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      "widget_def.thdonate_goals" => "[TH] Donate: Goals"
      "widget_def.thdonate_topDonations" => "[TH] Donate: Top donations"
      "widget_def.thdonate_topDonors" => "[TH] Donate: Top donors"
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      "widget_def.thfeature_full_thread" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Full Threads"
      "widget_def.thfeature_grid" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Grid"
      "widget_def.thfeature_grid_threads" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Grid Threads"
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      "widget_def.thfeature_slider_threads" => "[TH] Featured Threads and Content: Slider Threads"
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      "widget_def.xfmg_albums_slider" => "XFMG: Albums slider"
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Germany introducing mandatory measles vaccination for kids

Hopefully I live long enough to come across an anti-vaccination parent of a single child who home schools and sells essential oils and healing crystals.

Something wrong with home schooling?

I know lots of folks who were home schooled and also didn't get vaccinations that went on to have great lives and good careers.

I've also done enough "home schooling" of children to say that a good homeschooled child will have a huge head start on those shipped off to pre-kindergarten, then kindergarten, then first grade. I'm actually rather good at teaching babies up to about 8 years, lots of experience and excellent results.

I'd actually suggest that if you want to raise children that are not going to be a bunch of mind controlled medicated communist stooges these days, you almost have to give some serious consideration to home schooling.
 
I wish somebody would do a huge survey. Count every non vaxxed kid in America...there 100000s..if not millions.......then get the same number of fully vaxxed kids...randomly chosen...and then cross check death rate...sids rate....all chronic illness rate...add and adhd rate..heck..get the average grades also. How hard would it be? They already have most of the data. It should be a fairly cheap study.

But nobody will do it.
 
I think it's cool if you don't vaccinate your kids. When they die you should be charged with at LEAST manslaughter and locked away. This way we all win! You backwards ass paranoid flat earthers baby killers will be isolated from the rest of us and your DNA won't be passed on, consistent with natural selection.
 
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Hopefully I live long enough to come across an anti-vaccination parent of a single child who home schools and sells essential oils and healing crystals.
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A little trivia..
Ever heard of the black plague? Or black death? The disease they're putting in the news...saying it's making a comeback in third world nations because of Antivaxxers?

There's a story of four or five thieves who robbed like crazy when everybody was dying of it.

In exchange for their freedom When they got caught...they spilled how they kept from getting the plague...yup...esssentail oils?
That combination is still the most popular essential oil blend today.
 
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The precise reason I love this forum is because of the access to 'professionals' who can quickly dispel any bs ideas I've picked up thru the grapevine.
Are you implying that if a child gets no vaccinations before the age of 18...he or she or whatever gender he or she most associates with, has a 9 percent higher death rate then the ones that got all their vaccines?
Not sure what kind of operation you run, but I’m also curious. Are you vaccinating your cattle for IBR, BVD, 7-way Clostridium (Blackleg), Lepto? How about your horses - EEE, WEE, VEE, WNV, EI, EHV, Tetanus? How about your dogs - Parvo, Distemper, Rabies? Do you believe any of these contribute to the efficiency of your operation? What would it be like without them?
 
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I think it's cool if you don't vaccinate your kids. When they die you should be charged with at LEAST manslaughter and locked away. This way we all win! You backwards ass paranoid flat earthers baby killers will be isolated from the rest of us and your DNA won't be passed on, consistent with natural selection.

Well I'm sure you will fit right in with the new obedience to the government program that the Communists will be implementing.
I don't know if it's actually even worth explaining how wrong on so many levels your statement is.

But perhaps it's best not to upset you with actual real life and how it works.

Oh and I'll bet on a global scale more DNA is being passed on by unvaccinated folks than anyone else.

Funny how you suggest that wanting to question exactly what is in these vaccines and have a choice and options means you are a "baby killer".
Especially since the ones pushing the "mandatory" vaccinations are all about ACTUAL Baby Killing as a right of virtue and also pushing killing off the elderly / infirm / weak.

How on earth did humanity grow and survive and fill the planet up till about 1970 to 1980 when vaccinations for common childhood diseases became the norm?

Oh and what about those kids who DO die each year from vaccine complications so by your own logic who do we go charge with murder and lock away for the rest of their lives for it???
 
I think it's cool if you don't vaccinate your kids. When they die you should be charged with at LEAST manslaughter and locked away. This way we all win! You backwards ass paranoid flat earthers baby killers will be isolated from the rest of us and your DNA won't be passed on, consistent with natural selection.
That's fair. I understand you mentality fully. Because that's exactly how I felt a couple years ago.

But what if your child dies from a vaccine? Or regresses into autism or other neurological issues? Will you keep quiet..say it's natural selection also....and pull millions from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund? 75 cents from each vaccine gets out into the fund.

Over 4 billion dollars have been paid out btw. And that's only to the parents who can prove it in court. Most can't.
 
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Well I'm sure you will fit right in with the new obedience to the government program that the Communists will be implementing.
I don't know if it's actually even worth explaining how wrong on so many levels your statement is.

But perhaps it's best not to upset you with actual real life and how it works.

Oh and I'll bet on a global scale more DNA is being passed on by unvaccinated folks than anyone else.

Funny how you suggest that wanting to question exactly what is in these vaccines and have a choice and options means you are a "baby killer".
Especially since the ones pushing the "mandatory" vaccinations are all about ACTUAL Baby Killing as a right of virtue and also pushing killing off the elderly / infirm / weak.

How on earth did humanity grow and survive and fill the planet up till about 1970 to 1980 when vaccinations for common childhood diseases became the norm?

Oh and what about those kids who DO die each year from vaccine complications so by your own logic who do we go charge with murder and lock away for the rest of their lives for it???

