FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

[Hawk Gunner]

Just wanted to let those who are MIL/LE that "NEED" mags know that Magpul has stepped up and started a program to help us get mags right now. Right now there is only M3 non windowed and LR20 mags being offered on the site. Here is how to do it.


Thank you for contacting us. During this period of high demand, we at Magpul are taking steps to ensure that Military and Law Enforcement professionals that use our products in their job-related activities can still obtain the magazines they need for on-duty use. To meet this need, we have set up a process for Mil/LE purchase of up to ten PMAGs per account from our website.

In order to participate in this program, go to: http://store.magpul.com/member_register.
- Create your login account and click the “Register” button to submit.
- Once you receive a Membership Confirmation e-mail from [email protected] forward it (FW: ) along with your name and unit or agency affiliation to [email protected]. Please respond using an official .mil or agency e-mail address, or provide other official identification to verify Military or LE status.
- If you already have a login account at Magpul.com, please just send an e-mail to [email protected] with your name, unit or agency affiliation as outlined above, and the e-mail address you used to sign up for the account.

Once we verify your status (this process can take up to a few days) you will be added to an authorized MIL/LE group, which will allow a one-time purchase from a limited access section of our website. You will then receive a notification e-mail stating that you have been added to this group, and instructions for placing your order will be included.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Then you'll get this: </span>

You have been successfully added to the professional magazine purchase group for Mil/LE users.

To make a purchase, please go to: http://store.magpul.com/member_login and login. Next, click on Products and then choose the now visible “PMAG MAGAZINES – Mil/LE Purchase” category to view a selection of magazines we have made available under this program. From there, select quantities (up to ten), add to cart, and complete your purchase as normal. Under “PROMO CODE” at checkout, you may enter “unfairadvantage” for our 10% off Mil/LE discount. Please be aware that due to the incredibly high demand at this time, the system only allows a one-time purchase of magazines under this program.

Note that we cannot ship magazines to residential addresses in California, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, or Massachusetts, but we can ship directly to your post or department (a separate Ship To address can be added during checkout).

Please allow up to 10 business days for us to process this order.

 

[Tacsnipe73]

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Thanks, I'm on it....

 

[021411]

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I got approved last week and can make my order at any time but still haven't pulled the trigger on them yet. I'm letting other folks in true need for duty mags to get in front of me. It's only a one time purchase deal. Kudos to Magpul for looking out for us MIL/LE guys. It's the least they could do right now to keep us supplied to fight the good fight at home or on foreign soil.

I know a lot of guys recently purchased work ARs and they have literally ONE mag to use. Not a good thing if it's for patrol. This should help out a bit without the elevated $25+ per mag pricing.

 

[Nutro]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 021411</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got approved last week and can make my order at any time but still haven't pulled the trigger on them yet. I'm letting other folks in true need for duty mags to get in front of me. It's only a one time purchase deal. Kudos to Magpul for looking out for us MIL/LE guys. It's the least they could do right now to keep us supplied to fight the good fight at home or on foreign soil.

I know a lot of guys recently purchased work ARs and they have literally ONE mag to use. Not a good thing if it's for patrol. This should help out a bit without the elevated $25+ per mag pricing.

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Do you know if this covers retired Mil as well? My father is retired Military and we cannot even get one 308 PMAG at all without paying through the teeth for it.

 

[Hawk Gunner]

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Exactly. I'm good on mags for stateside use. And waiting on the 25rnd lr mags for my purchase.

I sold all my mags from deployment to some guys at the SO that we're at the gun show trying to scrounge up some mags for new rock rivers. I wish the AR guys would do like glock and sell ya a combat load of magazines

 

[Hawk Gunner]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

I'm pretty sure it's just for active LE and mil. It's intended so those needing them for work can get then somewhat quickly and affordable. But standby for pm ill sell you a mag at cost.

 

[021411]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

I believe it's active duty only.

 

[Greenwood187]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

good for magpul

 

[len0475]

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Active Duty as in holding a current CAC card? I don't own an AR15 (I own an MWS) but would like to secure some PMAGs for my M4 before things get crazier.

