FYI SIG Cross recall.

Finally an update from Sig. Just got an email

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Hi,

Guys, I would not recommend shooting your Cross after Sig has contacted you with recall instructions.

Not because you may or may not have any problems but from a pure legal aspect of the situation.

IF and we all hope it doesn't happen, but IF something happens and someone else gets injured YOU are responsible because Sig has already told you not to shoot it. While Sig has a specific insurance policy to cover their end it will not cover your end.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
I get the CYA part of it. Speaking of, silly me I meant to say my 700 not my cross. Whoops.
But, I've dry fired my cross probably a million times and never once had an issue. Lots of stories out there on the cross in question, which should be taken with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't want the recall to keep someone from getting the rifle if they like it, just because 1 had an issue. Although it looks like another member on the other cross thread had an issue as well. Just ready to put the whole recall behind us.
 
Been telling people for 20 years to stay away from sig and even argued with a bunch of jokers here why US made sigs are garbage yet idiots still line up to buy then and defend them.

Every fucking gun they come out with is jacked up.....and they use customers as beta testers while charging premium prices.

And over and over the idiots fall for the same sceme.

At this point, they deserve to own shitty guns.
 
Hi,

It makes no business and insurance sense for Sig to issue such a recall IF they were not able to replicate the problem. They do not recall for singular instances that cannot be replicated. That is just bad for business and insurance premiums that are already high get higher.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
First rule of buying a Sig.....

If it was not built in CHE, Germany or West Germany.....its a piece of shit and stay away.

Some People are just now learning what we have known for decades.

Many will not.

Luckily for SigUSA and other trash gun manufactures, there is no shortage of dumbies to line up and buy their substandard overpriced crap. Kel tec makes better guns at a fraction of the cost.
 
They even said in their recall issue that it was an online video and they replicated the problem with that particular gun. That’s enough for them to issue the recall. Business wise, it just extends their payout on what it took to develop/market/build the rifles. Insurance wise it just covers their ass like you said and turns the liability on the user, not the manufacturer.
 
First rule of buying a Sig.....

If it was not built in CHE, Germany or West Germany.....its a piece of shit and stay away.

Some People are just now learning what we have known for decades.

Many will not.

Luckily for SigUSA and other trash gun manufactures, there is no shortage of dumbies to line up and buy their substandard overpriced crap. Kel tec makes better guns at a fraction of the cost.
That’s just like, your opinion man
 
We have a bunch of Q fix rifles. They all work the way we want them to. Build quality is very high, and accuracy is superb.

We did have an issue where they don’t shoot well until about 80 rounds are fired and you have cleaned it a few times - then it settles right in. I suspect a lot of folks with shit groups didn’t give it any time hardly.

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Anyone heard back from sig? I wanted something similar to the fix but considering its garbage and Kevin is a complete douche I just couldn't do it. Then the rifle comes out that he ripped off and turns out its not looking so well either lol. Hoping they "fix" the issue soon but haven't heard of anyone getting their gun into them and anyone getting it back.
 
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Can't say I'm shocked. Every Sig rifle I own has been back for build issues or been recalled. I finally just stopped.

That said I wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend their US-built classic line pistols or post-recall P320s. No issues with any of that.
 
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Can't say I'm shocked. Every Sig rifle I own has been back for build issues or been recalled. I finally just stopped.

That said I wouldn't hesitate to buy or recommend their US-built classic line pistols or post-recall P320s. No issues with any of that.
Only Sig I would consider would be Swiss or German built. Sig USA has such a poor track record at this point I couldn’t care less what they offer.
 
Can't blame ya. Most of what I have is German too - I have very very few made in the last decade.

When I went for something like an MPX I passed and got a Stribog and a CMMG Banshee instead. Although to be fair the Stribog needed new followers and the Banshee needed a new trigger group...at least they didn't have to go back!
 
We have to send the rifle in for a week, its really a non issue guys. If you can't survive a week of waiting should you really be messing around with any new rifle?
 
long story short i have had a few sports cars over the years

one was kind of special/rare when it came out (2014 if i rmember)

the ipad/radio fucking sucked, i actually used to punch it while in traffic

my daughter would laugh at me

they did their testing etc, but they only make about 1000 cars a year as a whole

there is only so much testing you can do or budget for before a new part is cheaper to install

by the way then never got it corrected ... 2 replacements (3 total)

Lotus?

LOLOLOL
 
When it comes to Sig USA, you wait a year and a half before you buy something. The first year is to make sure there isn't an issue, the six months after is to make sure they didn't make a Gen2.
By then they discontinue it and on to the next thing you get to Beta test.

The fact people buy this shit makes my head hurt. Its literal insanity.

The reason Sig does this is morons keep buying their junk. STOP BUYING JUNK.
 
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The reason Sig does this is morons keep buying their junk. STOP BUYING JUNK.