Have you ever taken a step back and really analyzed your own ideas? This rambling and nearly incoherent rant is full of passion but lacks substance. Are you a millennial?
 
Not sure what kind of operation you run, but I’m also curious. Are you vaccinating your cattle for IBR, BVD, 7-way Clostridium (Blackleg), Lepto? How about your horses - EEE, WEE, VEE, WNV, EI, EHV, Tetanus? How about your dogs - Parvo, Distemper, Rabies? Do you believe any of these contribute to the efficiency of your operation? What would it be like without them?
Yes. We take full advantage of vaccines in our cattle...hogs..and dogs. Its a business decision. I don't actually care or will even know if any of them suffer adverse effects and brain damage. We only have them a couple months then they get shipped iut.

All that has nothing to do with my kids. My kids are not animals....and I don't make decisions about how to raise them using business tactics.

I never said vaccines don't work btw.

I'm concerned about risk vs benefits.

I'm concerned about the fact that no decent safety studies get done on them.

I'm concerned about the fact that the company that holds patents for them is also the same company that is in charge of safety testing them. Can you tell me of any other industry where that happens?
 
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That's fair. I understand you mentality fully. Because that's exactly how I felt a couple years ago.

But what if your child dies from a vaccine? Or regresses into autism or other neurological issues? Will you keep quiet..say it's natural selection also....and pull millions from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund? 75 cents from each vaccine gets out into the fund.

Over 4 billion dollars have been paid out btw. And that's only to the parents who can prove it in court. Most can't.

I can imagine that somewhere along the way people have died as a direct result of receiving a vaccine. Let's at least admit that that number is insignificant compared to the number of people saved as a result of receiving vaccines. Perhaps your argument might make you sympathize with parents whose children were killed by guns wanting to ban them?
 
40 million illegals , not one of the germ warfare weapons is vaccinated.

I wish somebody would do a huge survey. Count every non vaxxed kid in America...there 100000s..if not millions.......then get the same number of fully vaxxed kids...randomly chosen...and then cross check death rate...sids rate....all chronic illness rate...add and adhd rate..heck..get the average grades also. How hard would it be? They already have most of the data. It should be a fairly cheap study.

But nobody will do it.
 
Have you ever taken a step back and really analyzed your own ideas? This rambling and nearly incoherent rant is full of passion but lacks substance. Are you a millennial?

I'm someone who is old enough to have grown up in times when it was a normal part of events for most children to get common childhood diseases such as Measles, mumps, German measles, chicken pox etc. Never personally met anyone or heard any first hand accounts of significant issues, because it was very rare. Had a whole pile of them myself and was exposed to others I didn't get as did just about everybody I knew and all our parents and grandparents etc. Vaccines were usually only used for things that were actually at risk of killing you.

At the same time growing up, the concept of autistic children or people with life threating allergies to peanuts and such was a really far distant thing that nobody had experienced and only heard anecdotal stories of.

At the same time we all learned the science about vaccinations and how the whole thing came about and the basis of it. I bet half the college kids these days couldn't put together a paper from memory on Pasteur's work on humans and silkworms as good as we could in grade school.

The problem I think you have is that you are unwilling to actually look into why some folks might choose to be hesitant about injecting their young children with a cocktail of preservatives and booster / brain barrier penetrating chemicals as well as having vaccinations pushed too early and too rapidly (as admitted to by those running the programs).

You also are swallowing hook line and sinker all the modern propaganda in the media about if you don't get vaccinated you die type lie.

You would probably find if the government and the medical industrial complex were to ever stop being so heavy handed and gestapo like about things. If there was full transparency about how to make vaccines as safe and natural as possible without all the chemicals and preservatives and toxic metals they shove in them today, even if it may mean they cost a bit more and have to be kept in temperature controlled setting. Then actually went with doing the most safety conscious vaccination schedules avoiding loading up multiple things at once and avoiding vaccinating at critical stages of brain development, it would not be an issue at all.

This is not about "saving kid's lives" as the media likes to put it out, it's all about government control and getting the supposedly "good" folks all onboard with the government using force to crush anyone that dares question or wants to decide for themselves.

Just wait till you are being forced at gunpoint to get some unknown vaccine that will supposedly stop some epidemic, or be hauled off to the camps.... because that is what is going to happen at some point the preparations are already there, they just don't have enough of the public duped.
 
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I can imagine that somewhere along the way people have died as a direct result of receiving a vaccine. Let's at least admit that that number is insignificant compared to the number of people saved as a result of receiving vaccines. Perhaps your argument might make you sympathize with parents whose children were killed by guns wanting to ban them?
I wish vaccines worked long term. I wish they were safe. It would be a no brainer. But I know they aren't. It says so right on the bottle. I wish we had no reason to be having this coversation. I also know kids in America are getting sicker and sicker..the autism rate is going up every year..seems like every other kid you see has an inhaler...a large number of children are medicated full time..what the hell is wrong? Just go with the flow..blindly follow instructions and keep fingers crossed it won't be your kid that has a permanent adverse reaction? Thirty years ago you got a handful of vaccines...now your getting 72.(with hundreds more in development)..and climbing. I don't know much...but I know more vaccines don't equal healthier kids.
 
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Are you implying that if a child gets no vaccinations before the age of 18...he or she or whatever gender he or she most associates with, has a 9 percent higher death rate then the ones that got all their vaccines?

In the example I gave, it is a 10 FOLD HIGHER death rate. Your calculation is that this represents a 9% higher death rate??? Where in the fuck did you get your 'education'? Wait, one second, I need to poke my eyes with burning hot sterile needles because I'm dealing with the internet. Whew, I feel better. ?
 