 

[Hawk Gunner]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Yes you have to have a CAC card, .mil address, or Dept Creditials to register. I'm withholding my order to allow those needier than me first dibs on available stuff. I just wanted to get the word out to my fellow shooters in need.

 

[Bigalfromfl]

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Thanks for the heads up! Appreciate it!

 

[b390r700]

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Damn good find. I'm good on mags but this should help a lot of people out.

 

[thejeep]

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I can not whole heartedly agree with the good "for magpul" comments.
1st let me say that i greatly appreciate the work done by LE/MIL personnel.
2nd acknowledging #1 the next comments are purely philosophical.

The magazine crisis stems directly from actions of the nations law makers ie the bosses of the LE. I'm talking the L in LE.
I know that in actuality the LE officers on the streets are just the messengers, but your bosses are out of line, and thus you should be in the back of the line.

MIL serving outside of US soil front of the line.

MIL serving inside us boundaries back of the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEHMZZdSjCg

 

[Jaytrigger]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thejeep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can not whole heartedly agree with the good "for magpul" comments.
1st let me say that i greatly appreciate the work done by LE/MIL personnel.
2nd acknowledging #1 the next comments are purely philosophical.

The magazine crisis stems directly from actions of the nations law makers ie the bosses of the LE. I'm talking the L in LE.
I know that in actuality the LE officers on the streets are just the messengers, but your bosses are out of line, and thus you should be in the back of the line.

MIL serving outside of US soil front of the line.

MIL serving inside us boundaries back of the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEHMZZdSjCg </div></div>
BUT PRAISE THEM WHEN THEY COME HELP YOU!
SCREW THEM IF THEY DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH YOU.

Really guy?

 

[HBAM1]

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Thats awesome!
Magpul has really stepped up on this one.
Kudos.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Thanks for the support (sarcastically spoken) but this isn't the thread for that. If you want to bitch about it start your own thread. This thread shouldn't be another "Mark Larue is a great guy" thread. Nobody said you had to agree with it, it was posted so Mil/LE had a heads up.

And just so you know I have a chief of police who is my boss, the politicians aren't my boss and never have been. If you think most law enforcement officers will actually enforce these ridiculous laws being discussed it just goes to show how much you know about anyone in the law enforcement community. I'm tired of this stupid shit people keep posting, like it's directly officers that are apart of this whole law MAKING ordeal.

I'm telling you and anyone else so listen up. I DO NOT condone a police state and will quit working as an officer if I'm forced to actually and physically Violate someones rights, but you are also either for me or against me. Just like our soldiers, people might not like we are in a war but that's no reason to not support our troops, same goes for our Law Enforcement guys at home. Figure out where you stand.

 

[HBAM1]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the support (sarcastically spoken) but this isn't the thread for that. If you want to bitch about it start your own thread. This thread shouldn't be another "Mark Larue is a great guy" thread. Nobody said you had to agree with it, it was posted so Mil/LE had a heads up.

And just so you know I have a chief of police who is my boss, that politicians aren't my boss dnd never have been. If you think most law enforcement officers will actually enforce these ridiculous laws being discussed it just goes to show how much you know about anyone in the law enforcement community. I'm tired of this stupid shit people keep posting, like it's directly officers that are apart of this whole law MAKING ordeal.

I'm telling you and anyone else so listen up. I DO NOT condone a police state and will quit working as an officer if I'm forced to actually and physically Violate someones rights, but you are also either for me or against me. Just like our soldiers, people might not like we are in a war but that's no reason to not support our troops, same goes for our Law Enforcement guys at home. Figure out where you stand. </div></div>

well said. 100% agree.

 

[Raptorx]

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I'm glad that Magpul has this program Mil/LE should have priority IF THEY NEED them. However there is a flip side to this. The laws that could come down from this mess are probably not going to effect the law enforcement community and definitly not the military. So those who will probably never be affected by the possible banning of 30rnd mags are going to get theirs first while civilians who may soon not be allowed to have them go to the back of the line. My other thought is, is there really any MIL/LE out there that are not already supplied with the mags they need? I'm not out there panic buying so it matters little to me either way. For almost 15years I only owned 1 AR and I had 1 10rnd mag and 1 30rnd mag. I never felt I needed more then that and shot my gun plenty. People are just being greedy right now and honestly I hope it bites them in the ass and they stuck with a bunch of mags they paid through the nose for. If you didn't need a bunch of mags before this you don't need them now.

