Ghost-Gun Company Raided by Federal Agents

[Blutroop]

You do realize many states have entire law enforcement agencies who do nothing but pull people over and check for unlicenced diesel fuel aka farm fuel. Its a multi tens billion dollar enterprise. Hell micheal franzesse became one of the richest mob guys in NY running a scam selling untaxed fuel in th new york area for decades. Made billions for the italian and russian mafia.

Never heard of dipping a tank?

I was a diesel mechanic in another life after the military. I know of red diesel. I also frequent areas were Leo wouldent dare try and dip your tank.
When My family is hungry enough for me to take a “illegal” moose do you really think I’m gonna let anyone but the God that told me to provide for my family tell me I can’t? Do you want to volunteer to be point man when gov goes to kick in the door of someone who has kicked in the door for the gov? Do you think a polymer 80 kit gun is gonna be the only thing behind that door?

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Okay I don't mean to be rude but the fact that you have a George Orwell quote in your footer while defending a government entities over reach is a little ironic. Is it so hard to at least entertain the idea that the ATF didn't really have any legal grounds for what they did and they did all this as a shock and awe message to the community

No one is defending them. They are predictable. How many times must it be said.

Understanding an advesary is the first step to defeating them.

No one every said the ATF are not overreaching. Its their nature. They are predictable.

Gota be smarter than an idiot to protect oneself and business. Unfortuantley as ths thread has proven, the average person cannot reason or think critically.

 

[Daleteam6]

I was a diesel mechanic in another life after the military. I know of red diesel. I also frequent areas were Leo wouldent dare try and dip your tank.
When My family is hungry enough for me to take a “illegal” moose do you really think I’m gonna let anyone but the God that told me to provide for my family tell me I can’t? Do you want to volunteer to be point man when gov goes to kick in the door of someone who has kicked in the door for the gov? Do you think a polymer 80 kit gun is gonna be the only thing behind that door?

Not to mention just because leo's do something doesn't mean its legal...the same goes for the government...
A good lawyer could actually get you out of a dip ticket

 

[Blutroop]

The atf can say what ever they want.. let’s talk about those cases that were dismissed when a felons lawyer brought up the federal definition of a receiver... hint hint a lower receiver does not meet the legal definition for receiver..
Gov agency’s claiming something is illegal is about like the media claiming someone is prez when not..

 

[CrabsandFootball]

I feel like if the kits were illegal P80 would have known and if not then I feel like the ATF should have notified them, or anyone, that they were illegal. Instead of posting on their website (its still on there) that they're legal. I could be wrong but when I read the word legal, I assume that means that thing is legal. And on the atf's website it says 80% lowers are legal. So I feel like the atf saying something is legal is a pretty decent legal case to prove you didn't do anything illegal since the atf said the thing you did was legal

The gov is not in the habbit of warning people who they percieve are commiting egregious crimes unless you are a biden or clinton.

80% lowers are legal.

80% lowers packaged as a ready to shoot kit and advertised as such to get around the GCA and various regulations ........well thats the question.

The funny thing is p80 cannot claim ignorance. The fact that they had already asked the kings men for permision and understood the process just illuminates their disregard for said proceces. Maybe they truley believed they were opperating within the color of the law. Most intelligent people wouldnt stake their lives on a guess.

Right wrong or whatever the ATF acted as expected. Gota be smarter than that.

 

[Daleteam6]

No one is defending them. They are predictable. How many times must it be said.

Understanding an advesary is the first step to defeating them.

No one every said the ATF are not overreaching. Its their nature. They are predictable.

Gota be smarter than an idiot to protect oneself and business. Unfortuantley as ths thread has proven, the average person cannot reason or think critically.

So then what exactly are you arguing bro? the fact that this was predictable? Bro i've said it was predictable like 5 times.

I've said p80 did nothing illegal and gave multiple examples of why they did nothing illegal and you've said they did do illegal things and have given very little evidence other than "the atf wouldn't have raided if they didn't do something illegal." I'm so lost.