In the example I gave, it is a 10 FOLD HIGHER death rate. Your calculation is that this represents a 9% higher death rate??? Where in the fuck did you get your 'education'? Wait, one second, I need to poke my eyes with burning hot sterile needles because I'm dealing with the internet. Whew, I feel better. ?

I'm sorry for contributing to your bad day. I'm obviously not as smart as you are. My bad.

Here we go again..
Are you saying non vaxxed kids have a ten fold higher death rate then vaxxed kids? Also you haven't answered any of my other questions.
 
I'm concerned about the fact that the company that holds patents for them is also the same company that is in charge of safety testing them. Can you tell me of any other industry where that happens?

Yes, every airplane you’ve ever flown on. You clearly don’t understand how it works. The company wants to bring a new vaccine, drug, airplane to market, they have to pass safety (and efficacy for vaccine/drugs) standards set by the Govt. The Govt/you isn’t/aren’t on the hook to pay for it, the companies that want to profit from it are. They have to perform the tests, and demonstrate to the Govt that they have met every standard required. The Govt reviews the testing methods and results and either decides they have met the criteria or not. Often times they don’t and the Govt says “Sorry, no.”
 
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Sure looked like it in posts #20, 25, and implied in 55.
I said they wear off. That's why you need boosters. They don't completely remove the chance of getting the disease. For instance at least half of the kids in the recent measles outbreaks were already vaccinated for measles.

The meningococcal vaccine is very effective at lowering meningitis rates.

The varicella zoster also works well to prevent chicken pox.

My issue with vaccines is not that they don't do what they're designed for.

If I was forced to vaccinate my kids when they're grade school age..one vaccine at a time....I wouldn't put up much of a fight. The risks are way lower then. The immune system is fully developed.

But my babies? A hep b vaccine before my baby is 24 hours old? Several More vaccines by 2 months? I pray to God nobody ever tries forcing that on me.
 
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FarmerDan, I didn't even look at any of your other questions. I just can't, lol.

I didn't say you were not as smart as me, just not remotely as educated in any medical aspect. BUT, and this is a big but, this is a gun (rifle) forum and my guess is that you are far more educated than I am with regard to rifles. I would have no problem learning a thing or two from you with regard to that topic.
 
FarmerDan, I didn't even look at any of your other questions. I just can't, lol.

I didn't say you were not as smart as me, just not remotely as educated in any medical aspect. BUT, and this is a big but, this is a gun (rifle) forum and my guess is that you are far more educated than I am with regard to rifles. I would have no problem learning a thing or two from you with regard to that topic.
Crap. I wanted to know!. Most everything I know about guns and shooting and reloading I learned from the fine folks here on SH. So your in a good place to learn.?

Ps. I enjoy reading books written by doctors since I've always been interested in the medical field. I'm a trained volunteer firefighter and used to be a first reponder and have taken many hours of CE classes.
No I don't remember it all and I misquote numbers and facts sometimes.

A couple of docs I've enjoyed reading and listening to.
Dr Rashid Buttar(he trains trauma surgeons btw, or used to)
Dr Paul Thomas
Dr. Daniel Nuzum, to name a few.

If you've written any books I'd be happy to read it too!
 
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I don't know the other 2, but I know who Buttar is. He's somewhat of a controversial, little bit whacky, dude. I don't read or listen to medical stuff as a hobby. I grew up racing motorcycles, snowboards and later on mountain bikes (MTB) which I still race. I became an ER doc because I had to figure out a way to pay for my shit.
 
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I don't know the other 2, but I know who Buttar is. He's somewhat of a controversial, little bit whacky, dude.

Yep, I have no idea who he is but there are always a couple of "those", who go against every known researched conclusion, and always have something to sell, yet are seen as more credible than the rest of the entire medical collective by a certain type.
 
I'm a nursing student and almost gonna graduate. People who seriously think that vaccinations don't work live without looking at the past. There's a reason why diseases like small pox and polio were considered eradicated in the 21st century. Measles cases were seriously few and far between, but look at the statistics about the number of cases increasing within the last decade (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html).

Also, arguments that flu vaccines don't work is due to uninformed individuals. The flu vaccine is made the year prior to when it is issued because the CDC tries to predict the strain of flu virus that will happen the following year based on that year and previous year's viral strain. So say you get the flu vaccine and you get the flu, it doesn't mean that vaccines aren't effective, it just means that the vaccine did not stimulate antibodies that will effectively fight against that particular flu strain that you contracted.

I think it's great that Germany introduced mandatory vaccinations because herd immunity only works if most of the population gets immunized. No one thinks about people with diseases or are immunocompromised who have a much higher chance of having serious complications or dying from illnesses we take for granted.

Regarding studies, look up studies done by the CDC, various medical centers. The old tradition of having a "chicken pox" party in the neighborhood brought up new risks and exposing children to certain diseases may have serious consequences.
 
Medical dolts will continue to defend what they’re taught from their ivory towers without question or consideration for the agendas of the various foundations that have influenced medicine for the last 150 years. The foundations all have nice happy names so whatever influence they might have imputed with their vast financial resources over time and generations is of course lilly white and innocent right?

More people are better for the advancements right. OK. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a better way to protect a newborn from disease than pumping them chock full of toxic preservatives and God only knows what else. What was wrong with the vaccine series of 40 or 50 years ago that it’s now different and screwing up the kids? How about those pediatric cancer rates huh?

Speaking of cancers, what about the chemicals sprayed on the crops that provide a larger yield to feed more people but trigger immune deficiency response? Or the millions that need psychotropics every day just to cope. That crap didn’t happen 50 years ago but it’s all good cause the yields are high.

Flipping retarded brain dead populace we got I tell ya. Don’t even know or think to question the thumb we’re under. Frankly we deserve the curses we got that we don’t even realize exist cause as a people we are a just a bunch of hard headed easy to deceive fools. Just trust men and trust men some more, right on into bondage.