 

[Hawk Gunner]

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I will say this. I have several LE buddies that have recently received or yet to receive AR's for duty use that only came with 1 mag. I'm not saying they need 7-10 mags but definitely should be able to do a tactical reload if faced with having to use that in the line of duty. So yes they need mags and I'm glad they can get some now as they have had backorders like me going back to DEC with no product yet.

When I deployed we were given the same beat up mags that we used earlier in the year for qualification that had lots of feeding issues. Our supply people would not allocate funds for Pmag purchases at the Battalion level so we individually purchased our own so we had reliable mags.

When I became a LEO in 1996 we had to have letterhead from the chief detailing EXACTLY what we were able to purchase. If you happen to have a dick for a boss then you were not able to purchase anything. Military was under the same issue. It's not like we had a blank check and could by anything we wanted just because we had a mil or LE ID. So a ban will definitely affect us in the LE and MIL field the same as you. Yes we can possibly still get items after a ban but it's at the discretion of those above you WHAT you will be granted to purchase via letterhead.

 

[thejeep]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JayTrigger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thejeep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can not whole heartedly agree with the good "for magpul" comments.
1st let me say that i greatly appreciate the work done by LE/MIL personnel.
2nd acknowledging #1 the next comments are purely philosophical.

The magazine crisis stems directly from actions of the nations law makers ie the bosses of the LE. I'm talking the L in LE.
I know that in actuality the LE officers on the streets are just the messengers, but your bosses are out of line, and thus you should be in the back of the line.

MIL serving outside of US soil front of the line.

MIL serving inside us boundaries back of the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEHMZZdSjCg </div></div>
BUT PRAISE THEM WHEN THEY COME HELP YOU!
SCREW THEM IF THEY DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH YOU.

Really guy? </div></div>

Didn't mean to come off the wrong way and never said screw anyone, actually said I was appreciative.

However you said praise them when they come to save you. Well IF they did come to save me and NEEDED 30rd mags to do so, THEN myself or who ever called them would have REALLY NEEDED 30rd mags BEFORE they arrived. Hence BACK of the line.

 

[021411]

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Another tid bit of info many don't hear about is many depts DO NOT issue duty weapons. It comes out of our pockets and "we" as in LE professionals use the same stores everyone else does. We don't get bumped in front of everyone else or get "first dibs". We have to wait in line just like the next guy and trust me, I use the email notifications. It's good to see Magpul helping us out because mags are essential to the job and obviously function. Last I remember most ARs only come with 1 mag so every bit helps.
I know Magpul will get heat for it but these are the times..

 

[021411]

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I know the argument is everyone should be on equal ground. Well the problem is that we have a job to perform. Well you might say you have a job to perform as well on the home front to protect your loved ones. That's fair but we are mobile and protect many home fronts that don't have the means to. We have no option to pick and choose.

 

[shaman]

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Gonna have to say good job, but the LEOs will be able to get them long after the civies will. The Sheriff's and Police were consulted for changes after the NY ban was put into effect. They are now exempted, meaning that they can get them, and civies can't. I understand that LEOs may have to pay for it, but you will still have the free pass to get access to them.

 

[dbateman]

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Let this be a lesson to use all stock up, have spares.

 

[country888]

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My department issues us two 20 round mags. I remember a incident few years back when a couple of our guys had to use their AR's, they shot both mags and was left holding their crank in their hand. Couple officers were killed. Having a few extra mags would be very nice to have when you need them. Thank you MAGPUL!!

 

[Cobracutter]

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Put in a order for 10 LR308 mags the other day. Came out for 194 shipped with the discount. Hell of a deal if u can swing it.

I'm trying to recruit all my coworkers to do the same thing....

They could easily sell them for 5-600 and make a quick 400 bucks.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thejeep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can not whole heartedly agree with the good "for magpul" comments.
1st let me say that i greatly appreciate the work done by LE/MIL personnel.
2nd acknowledging #1 the next comments are purely philosophical.