Exactly this! The only way to win with Sig is not to play! It's hard to blame Sig for doing what they do when people line up to buy it and defend it. I learned it the hard way with the MPX when it came out. Sig is good at one thing, and one thing only Marketing.

I don't think you'll see Sig declare Gen #'s ever again, not after all the blowback they've taken with the MPX, they now just very quietly change lots of things without telling anyone. I've seen at least 4 different feed ramp cuts on MPX "Gen 2" guns and people wonder why some Gen 2's run with Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags, Gen 2 mags only, or with neither. They will simply call it "continuous improvement". It's genius because now you can't even track how obsolete your Sig is until you have an issue and the replacement parts don't fit, or you can't even get them anymore.

Play the long game, wait 5 years and if the product still exists buy in......okay you might get lucky if it's something boring like the 365 or P210. For an expandable platform though, forget about it!. Parts for the MPX/MCX are simply priced for the stupid. $500 stripped upper, $600 barrel, $400 bolt/carrier, $70 plastic mags. It's not even about being poor it's the stupidity of paying Bartlein/JP prices for Sig OEM crap.
 
They rush stuff to market without testing stuff properly. Not the first time.

It's pretty clear that their problem is not a lack of "testing", or insufficient "QC", or any of the other jargon that people like to toss around. SIG clearly has a systemic lack of effective design controls, and from their recent track record of consistently releasing shit to the marketplace, their business practices are ultimately to blame.

That being said, I've got a Cross because there are so few other choices for lightweight hunting rifles not based on the R700 architecture, and none of them are particularly spectacular (there are plenty of complaints to be found about Q and Christensen).
 
brazz04 - wait a week? It's been 2+ months now we can't use our rifles. Meanwhile....SIG just finished up their $$$$$$$$$ contract with the government. They should make a better effort to take care of their customers. I seriously doubt I'll buy a Sig again now. Just too many other good options out there.
 
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I've got a Cross because there are so few other choices for lightweight hunting rifles not based on the R700 architecture, and none of them are particularly spectacular (there are plenty of complaints to be found about Q and Christensen).






And that's just a few, there are at least a dozen and a half Kimber rifles with controlled round feeding that don't even reach 7 lbs bare.

Hell, a new Model 70 Featherweight is 7 lbs bare (1/2 lb more than a Cross), and that's with 6 more inches of barrel length than the Cross.
 
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WOW, I called Sig Sauer today to get an update on the Cross recall and had a BAD EXPERIENCE! I filled out the recall info (entered my serial # and contact info) and this was last week of November 2020. It's been over 2 months with NO info from Sig Sauer at all. So, I decided to call today and spoke to a "customer service rep" who was completely unprofessional and had an attitude. Basically couldn't tell me any info when I asked questions like "have they figured out the problem yet"?, etc....I wasn't expecting a piss poor attitude. Sig Sauer, I will never, ever buy another product from you again. I'm done and gonna just sell my Cross and never look back. There's plenty of great companies out there to take my hard earned money.
 
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WOW, I called Sig Sauer today to get an update on the Cross recall and had a BAD EXPERIENCE! I filled out the recall info (entered my serial # and contact info) and this was last week of November 2020. It's been over 2 months with NO info from Sig Sauer at all. So, I decided to call today and spoke to a "customer service rep" who was completely unprofessional and had an attitude. Basically couldn't tell me any info when I asked questions like "have they figured out the problem yet"?, etc....I wasn't expecting a piss poor attitude. Sig Sauer, I will never, ever buy another product from you again. I'm done and gonna just sell my Cross and never look back. There's plenty of great companies out there to take my hard earned money.
What the hell? If you look at their facebook page, there are tons of cross owners complaining on almost every post, with NO response from SIG. I have a Pdog hunt coming up in June and was going to bring my Cross as a secondary rifle.
 
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are there people actually still buying Cross's being under recall? If I went to sell it I would make sure that the person knew there is a safety recall first. I just thought that it would deter most everyone.
 
are there people actually still buying Cross's being under recall? If I went to sell it I would make sure that the person knew there is a safety recall first. I just thought that it would deter most everyone.
I was watching prices on GB for the cross. Maybe around 10/20 they were roughly 1600-1700. Not much more then what you would buy them for at your LGS. 4ish weeks post recall I looked on GB again and they were going for north of 1800 easy.
 
brazz04 - wait a week? It's been 2+ months now we can't use our rifles. Meanwhile....SIG just finished up their $$$$$$$$$ contract with the government. They should make a better effort to take care of their customers. I seriously doubt I'll buy a Sig again now. Just too many other good options out there.
Uh...ya, practice fundamental gun safety and it’s a non issue. Been shooting mine this whole time. So ya, sending it back for a week is a not a big deal.
 
are there people actually still buying Cross's being under recall? If I went to sell it I would make sure that the person knew there is a safety recall first. I just thought that it would deter most everyone.
NO, My buddy purchased one from a store and went to get the background check done (then they had the recall) and the store gave him his money back. I have seen NO Sig Cross rifles for sale (new) in stores anywhere since the recall.
 