And if any think this post is off kilter. Well it will make a ton more sense when the spirtual blinders are finally removed and everybody realizes exactly what the hell is going on.

The devil owns this place and has boots on the ground helping run the joint. Yet 95% or more think that is all just some silly allegory or fairy tale.
 
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Here's what I don't understand. Sciences and experiments have paved the way for technology to move forward. It gave us the cars we drive, the computers we use, and the guns/ammo/ballistic data and calculations we use. So why is it that there is such suspicion towards the medical sciences?

@MTN- I'm curious why you are so suspicious of current medical practices. Since I usually only talk with like-minded people, I would like to see where your point of view stems from. Personal experience or something along those lines? Not trying to sound like a dick but I think it's good to have conversation with people who don't have the same ideas as myself.

Btw, you are right that pesticides have been proven to cause cancers. I don't know about any evidence that it causes immune deficiency response though.
 
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Medical dolts will continue to defend what they’re taught from their ivory towers without question or consideration for the agendas of the various foundations that have influenced medicine for the last 150 years. The foundations all have nice happy names so whatever influence they might have imputed with their vast financial resources over time and generations is of course lilly white and innocent right?

More people are better for the advancements right. OK. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a better way to protect a newborn from disease than pumping them chock full of toxic preservatives and God only knows what else. What was wrong with the vaccine series of 40 or 50 years ago that it’s now different and screwing up the kids? How about those pediatric cancer rates huh?

Speaking of cancers, what about the chemicals sprayed on the crops that provide a larger yield to feed more people but trigger immune deficiency response? Or the millions that need psychotropics every day just to cope. That crap didn’t happen 50 years ago but it’s all good cause the yields are high.

Flipping retarded brain dead populace we got I tell ya. Don’t even know or think to question the thumb we’re under. Frankly we deserve the curses we got that we don’t even realize exist cause as a people we are a just a bunch of hard headed easy to deceive fools. Just trust men and trust men some more, right on into bondage.

And if any think this post is off kilter. Well it will make a ton more sense when the spirtual blinders are finally removed and everybody realizes exactly what the hell is going on.

The devil owns this place and has boots on the ground helping run the joint. Yet 95% or more think that is all just some silly allegory or fairy tale.

Should we just pray away the diseases? Would that be a solution that would work for you?

It’s ok though cause it’s all god’s will and part of his plan... like kid cancer, child rape, and sex slavery. All part of god’s plan.

Wooooo! Pray away the diseases! We are all safe now thanks to make believe.

#GodWouldHaveWantedToBeVaccinated

Seriously though, you say that we can’t trust in the govt/corporations because they are corrupted so we are supposed to believe who then? Random blogs online or a neighbor’s friend from his GED night class that has a brother who wasn’t vaccinated and didn’t catch a disease?

It’s fucking pointless to argue.

Vaccinations good.
Vaccinations bad.
We all have to die sometime.
 

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Yep reaper. Go on and laugh. Our way of life is being flipped on its ear and your freedom stripped in front of your eyes.

Jake the short of it is when you’ve read what was, what is, and what will be, and are allowed to understand and believe what is being conveyed. Then all the puzzle pieces of this experience fall into a very clear picture.

I layed a bit into medicine simply because that’s the topic of this thread. There are many other avenues that keep us down. All avenues are corrupted in fact. But I do believe we are doing the best with what we see is on the table.

I just get real pissed off at how blind we are together as a people and how that is taken advantage of. Especially when thought of in context of innocent kids.
 
Yep reaper. Go on and laugh. Our way of life is being flipped on its ear and your freedom stripped in front of your eyes.

Jake the short of it is when you’ve read what was, what is, and what will be, and are allowed to understand and believe what is being conveyed. Then all the puzzle pieces of this experience fall into a very clear picture.

I layed a bit into medicine simply because that’s the topic of this thread. There are many other avenues that keep us down. All avenues are corrupted in fact. But I do believe we are doing the best with what we see is on the table.

I just get real pissed off at how blind we are together as a people and how that is taken advantage of. Especially when thought of in context of innocent kids.

So you think that following established knowledge that has been proven through repeatable trial and error is akin to following a limited view of that world that also happens to be corrupt?

I mean from a Christian standpoint, yeah I agree there are things that science can't answer and faith can. Corruption is a built in mechanism of this world, as long as humans have a say in it. However, I don't understand by what you mean that people are blindly being taken advantage of. By whom? And for what purpose? Any proof?

I see a whole bunch of logical fallacies in forums, especially biases where from the get go people are closed off to new ways of looking at information or even learning about other points of views. And I'm seeing a whole bunch of biases now, not just you. Hell, I have a shit ton of my own, but I still try to keep an open mind.

I'm not naive enough to view the world as a 2 dimensional system but I mean... perhaps some ignorance leads to more bliss and less stress lol.
 
Has disease, cancer, autism et al actually increased per capita from the good ole days or was it just previously under communicated. Sent to you from a wilderness area albeit only in 3g.
 
Has disease, cancer, autism et al actually increased per capita from the good ole days or was it just previously under communicated. Sent to you from a wilderness area albeit only in 3g.
According to the latest study..the autism rate jumped from 1 in 54?ish to 1 in 38. But they say it's because they can detect and/or track it better now.
 
The west had almost eradicated all these diseases.

Merkel's immigration policy is the gift that kept on giving.

Seeing the same thing in the US.

Blame the anti vaxxers but their population pales in comparison to the unvaccinated illegals entering the US.

All the anti vax media is cover for the real problem.

Love that when Obam invited "Unaccompanied Minors" into the country than settled them all over the place we ended up with "Entero Virus".