The magazine crisis stems directly from actions of the nations law makers ie the bosses of the LE. I'm talking the L in LE.
I know that in actuality the LE officers on the streets are just the messengers, but your bosses are out of line, and thus you should be in the back of the line.

MIL serving outside of US soil front of the line.

MIL serving inside us boundaries back of the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEHMZZdSjCg </div></div>

Anyone who NEEDS mags has them or will get them(Pay). Magpul is just trying to look good to LE.

Don't get me wrong, I'm going to order them because I want them, But to think that this act is saving lives or some shit is just silly.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the support (sarcastically spoken) but this isn't the thread for that. If you want to bitch about it start your own thread. This thread shouldn't be another "Mark Larue is a great guy" thread. Nobody said you had to agree with it, it was posted so Mil/LE had a heads up.

And just so you know I have a chief of police who is my boss, the politicians aren't my boss and never have been. If you think most law enforcement officers will actually enforce these ridiculous laws being discussed it just goes to show how much you know about anyone in the law enforcement community. I'm tired of this stupid shit people keep posting, like it's directly officers that are apart of this whole law MAKING ordeal.

I'm telling you and anyone else so listen up. I DO NOT condone a police state and will quit working as an officer if I'm forced to actually and physically Violate someones rights, but you are also either for me or against me. Just like our soldiers, people might not like we are in a war but that's no reason to not support our troops, same goes for our Law Enforcement guys at home. Figure out where you stand. </div></div>

That all sounds good in theory. You do work for Politicians, same as I do, indirectly. Their policies and decisions drive what we do.

I find it laughable all the MIL and LE who say they will just quit when it gets bad. If history is any indicator, they won't. They are going to follow the people that pay them and feed them. Give a starving cop or soldier the choice of dying or doing something morally questionable, 99 times out of 100 he will chose life, security and all that other shit that BFranklin warned us about.

These are the things people need to think about. Are you willing to shoot your coworkers if they try to stop you(you don't think they are going to let you just ... walk away)?. There are 10 other idiots who will happily take your place to Are you willing to die to preserve freedom and the ideas of the consitituion?

At the end of the way we are the will of the politicians. The armed branch of politicians to force the masses to comply. What and where the line is drawn, if it ever will be, is another disscusion.

Sorry to crap in the thread....

 

[021411]

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You know I've thought long and hard about the issue about being forced to gun grab. Would I do it? Hell no. Would I quit? Honestly no. I'm sorry but our LE job market here is saturated with many already looking for a gig. I'd be stupid to quit. I have a good paying job and the money comes in like clockwork. I have bills to pay and one mouth to feed (me).

Now with that said, I belong to one of the largest police unions in the nation and I'm pretty sure they'll back us up when it comes to being forced to grab. We're not going to do it.

 

[bhoges]

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No your wrong, in NY we aren't exempt from the law. I laugh and joke with the guys at work if I want a easy collar ill take one of them in for high capacity magazines. They never thought this law out and just rushed it though. NY is turning into a communist state. Im so looking forward to my retirement out West.

 

[TRP173]

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The only thing I don't understand is why the hell does the Military or Leo's have to buy their own magazines.

 

[tomahawk84]

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Thank you for the post I signed up and will be ordering my mags.

 

[Pusher591]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CobraCutter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm trying to recruit all my coworkers to do the same thing....

They could easily sell them for 5-600 and make a quick 400 bucks.

</div></div>

Are you serious? That's not what this is for, Magpul is trying to do something for us and you want to make money instead. If you decide to do that I hope what ever "profit" you make, you see twice the cost of it.

And to reply to your comment below the one above, yes my co workers know exactly where I stand when it comes to violating someones rights. They also know where I stand when it comes to seizing weapons illegally. My wife and family know as well, and they also know I will do what's right and what's right may not be the best thing at the time for us but that's where OUR faith comes in. I won't get into that because we aren't suppose to but God will guide my eye and hand if the need arises. Your comments above and your comments in your other post leads me to believe you are probably one of the 99 you speak of.