So in your analogy you're the smart one and the rest of us in the thread are the idiots? I could be a dick again and point out you spelled unfortunately wrong while flaunting your intellect, but as I stated before, I'm not a dick so I wont

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Not to mention just because leo's do something doesn't mean its legal...the same goes for the government...
A good lawyer could actually get you out of a dip ticket

Sure but thats not going to save you from getting your truck impounded for the months/years it takes for the legal process to play out nor the thousands or tens of thousands in legal fees to fight it.

Now look at this in this context with what will likely be mutiple agencies along with the USA office coming at P80s ass with various crimes from tax evasion to unlawfull production of firearms,ect.

Being right only gets you so far and most people will go broke IF they can even prove their innocence. 90% pleas, 8% dismissed and 2% to trial. They have this shit down to a science.

 

[Daleteam6]

The gov is not in the habbit of warning people who they percieve are commiting egregious crimes unless you are a biden or clinton.

80% lowers are legal.

80% lowers packaged as a ready to shoot kit and advertised as such to get around the GCA and various regulations ........well thats the question.

The funny thing is p80 cannot claim ignorance. The fact that they had already asked the kings men for permision and understood the process just illuminates their disregard for said proceces. Maybe they truley believed they were opperating within the color of the law. Most intelligent people wouldnt stake their lives on a guess.

Right wrong or whatever the ATF acted as expected. Gota be smarter than that.

Ignorance of what though? they didn't break any laws. They were operating within the colors of the law...

I don't know why you keep bringing up that this was predictable, my friend, literally everyone saw this coming. No one is arguing that. Just because it was predictable doesn't make it right. Honestly the fact that it was predictable is part of the problem. They were operating within the law and yet still got raided, everyone saw it coming, and it still happened

 

[Rthur]

I'm not reading through 5 pages, but haven't we already done this in this country?

BATFE Drops 80% Receiver Case in California; Fears Precedent

The BATFE reaches a sweet plea bargain deal rather than have a judge make a ruling on the definition of a firearm legally binding.

www.ammoland.com

They smell a change of the guard coming that is much more sympathetic
to their abuse of authority.
I see a SCOTUS precedent being on the list next year.

R

 

[Daleteam6]

Sure but thats not going to save you from getting your truck impounded for the months/years it takes for the legal process to play out nor the thousands or tens of thousands in legal fees to fight it.

Now look at this in this context with what will likely be mutiple agencies along with the USA office coming at P80s ass with various crimes from tax evasion to unlawfull production of firearms,ect.

Being right only gets you so far and most people will go broke IF they can even prove their innocence. 90% pleas, 8% dismissed and 2% to trial. They have this shit down to a science.

Yeah but the money you lose will be made up when you're acquitted of the charges and or awarded restitution and damages.

So you're saying that all this is okay or legal because they wont have the money to fight it? Bro what are you even arguing anymore? At first it was that the atf had the legal right to do this, then it was that it was predictable, and now its that everyone should just let it happen because they cant afford to fight it? I'm sorry but this has been all over the place. All I wanted to know was what p80 did that was illegal since you said they broke the law, and most of what you've done is argue my point that they didn't do anything illegal

 

[CrabsandFootball]

So then what exactly are you arguing bro? the fact that this was predictable? Bro i've said it was predictable like 5 times.

I've said p80 did nothing illegal and gave multiple examples of why they did nothing illegal and you've said they did do illegal things and have given very little evidence other than "the atf wouldn't have raided if they didn't do something illegal." I'm so lost.

So in your analogy you're the smart one and the rest of us in the thread are the idiots? I could be a dick again and point out you spelled unfortunately wrong while flaunting your intellect, but as I stated before, I'm not a dick so I wont

They most likely will be the catalyst for the banning of 80% products, the biggest domino to fall. Due to their stupidity, they have opened the gates for the gov to go in raw. At the very least i would expect p80 kits to cease for years in the rare chance they somehow go to trial and win or get the case dismissed. We all suffer now that these products will be harder to get if not impossible.