"Entero Virus" is what you bring in when you enter illegally.

Great our kids get to suffer a polio like disease.

I welcome all the immigrants the country takes in through legal means - Sponsors and Ellis Island Infirmary served a purpose.
 
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According to the latest study..the autism rate jumped from 1 in 54?ish to 1 in 38. But they say it's because they can detect and/or track it better now.


I wonder how much autism is nothing more than just a place on the broad range of personalities.

Einstein was probably autistic, Stephen Hawking, for sure Evil Mogul Mark Zuckerburg. Im guessing Elon Musk and Peter Theil as well as Bill Gates.

They were lucky they missed some sort of dignoses that would have made them "just like everbody else".

So much for "diversity".
 
The old tradition of having a "chicken pox" party in the neighborhood brought up new risks and exposing children to certain diseases may have serious consequences.
Nobody even halfway informed is saying vaccines don't work.

But it's nice that a medical student like yourself can go to the CDC website and get all your vaccine and disease info. Then copy everything here.

What you need to be researching is the side effects from the vaccines. Many many of the Antivaxxers today, fully believed everything you just said....and yes, ignorance is bliss. I honestly wish some days I could go back and unknow everything. It's actually keeping me awake at night. I remember several years ago when I first heard of people that don't vaccinate, I said "why does there always have to be people like that, who go against everything? Why can't they just for once follow along and leave things be."?

Then I watched my nephew develop severe excema after a vaccine..which turned into severe, and I mean severe asthma. My sister started researching, and asked the local county nurse for all the vaccine package inserts. After several weeks she got them..and the nurse said, "wow, some of these are hard to get! On the label of several it clearly says...may cause asthma.

Another friend of mine had a daughter who was healthy and happy and walking. After a vaccine she stopped walking for an entire year. She also had a serious personality change. My friend didn't do any research...he simply said..none of my kids will ever get vaccinated again.(think about it..in order to stop a child from walking....must it not be a neurological issue? But wait..the CDC says none of the toxins included in the vaccine can get into the brain. But why is there polysorbate 80 included also...for the specific purpose of letting toxins past the blood brain barrier? ) Please correct me if there's another explanation for this.

Another one of my friends was opted out the the newborn hep b vaccine...but nurses gave it anyway.


Most everybody who is against vaccines has similar stories to mine. Start talking to real people, and read less from the CDC. They've proven over and over to be liers..they cover up damning evidence...they have serious conflicts of interest. I'm also sure the majority of people working there are smart and mean well and do great work.
 
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I wonder how much autism is nothing more than just a place on the broad range of personalities.

Einstein was probably autistic, Stephen Hawking, for sure Evil Mogul Mark Zuckerburg. Im guessing Elon Musk and Peter Theil as well as Bill Gates.

They were lucky they missed some sort of dignoses that would have made them "just like everbody else".

So much for "diversity".
I think there was more wrong with Stephen Hawkings thAn autism.?
 
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I love when people argue from emotion instead of peer reviewed sources.

I heard that Lucky Charms causes an increase in autism. My friend’s sister’s best friend’s son has autism, and he eats lucky charms.
 
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I love when people argue from emotion instead of peer reviewed sources.

I heard that Lucky Charms causes an increase in autism. My friend’s sister’s best friend’s son has autism, and he eats lucky charms.


Lucky charms are magically delicious.

They only caused autism after the Unicorns were added in the marshmallow line up.
 
I'm a nursing student and almost gonna graduate. People who seriously think that vaccinations don't work live without looking at the past.

You might not fully understand your target audience. There Are indeed those that think that vaccinations don't work.
However I would probably suggest that everyone on this thread replying (including myself) that is against the idea of forced vaccinations actually understand the science rather well and understand how they work and are not against vaccinations when offered willingly and in an open honest manner with all the science and risks laid out and people given a choice on what they wish to do in the manner they wish to do it.

What we are specifically concerned by the extra ingredients in the vaccinations, the frequency and number as well as them being given too young.
Those are actually very real valid concerns that those who really understand the research not in full propaganda mode will actually admit to.
(It's well admitted that the combined vaccination schedule is too much too quick for complete safety, but they say it's best to just run the risk because maybe people won't follow up again later)

Unfortunately it has become yet another religious doctrine of do what the government says without question or... prison for you (literally as posted by some above).
 
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Also, arguments that flu vaccines don't work is due to uninformed individuals. The flu vaccine is made the year prior to when it is issued because the CDC tries to predict the strain of flu virus that will happen the following year based on that year and previous year's viral strain. So say you get the flu vaccine and you get the flu, it doesn't mean that vaccines aren't effective, it just means that the vaccine did not stimulate antibodies that will effectively fight against that particular flu strain that you contracted.

I think don't work and are the wrong type while technically different are usually used meaning the same thing in the discussions about flu vaccine issue.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but averaging year to year over say 20 years I'm under the impression that the flu vaccine has about a 50% chance of protecting you from getting sick if you are exposed to the actual flu viruses that are going around in a given year, based on the hit and miss ratio of guesses?

In my case, I don't get the flu vaccine and never plan to. (That could once again change in extreme old age).
I have a pretty good immune system and generally speaking if I am careful to take good care of myself and get lots of sleep and eat right, I don't generally have to worry about getting the flu.

Now other things I may get vaccines for if I have concerns about a specific issue.
 
I rarely interact with non-professionals, especially on the internet, when it comes to medical topics that enter the political spectrum. Without the other person having the appropriate education and extensive experience, there is no point. I'm not sure why I even responded to this one. That being said, I could have toned down my response, but I am so tired of seeing all sorts of bs spewed out by people who essentially are uneducated on what they are speaking to.

