with the net result of helping win quite a few Ultimate Field Target matches.
I just got my Corbin Swaging set up in 218. Have been working on making some 30 grain slugs and have been having a blast. And I keep having the terrible thoughts of selling or trading off my American Air Arms Paradigm rifle.
30 grains is a very good weight for .217-.218. Which nose die(s) are you using?I just got my Corbin Swaging set up in 218. Have been working on making some 30 grain slugs and have been having a blast. And I keep having the terrible thoughts of selling or trading off my American Air Arms Paradigm rifle.
Yeah the EVOL barrels are real hit or miss (like all TJs though). Dale Riggert's old style 62gn Varmint Knockers in the 8.5-9BHN alloy shoot exceptionally well from most of the 26" twist TJs that I've machined. They can also be phenomenal with 50gn JSBs, but I've never really been able to get them shooting small slugs as well (under ~54gn). I have a 1.5 and a 2 degree live piloted throat reamer made for .297/.294 and tried about every depth possible to get the lighter .30 NSAs shooting right, but the twist rate isn't ideal for lighter / stubbier slugs. The older 42 twist TJs were the polar opposite.I was sponsored with a AAA EVOL in 30 and it wasn't exceptionally precise, also no way I was going to win with it, so I returned it to the owner. Would I rather have my V3 and Uragan King? Yes. I'm not sponsored or associated with AGT at all either.
@Appalachian Lead Head has an MCAR that he's testing out right now for ELR shooting. It's a heavy rifle, but I think it's showing promise (in .45 at least).Maybe in the next year I'll find a Bigbore I'm interested in. I haven't had one since my 909 Career of 20 years ago which was a 2.5" gun at 50Y.
I'd really prefer a higher BC slug of .4 -.5 in 30 to 375 caliber at 1000-ish fps and a gun very robustly built. That Bintac MCAR is interesting to me. Maybe put a Krieger or Bartlein on it??
Minute of kitty at 300y is not bad! My old go-to target shooting spot in WA state had about 4000y in the fall/winter time, and I just wish I had 1/8th that range here in WV to find that "boring" range with these steel tipped 365gn and the 290gn in .457. The G7 for those 365's is .219. The furthest I've shot both of them was 318y, and the wind drift was about identical (next to nothing at ~8-10mph). I think those steel tips can be swaged into small bore down to .220 or maybe a hair over. They're outstanding for maximizing BC in any caliber though!Yesterday I hit a kitty cat sized and shaped steel 8 times in a row at 300Y with the V3/60gr Altaros slugs. Man it got boring even with a 1.5 mil holdoff so I put the gun in the truck and got out the Steyr ProX to play with at normal distances instead. Only went out to 125Y using 18gr pellets with it but got reacquainted with how fun a gun it is to shoot.
Yep that's themFound this from you.
Steel Tip RBT .457 Ammo (G7 BC 0.219)
Ever see an airgun slug with a 0.428 G1 / 0.219 G7 BC?.. Well now you have! And they shoot lights out from my stock AirForce Texan LSS .457 with the 30" twist bore and TX2 valve 😎 I've had the LSS for about a year now. I took a hefty 8pt whitetail deer with it last hunting season shooting...www.snipershide.com
Wow that G7 of .219 converted to G1 is about .509! I think in G1 so I have to convert to understand the difference. Twice the BC of the Altaros 60gr.
Those bullets, providing they shoot well in a gun, would be cool to have. Do you have the link?
Yeah I thought years ago you must have lived in the northwest somewhere but okay you moved off to WV.
I used to play around with a 300BO bolt gun using 220's and such at around 1050 fps but for whatever reason I couldn't nail down great precision past 300Y or so. Never figured it out either so I sold it all. Supposedly it had a 7 twist so should have worked fine. Also didn't get the SD down enough.
My friends shoot black powder Sharps rifles with 535gr 45cal cast bullets and they get 6" groups at 500 meters with their rifles in ideal conditions.