 

[Pusher591]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TRP173</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing I don't understand is why the hell does the Military or Leo's have to buy their own magazines. </div></div>

Politics. At least from what I've seen most "brass" or upper echelon types either never did or forgot what it like on the road. They work behind a desk and work bankers hours. They see numbers or cost and not necessity. Some departments (mine included) are very political and some things take an arm or leg to get done. Also if your equipment officer is not fond of you, guess what, you get nada. It's not right but a Police Department runs the way anything else does. I purchase alot of my own equipment just because I want what works for me not what someone behind a desk thinks works for me.

 

[BELLYCRAWL]

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First, I believe every citizen, if they choose, should be armed just as well or better than police. However, my real concern is that if Magpul is allowing officers to buy magazines, that officers are not buying to re-sell. This is a serious ethical problem which is why my first point is so important. LEO, please take advantage of Magpul's generosity, even buy a few extra for spares in the case you damage or need a replacement in a pinch. Please don't buy and re-sell as that is clearly against Magpul's stated intentions.

As to LEO buying their own equipment, every department is different. When I was a LEO, some things were well provided and some not. Many officers had to furnish their own long guns and related equipment, within dept. policies. Thanks to Magpul for helping out.

BC

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bellycrawl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First, I believe every citizen, if they choose, should be armed just as well or better than police. However, my real concern is that if Magpul is allowing officers to buy magazines, that officers are not buying to re-sell. This is a serious ethical problem which is why my first point is so important. LEO, please take advantage of Magpul's generosity, even buy a few extra for spares in the case you damage or need a replacement in a pinch. Please don't buy and re-sell as that is clearly against Magpul's stated intentions.

As to LEO buying their own equipment, every department is different. When I was a LEO, some things were well provided and some not. Many officers had to furnish their own long guns and related equipment, within dept. policies. Thanks to Magpul for helping out.

BC

</div></div>

I agree with you. There is no one in the Mil and espcialy LE who NEEEDS Pmags. USGI work perfectly fine, and there are 10's of millions of them out there. This is a marketing ploy by magpul to look good to those communities.

If magpul is going to give preferential treatment to cops and le, I will take advantage of it, turn a profit, and buy more mags in the long run.

Blame them for the policies, not people taking advantage of an opertunity.

 

[Pusher591]

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Cobra Cutter,

In regards to the buying and re-selling, just because you can doesnt mean you should or make it ethically right. If you are a police officer you are making comments that make you sound like one of those officers that make the rest of us look bad.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cobra Cutter,

In regards yo the buying and re-selling, just because you can doesnt mean you should or make it ethically right. If you are a police officer you are making comments that make you sound like one of those officers that make the rest of us look bad. </div></div>

I never said I was a LEO. And who are you to decide what is "ethically right"? Its called capitalism, you know, the foundation this countries' economy is based on......
I swear some of you eat these BS lines and rhetoric up worse than the libs. Buy or don't buy, makes no difference to me. That's whats great about freedom, making you happy is not of my concern.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

I don't determine what is or is not ethically right. The term ethical or ethics has done that by itself by it's own definition.

Ethics: also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct. (1) Ethics is a set of concepts and principles that help guide us and help us determine what is right and wrong.

Now that we've defined that, let's look at this through your eyes. Magpul is allowing ONE TIME purchase of ten mags at regular retail cost FROM THE FACTORY. Mind you this is not a retail store that has purchased from Magpul with intent to make a profit. Face value, Magpul's intent as stated is to allow Mil or LE to purchase for WORK or TRAINING use.

As indicated above you think there is nothing wrong with officers or military personnel buying these mags and re-selling them for a profit, and you call that Capitilism. Answer me this, if you sign up for the Mil/LE discount you are agreeing that you need then for work or training purposes, correct? But if you agree to that but have other intentions, such as selling them to turn a profit then would that not be considered deceitful?

Deceitful: the intention to mislead or deceive.

Another hole in your theory about capitalism is, to be a true (honest) capitalist your intention from the get go would be to do it without deceiving, correct? What about all the dealers like here on SnipersHide that have an agreement, whether verbal or written with Magpul to sell there product based on a contract to allow both business's to flurish.