The short and unequivocal answer is that it all comes down to math. When we use our own uneducated experience to draw a conclusion that needs an extremely large sample size, then for all practical purposes n=1, which means that 'conclusion' is useless.

This is a simple but very clear explanation:

Your child MUST walk to school from your house everyday. There are 2 different ways he/she could take. With the first route, your child has a 10% chance of getting hit by a car and dying before their 18th birthday. With the second route, there is a 1% chance of that happening. Which route are you going to make sure they take everyday?
And by educated I assume you are talking about the Rockefeller funded fda accredited, pill pushing, fix the effect not the cause, type of “edjucation” people like you are the biggest idiots I encounter. You think you know something because long ago you could regurgitate words from a textbook? I can find a Muslim that can regurgitate written word and believe he can kill anyone he can’t convert. Your more dangerous because of your blind belief in the gov I.e. fda
 
Here's what I don't understand. Sciences and experiments have paved the way for technology to move forward. It gave us the cars we drive, the computers we use, and the guns/ammo/ballistic data and calculations we use. So why is it that there is such suspicion towards the medical sciences?

@MTN- I'm curious why you are so suspicious of current medical practices. Since I usually only talk with like-minded people, I would like to see where your point of view stems from. Personal experience or something along those lines? Not trying to sound like a dick but I think it's good to have conversation with people who don't have the same ideas as myself.

Here is just a few of the reasons:
First you'll have to admit that medical malpractice winds up injuring / killing a large number of people each year which means that for 100,000+ each year the doctors / nurses / hospitals got it really wrong. But usually they have just like another "protected" group a bunch of lawyers and corporations to shield them from the consequences and bully the victims / families. While the victims or their families may face a lifelong struggle due to what happened.

Now as far as "trusting doctors" blindly with some slavish religious / servitude obedience:
Just take a look at history. Doctors have been used by governments to do many horrific things to people in the name of "for the common good".
The Communists and National Socialists and Japanese in the last century were particularly starkly evil, but don't overlook what doctors in our country did. Doctors willingly lied and withheld treatment from patients so they could watch diseases progress "for the common good"
Radiation experiments done with unknowing children "for the common good"
horrible things done to people because they thought differently (Just look at what "doctors" did to Kennedy's sister because she was a bit too free and "liberated" for her families taste)
Look at Europe and read the horror stories of old people being literally killed with thirst and starvation and denial of simple medication that are actual proven cases.
Or the Actual cases of doctors killing elderly people against their will while they are screaming & begging not to be murdered....
Doctors are fine with killing unborn babies that would be perfectly healthy children if simply left unkilled for several more months
Apparently in NY the doctors can now kill them even right after they are born it seems
Doctor associations are happy to start pronouncing social order things like they should ban everyone from having guns because some people die in gun accidents (Way less however than from medical malpractice).

Medical science changes all the time and 10 years later they may be saying that what they were doing previously was the totally wrong course or that something else is a way better way to do things.
Much like the government mandated diet guidelines pretty much created a big bunch of the expensive health problems this country is facing.

Too many times Doctors and those in the Medical industrial complex wind up with literally a god complex and think they alone know what is best and people should not question them and should be forced to do what they say and then too many times they enlist the help of the "just doing their duty" types with guns to force people to do what they say they should do. Yet if it all goes wrong they can walk away and leave the victims to deal with the fallout.

In a free (as in not communist controlled) society, people must be free to make their own decisions about things affecting themselves and their own bodies if they are competent, sane and informed. As well as at the same time to a wide extent their children (Now when it comes to children it's a bit different because they do have their own rights, so while the idea is to give decent, competent, sane and well informed parents wide latitude, there are times when just like actual child abuse the state has a right to step in if the child is actually in real imminent danger of death or permanent injury from refusal of care regarding an actual critical injury or illness, when it's something that proper care is near guaranteed to fix them from. NOT hypothetical of well you may get sick or may not, so we are going to force you to do something that has a small chance of also causing permanent injury / death).

Doctors are more correctly the mechanics working on cars that they had no part in building or designing, but are pretty good at trying to figure out most problems on and working as best as can to fix those they don't understand. Simple things are easy to fix other stuff it's a guessing game and hoping things work. But the actual owners of the cars are the patients, they have the right to be properly presented with ALL the information and then decide to make an informed choice as to what they would like to do.


We don't have any problem with doctors or the idea of medical advancements or science.
What we actually want is proper individual freedom and all the information fully pulled out into the open so we can make our own decisions as free people.
What we don't want is the "doing their duty" types to be forcing us at gunpoint to do what somebody else says we must do when they don't have to take any actual personal individual responsibility for the outcome of their actions.
 
You might not fully understand your target audience. There Are indeed those that think that vaccinations don't work.
However I would probably suggest that everyone on this thread replying (including myself) that is against the idea of forced vaccinations actually understand the science rather well and understand how they work and are not against vaccinations when offered willingly and in an open honest manner with all the science and risks laid out and people given a choice on what they wish to do in the manner they wish to do it.

What we are specifically concerned by the extra ingredients in the vaccinations, the frequency and number as well as them being given too young.
Those are actually very real valid concerns that those who really understand the research not in full propaganda mode will actually admit to.
(It's well admitted that the combined vaccination schedule is too much too quick for complete safety, but they say it's best to just run the risk because maybe people won't follow up again later)

Unfortunately it has become yet another religious doctrine of do what the government says without question or... prison for you (literally as posted by some above).

Maybe I jumped the gun and didn't address the proper audience, sure. I understand that free people would still like a choice regarding anything with their health. That's called patient autonomy and it's your right and protected by law in the US. Anyone can look up the ingredients in vaccines but depending on the source, they may blow things out of proportion.