Uh...ya, practice fundamental gun safety and it’s a non issue. Been shooting mine this whole time. So ya, sending it back for a week is a not a big deal.
Its NOT a week bro. I haven't used the rifle since the recall back in Nov 2020. I literally just got my email that Sig is sending a package for my rifle and turn around time is another 2-4 weeks. SO thats approx. 4 months I will not be using the rifle.
 
Its NOT a week bro. I haven't used the rifle since the recall back in Nov 2020. I literally just got my email that Sig is sending a package for my rifle and turn around time is another 2-4 weeks. SO thats approx. 4 months I will not be using the rifle.
Their email states turn around time is 2-4 weeks now? I have yet to get my notification of package tracking. Their first email stated 5-7 days for turn around.
 
Meh, hasn't stopped me from using the rifle. A single documented issue when a guy was intentionally trying to break the rifle does not concern me.

The 2-4 weeks is new, but I like the rifle a lot so sending it back for that time is also not a concern. I always enjoy seeing how much people work themselves up over these things. It's as though people look for opportunities to cry online. I just went through all this shitty weather in texas and had no power for 8 days. A short recall on a rifle in comparison is not the end of the world.
 
Meh, hasn't stopped me from using the rifle. A single documented issue when a guy was intentionally trying to break the rifle does not concern me.

The 2-4 weeks is new, but I like the rifle a lot so sending it back for that time is also not a concern. I always enjoy seeing how much people work themselves up over these things. It's as though people look for opportunities to cry online. I just went through all this shitty weather in texas and had no power for 8 days. A short recall on a rifle in comparison is not the end of the world.
You do realize that IF an accident happens you are the one liable and not Sig Sauer because they issued a recall, right? To each his own, but I got too much to lose over an accident. I'm pretty careful, but accidents happen so I havent been using mine.
 
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Recall hasn’t stopped me from doing the Sig recommended barrel break-in and trying out a few different scopes. Yes, I understand the liability issues and I accept it. Practicing muzzle discipline, bolt stays open and range I use is fairly private (not crowded at all, particularly at below zero temperatures). While disappointed in recall, happened two weeks after I purchased, I am happy with rifle and the accuracy I am getting. 6.5 cm with better than moa so far. More than good enough for hunting.
 
Your better off following this thread below...

 
To quote all the Vortex haters, the best customer service/warranty is the one you never need to use. Honestly my biggest issue with them as of late, is a lack of parts, and the expense of parts. It was months before I could get a replacement bolt for my MPX. If you want a spare MPX recoil assembly, you have to buy it with the carrier and bolt for $400, want an upper receiver, that's $500, want a spare barrel that will cost more than a new JP 6.5 Supermatch barrel with a headspaced bolt and a Sig barrel is no JP.

Sig does release products quickly, and the faster you release products the more likely you are to have issues. There's also the fact that Sig frequently makes significant changes from their early prototypes that you see compared to what ends up being production. Which is good and bad, it's good to make changes to your initial design based on prototype feedback and Sig seems pretty good at this. Where they seem to fail is then re-testing the changes before release. Also usually prototypes are usually all made in house with custom parts and high attention to detail, perhaps Sig is just not testing the production models enough before release. This is an inherent "problem" with all prototype work, there's a balance between fast and reliable product development, release too fast after a change you run the risk of the change being a problem, test too much and it simply costs too much.

The 320 Legion was that way. Pre-production samples had a visible "moving" chamber indicator like the M17/18, however when it hit the market for some reason all they had was the slot for it left in the barrel for the indicator, but eliminated the chamber indicator itself which promptly ported chamber blow by right into optic lenses.

You can see a "first look" review image here that shows the M17/18 style chamber indicator on a 320 Legion.

First Sig blamed the Leopold Delta Pro's for the issue saying it's lens was too exposed and refused to do anything, before their new optic was released, but it was also a problem for the new romeo too. After lots of unhappy people have blowby streaks on their optics Sig has to replace barrels for ones without a big slot in the barrel hood for existing customers and updated the barrel design to be solid. Current production models have no trace of any slot/hole anymore. It's hard to imagine any sort of significant testing with an optic in that configuration would not have exposed the issue. So either Sig didn't test it significantly after the change, or they hoped nobody would notice the issue.

At the end of the day though as long as everyone lines up to pay their prices and be beta testers, can't blame Sig for laughing all the way to the bank.


That's why I waited. My BIL picked up an x5 as soon as they came out.

I ordered a x5 legion a few months ago. I figured they should be on at least gen 3 by now...


Really I just looked the fact that I can change springs with the open guide rod. Looking forward to those reduced loads and being able to shoot lazy at our local steel matches.
 
Got my hat today and will have to remount the scope etc later, but the trigger feels about the same to me so far. I think other may be more perceptible then me though.
The cheek piece seems smoother then when I sent it in?? Hinge feels the same to me.
 
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