Again, the last point I'll make is, you stated you don't think Magpul's intentions are for the good with this program. If that's the case, do you have anything to back that claim up, or are you just purely and IGNORANTLY running your mouth?

IMHO you and your ethics SUCK and your mother and father raised a piss poor example of a man. I pray that you do not serve in the US Military or for a Law Endorcement Agency, I have a strong suspicion you will end up making this country look very bad in the near future if you continue to rationalize things the way you do.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't determine what is or is not ethically right. The term ethical or ethics has done that by itself by it's own definition.

Ethics: also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct. (1) Ethics is a set of concepts and principles that help guide us and help us determine what is right and wrong.

Now that we've defined that, let's look at this through your eyes. Magpul is allowing ONE TIME purchase of ten mags at regular retail cost FROM THE FACTORY. Mind you this is not a retail store that has purchased from Magpul with intent to make a profit. Face value, Magpul's intent as stated is to allow Mil or LE to purchase for WORK or TRAINING use.

As indicated above you think there is nothing wrong with officers or military personnel buying these mags and re-selling them for a profit, and you call that Capitilism. Answer me this, if you sign up for the Mil/LE discount you are agreeing that you need then for work or training purposes, correct? But if you agree to that but have other intentions, such as selling them to turn a profit then would that not be considered deceitful?

Deceitful: the intention to mislead or deceive.

Another hole in your theory about capitalism is, to be a true (honest) capitalist your intention from the get go would be to do it without deceiving, correct? What about all the dealers like here on SnipersHide that have an agreement, whether verbal or written with Magpul to sell there product based on a contract to allow both business's to flurish.

Again, the last point I'll make is, you stated you don't think Magpul's intentions are for the good with this program. If that's the case, do you have anything to back that claim up, or are you just purely and IGNORANTLY running your mouth?

IMHO you and your ethics SUCK and your mother and father raised a piss poor example of a man. I pray that you do not serve in the US Military or for a Law Endorcement Agency, I have a strong suspicion you will end up making this country look very bad in the near future if you continue to rationalize things the way you do. </div></div>

1. I appreciate you abillty to copy/paste from wikipedia.

2. Magpul is selling the mags at retail price. There are making MORE than if they sold to a distributor or retail store. If they were so concerned with the LE/MIL, then they would sell them at wholesale cost or closer to their cost. You are delusional if you do not realized this is a purely BUSINESS decision. They recouped their mold/R&D costs a long time ago, how much you think it costs to make a pmag. Factor in overhead and all the over the top advertising, and they are still making a killing. I am not faulting them for this, but don't get it twisted that they are somehow doing this out of the kindness of their little hearts.

3. What I do with my product after I pay for it , is my business. I have no contractual obligation to the company. Please show me the section that I would agree to only use the products for training/work, Not that would even matter.

4. "Deception" is a part (not all) of business. Go read a book and learn how Disney bought the land that now is Disney World. You think they walked into the real estate office and said, hey were a multibillion dollar entity, how much for your chunk of swamp? Feel free to sign up at your local community college and take some business courses. Your naive to think differently.

5. Show me one Military unit that doesn't have mags out the ass. Every single unit I have ever been in, even the most pogue, jacked up units never seemed to have a problem with obtaining Class IX. There were so many mags, that we gave them away to other units/services because we didn't want to store the shit. As to LEO, They should get nothing more than what the citizreny of this country get. They can wait in line like everyone else.

6. Thanks for the kind words. I wish we could all be as upstanding as you on your moral high ground. Its nice that you know how my parents raised me and my service to this country. I would be more than happy to compare DD214's and service to this country if you are so inclined. You continue to talk out of your ass, and make ASSumtions about what you do not know. If your "suspicion" is anything like your reasoning skills, I don't think I have much to worry about.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Thank you, I try to be moral as possible and if I can help anybody else to do the same I will. That's the oath I took and I'll up hold it to the best of my ability. if you choose to be immoral, that's fine, that's on you though. All you've done is prove my point.

You call me delusional but you still cannot say with 100% certainity or can provide any evidence of your claims.