Do you have any evidence that the vaccination schedule is too much for infants/children's immune systems? Because according to the class I just took (books, etc.) the immune response level with vaccines compared to a full blown infection (common cold) is very low. I would like to see a study so that I could learn more.

Nobody even halfway informed is saying vaccines don't work.

But it's nice that a medical student like yourself can go to the CDC website and get all your vaccine and disease info. Then copy everything here.

What you need to be researching is the side effects from the vaccines. Many many of the Antivaxxers today, fully believed everything you just said....and yes, ignorance is bliss. I honestly wish some days I could go back and unknow everything. It's actually keeping me awake at night. I remember several years ago when I first heard of people that don't vaccinate, I said "why does there always have to be people like that, who go against everything? Why can't they just for once follow along and leave things be."?

Then I watched my nephew develop severe excema after a vaccine..which turned into severe, and I mean severe asthma. My sister started researching, and asked the local county nurse for all the vaccine package inserts. After several weeks she got them..and the nurse said, "wow, some of these are hard to get! On the label if several it clearly says...may cause asthma.

Another friend of mine had a daughter who was healthy and happy and walking. After a vaccine she stopped walking for an entire year. She also had a serious personality change. My friend didn't do any research...he simply said..none of my kids will ever get vaccinated again.(think about it..in order to stop a child from walking....must it not be a neurological issue? But wait..the CDC says none of the toxins included in the vaccine can get into the brain. But why is there polysorbate 80 included also...for the specific purpose of letting toxins past the blood brain barrier? ) Please correct me if there's another explanation for this.

Another one of my friends was opted out the the newborn hep b vaccine...but nurses gave it anyway.


Most everybody who is against vaccines has similar stories to mine. Start talking to real people, and read less from the CDC. They've proven over and over to be liers..they cover up damning evidence...they have serious conflicts of interest. I'm also sure the majority of people working there are smart and mean well and do great work.

Yeah thanks, I'm too lazy to look up the actual studies on biochemistry, immunology and microbiology and cite them here. No one is saying that side effects to vaccines don't exist. Here are some:
MMR- rash, fever, thrombocytopenia, seizures, brain damage
Varicella- pneumonia, low blood count, seizures
Hep B- high temp.

There are absolutely adverse effects, some pretty dangerous associated with vaccines, but since they are uncommon, most people choose to ignore it. Regarding your friend's newborn getting the Hep. B vaccine, depending on where the baby was born, it might be law to give it, I don't know. However if they did that without the parent's permission then they have a right to sue. Simple as that. However it might be a different story if the baby is Hep. B positive.

What vaccine did your friend's daughter get before she had issues walking? Was she diagnosed with a rare disease post vaccination? For example, there are cases where people get Guillain Barre Syndrome after a vaccination where it causes nerve damage and muscle weakening. Usually it develops after an infection, but there are cases of it happening after a shot.

I am genuinely curious so that I can do some research on my own, based on your own accounts. It's true that one of my own shortcomings is that I ignore the potential serious side effects of vaccines since I have never seen/dealt with them. I don't mean to depreciate the seriousness of your friend's family's experience btw.
 
Here is just a few of the reasons:
First you'll have to admit that medical malpractice winds up injuring / killing a large number of people each year which means that for 100,000+ each year the doctors / nurses / hospitals got it really wrong. But usually they have just like another "protected" group a bunch of lawyers and corporations to shield them from the consequences and bully the victims / families. While the victims or their families may face a lifelong struggle due to what happened.

Now as far as "trusting doctors" blindly with some slavish religious / servitude obedience:
Just take a look at history. Doctors have been used by governments to do many horrific things to people in the name of "for the common good".
The Communists and National Socialists and Japanese in the last century were particularly starkly evil, but don't overlook what doctors in our country did. Doctors willingly lied and withheld treatment from patients so they could watch diseases progress "for the common good"
Radiation experiments done with unknowing children "for the common good"
horrible things done to people because they thought differently (Just look at what "doctors" did to Kennedy's sister because she was a bit too free and "liberated" for her families taste)
Look at Europe and read the horror stories of old people being literally killed with thirst and starvation and denial of simple medication that are actual proven cases.
Or the Actual cases of doctors killing elderly people against their will while they are screaming & begging not to be murdered....
Doctors are fine with killing unborn babies that would be perfectly healthy children if simply left unkilled for several more months
Apparently in NY the doctors can now kill them even right after they are born it seems
Doctor associations are happy to start pronouncing social order things like they should ban everyone from having guns because some people die in gun accidents (Way less however than from medical malpractice).

Medical science changes all the time and 10 years later they may be saying that what they were doing previously was the totally wrong course or that something else is a way better way to do things.
Much like the government mandated diet guidelines pretty much created a big bunch of the expensive health problems this country is facing.

Too many times Doctors and those in the Medical industrial complex wind up with literally a god complex and think they alone know what is best and people should not question them and should be forced to do what they say and then too many times they enlist the help of the "just doing their duty" types with guns to force people to do what they say they should do. Yet if it all goes wrong they can walk away and leave the victims to deal with the fallout.

In a free (as in not communist controlled) society, people must be free to make their own decisions about things affecting themselves and their own bodies if they are competent, sane and informed. As well as at the same time to a wide extent their children (Now when it comes to children it's a bit different because they do have their own rights, so while the idea is to give decent, competent, sane and well informed parents wide latitude, there are times when just like actual child abuse the state has a right to step in if the child is actually in real imminent danger of death or permanent injury from refusal of care regarding an actual critical injury or illness, when it's something that proper care is near guaranteed to fix them from. NOT hypothetical of well you may get sick or may not, so we are going to force you to do something that has a small chance of also causing permanent injury / death).

Doctors are more correctly the mechanics working on cars that they had no part in building or designing, but are pretty good at trying to figure out most problems on and working as best as can to fix those they don't understand. Simple things are easy to fix other stuff it's a guessing game and hoping things work. But the actual owners of the cars are the patients, they have the right to be properly presented with ALL the information and then decide to make an informed choice as to what they would like to do.


We don't have any problem with doctors or the idea of medical advancements or science.
What we actually want is proper individual freedom and all the information fully pulled out into the open so we can make our own decisions as free people.
What we don't want is the "doing their duty" types to be forcing us at gunpoint to do what somebody else says we must do when they don't have to take any actual personal individual responsibility for the outcome of their actions.

First off, thanks for expanding on your viewpoint. I absolutely agree that doctors and healthcare professionals haven't always been the knights in shining armor that we'd sometimes like to think they are. The examples you cited, hell even the Tuskegee syphillis experiment are dark times in our history. However I'm guessing your point with medical malpractice is about doctors purposefully doing harm to their patients such as doing unnecessary surgery, etc., not medical errors due to improper techniques/diagnosis or things like that.

The thing about medical staff having malpractice insurance really comes down to human capital. There is always a shortage of healthcare professionals and relatively minor mistakes result in a slap on the wrist. That's because no one wants to let an educated trained person go with the slightest mistake. That's at least 2-3 years of training/education for nurses and of course more for doctors. There are definitely many times where nurses/doctors are fired and blacklisted because of the huge mistakes they made. But it's just easier to keep most trained professionals on even if they do make a mistake.

I agree with your viewpoint of total patient freedom to a point. Doctors and nurses are required to respect patient autonomy and educate the patient as much as possible so that the patient can give consent or not for anything and everything that happens to them in the clinic/hospital. Treatment will always weight risk vs benefit and many choose to look at the potential benefits and ignore the risks. That's why being fully informed is critical.

Your last line about having no personal individual responsibility for the outcome of their actions is odd to me. If I'm taking care of patients then it's a personal and professional responsibility to care for them, as well as the general populace. I would think that if doctors and nurses let a baby leave the hospital without a Hep. B shot and the baby then gets a Hep. B infection, they would feel personal responsibility.

Freedom of choice has instigated serious public health issues where people who don't vaccinate their kids by choice even though they can afford it, put others at risk. People who are immunocompromised, can't afford vaccinations, etc. those are the people I fight for. What gives another person the right to purposefully not vaccinate their kid/themselves and endanger the rest of the community? In order to protect those who can't protect themselves, laws need to be passed. That's just my rambling opinion though.
 
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What vaccine did your friend's daughter get before she had issues walking? Was she diagnosed with a rare disease post vaccination? For example, there are cases where people get Guillain Barre Syndrome after a vaccination where it causes nerve damage and muscle weakening. Usually it develops after an infection, but there are cases of it happening after a shot.
I honestly don't know what vaccine it was. I can ask next chance...but I honestly doubt that the parents even know. Im assuming it was Tdap and or MMR..which are both on the schedule for her age limit. No I am not aware of any diagnosis..im not even sure they went back to doc with her. Eventually she started walking again. I didn't know that a auto immune disorder like
Guillain Barre Syndrome could happen after a vaccine. That's why I asked. In my small brain...in order for a child to stop walking it would have to be a neurological issue or a muscle/nerve issue like that. So maybe that's what happened.
 
There are absolutely adverse effects, some pretty dangerous associated with vaccines, but since they are uncommon, most people choose to ignore it. Regarding your friend's newborn getting the Hep. B vaccine, depending on where the baby was born, it might be law to give it, I don't know. However if they did that without the parent's permission then they have a right to sue. Simple as that. However it might be a different story if the baby is Hep. B positive.
Theres no law requiring Hep B...its just the CDC recommendations for seven years now. The babies pediatrician has to order the vaccine...but parents can refuse it if they know beforehand that its SOP. Most parents have no idea their child gets it within 24 hours of birth. In this case they took the baby out of the room for a heel prick blood test while Dad has left. Mom was tired and didn't ask questions...afterwards they saw it on baby's record that he got it. This happened two months ago...the parents have no idea what to do about it.
 
Your last line about having no personal individual responsibility for the outcome of their actions is odd to me. If I'm taking care of patients then it's a personal and professional responsibility to care for them, as well as the general populace. I would think that if doctors and nurses let a baby leave the hospital without a Hep. B shot and the baby then gets a Hep. B infection, they would feel personal responsibility.
Hep B is a sexually transmitted disease. If both mom and dad are negative...they should have every right to refuse the vaccine.

Last year a former NICU nurse confessed when nurses in the OB ward were ready to administer the hep b vaccine..they first called up to NICU to see if there was an empty spot. If there wasn't..they didn't give the vaccine. I have no way to prove that.so feel free to tell me im full of shit..its just what I heard.
 
Yup Hep B. is given within 24 hrs after birth. I believe almost all if not all hospitals have hospital policies strongly recommending the Hep B. vaccine within 24 hrs. There's obvious reasoning and benefits behind it and is most cases the benefits far outweigh the risks. But the problem here is whether or not clear consent was given.
 
I am genuinely curious so that I can do some research on my own, based on your own accounts. It's true that one of my own shortcomings is that I ignore the potential serious side effects of vaccines since I have never seen/dealt with them. I don't mean to depreciate the seriousness of your friend's family's experience btw.
If you want to learn from another Doctor..listen to Dr Paul Thomas...a pediatrician from Cali. He co wrote a book called the vaccine friendly plan and was recently under fire by the government for recommending a different vaccine schedule then the CDC. He was investigated and they found in his entire practice using his vaccine schedule...he had a 1 in 740ish autism rate...vs the national 1 in 40. Interesting stuff. He's still practicing btw..they tried but couldn't shut him down.
 
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