Also, I'm pretty business savvy myself I just choose to make my decisions based on what I think is right or wrong. I've yet for anything to go wrong for me so far. I was taught treat everyone as you would like to be treated. I think that applies to business as well. If someone can trust you and you can trust them do you think there's a liklihood you would be more profitable in the end.

You are right, you can do whatever you like with your mags but you still can't deny you are deceiving Magpul if your intentions is to sell them for profit. It just sucks for decent people who try to do the right thing and everyone gets punished because Magpul sees ASSHAT comments like you've made and decide to pull the program. Again, you are a sorry excuse for a man and American citizen. Please respond to this because every post you make just proves my point of why your such an asshole and why you should be ashamed to wear a uniform. (if you do)

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Conversing with you like like talking to a wall. Nothing seems to get through.

My challenge stands... Want to compare who has done more service for their country......any time.

You sound like a little internet tough guy who talks shit behind a computer in his mommy's basement. Go outside, get some air. Maybe your mom will make a sandwich for you after play time.



I'm done here. Sorry to crap in the thread OP.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Cobra Cutter,

If you are Military and you know I'm a Police Officer you took a similar oath I did. You know that we are held to a higher moral standard then anyone else so why give anyone a reason to assume where you stand morally, no matter how big or small. If you are willing to deceive Magpul for your benefit what else are you willing to do? The same goes for Police officers.

It's a slippery slope and your boots are caked with mud.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cobra Cutter,

If you are Military and you know I'm a Police Officer you took a similar oath I did. You know that we are held to a higher moral standard then anyone else so why give anyone a reason to assume where you stand morally, no matter how big or small. If you are willing to deceive Magpul for your benefit what else are you willing to do? The same goes for Police officers.

It's a slippery slope and your boots are caked with mud. </div></div>

Please tell me where I took a oath to have a higher moral standard than anyone else. What is morality, who decides it? Its a loaded question beacuse it is different to everyone. You are under the assumption that everyone should play by your rules or your definition of morality. That is just silly.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Now what part of that says I am promising to be be morally superior to "anyone else". Your statements leak like a $3 whore.

I will live my life as I see fit. I have never broken my oath, in fact, I exceed it daily. I would happily give my life so you can express your shitty opinion, because that is my morality.

You should stop and think about what you are actually saying. MP makes mags available to LE/MIL. Great. What part of they are making MORE money than if they sold to a dist, don't you understand? Do what you want, but don't expect others to buy into your bullshit about the how the world should be run. You are just as bad as the liberals trying to force your choices on others.

 

[Pusher591]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Nevermind, you'll never understand. If your parents didn't teach you any better then I doubt anyone else will be able to.

 

[Cobracutter]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Looks like the Bill just passed. Get your mags while you can.

 

[021411]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

With all this back and forth bickering I feel like joining one of them sovereign nation groups with the this is my god given right to travel down this road and need no forms of ID other than this sheet of paper with my thumb print on it.

 

[TRP173]

Re: FYI MIL/LE can buy 10 Pmags directly from Magpul!

Sad state of affairs pretty much like everything else in the new USA. It's not enough that you guys have to deal with the scum of the earth every day but without the proper equipment.

I got back from Nam in 68 and was sent to Bragg and for the first time I saw 30 round mags.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pusher591</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TRP173</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing I don't understand is why the hell does the Military or Leo's have to buy their own magazines. </div></div>

Politics. At least from what I've seen most "brass" or upper echelon types either never did or forgot what it like on the road. They work behind a desk and work bankers hours. They see numbers or cost and not necessity. Some departments (mine included) are very political and some things take an arm or leg to get done. Also if your equipment officer is not fond of you, guess what, you get nada. It's not right but a Police Department runs the way anything else does. I purchase alot of my own equipment just because I want what works for me not what someone behind a desk thinks works for me. </div></div>

 

[LtDan]

Ordered Tuesday at 8:36 am
Shipping confirmation Wednesday at 9:01 pm

Well done Magpul!

 

[tomahawk84]

Mine shipped. Thanks again for the post and i think all of the controversy over this is terrible. I am active duty and appreciate companies support mil and LE to help secure the country.

For all the cop and mil haters out there go to oathkeepers.com maybe it will give you some hope.