They could have just continued business as usual pumping out kits and being quasi protected due to their previous cases. They took a gamble and it may bring everything down.....for what? Saving people 10 minutes of ordering parts or making a few extra dollars?

Fyi i am typing from a phone and have auto correct turned off. Shits going to be spelled wrong.

 

[Daleteam6]

They most likely will be the catalyst for the banning of 80% products, the biggest domino to fall. Due to their stupidity, they have opened the gates for the gov to go in raw. At the very least i would expect p80 kits to cease for years in the rare chance they somehow go to trial and win or get the case dismissed. We all suffer now that these products will be harder to get if not impossible.

They could have just continued business as usual pumping out kits and being quasi protected due to their previous cases. They took a gamble and it may bring everything down.....for what? Saving people 10 minutes of ordering parts or making a few extra dollars?

Fyi i am typing from a phone and have auto correct turned off. Shits going to be spelled wrong.

What stupidity? Operating within the law?

If what you say is true then they were illegally producing 80% lowers and would have gotten raided anyway even if they didn't bundle it together. Though you've gone back and forth on the bundle being the illegal part and the lower being the illegal part so it's hard to know which part you're talking about.

Once again not to be a dick just offering advice, but maybe you should turn auto correct back on then

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Ignorance of what though? they didn't break any laws. They were operating within the colors of the law...

I don't know why you keep bringing up that this was predictable, my friend, literally everyone saw this coming. No one is arguing that. Just because it was predictable doesn't make it right. Honestly the fact that it was predictable is part of the problem. They were operating within the law and yet still got raided, everyone saw it coming, and it still happened

Ignorance of the process. They clearly knew there was a process in place for questionably legal products to get approval from the ATF.

Alll they had to do was submit the kit to cover their ass. The ATF either said good to go or no. Either way it doesnt matter now becase the ATF can say its illegal and there is no woulda shoulda couda. They had a chance to force the ATF into a corner and protect themselves and chose not to.

That was a collosally stupid decision to make.

 

[Blutroop]

Ignorance of the process. They clearly knew there was a process in place for questionably legal products to get approval from the ATF.

Alll they had to do was submit the kit to cover their ass. The ATF either said good to go or no. Either way it doesnt matter now becase the ATF can say its illegal and there is no woulda shoulda couda. They had a chance to force the ATF into a corner and protect themselves and chose not to.

That was a collosally stupid decision to make.

Have you submitted every ar you’ve built to the atf for approval?

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Yeah but the money you lose will be made up when you're acquitted of the charges and or awarded restitution and damages.

So you're saying that all this is okay or legal because they wont have the money to fight it? Bro what are you even arguing anymore? At first it was that the atf had the legal right to do this, then it was that it was predictable, and now its that everyone should just let it happen because they cant afford to fight it? I'm sorry but this has been all over the place. All I wanted to know was what p80 did that was illegal since you said they broke the law, and most of what you've done is argue my point that they didn't do anything illegal

Thats now how defending criminal cases work. You dont get reimbursed LOL.

You have to show wanton disreguard for the law or criminality on the part of the gov to even sniff that. It happens but its rare.

In 99% of cases you are just financially and emotionaly ruined. But hey, your not in jail.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Have you submitted every ar you’ve built to the atf for approval?

I dont build products that skirt the law so your arguement is invalid. What a stupid question.

 

[Blutroop]

I dont build products that skirt the law so your arguement is invalid. What a stupid question.

Neither does p80.

 

[Ravenworks]

So I just did a search about "Ghost Gun".
Other than the hundreds of hits for their website I came across ONE article about them and it was from two weeks ago.
Gabby Giffords groups asked the two web hosting companies to shut down their website claiming that their guns were killing people.
Coincident, yeah right.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Neither does p80.

The ATF disagrees

 

[Blutroop]

Atf has no credibility anymore.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Atf has no credibility anymore.

Cool story water is wet

 

[Daleteam6]

Ignorance of the process. They clearly knew there was a process in place for questionably legal products to get approval from the ATF.

Alll they had to do was submit the kit to cover their ass. The ATF either said good to go or no. Either way it doesnt matter now becase the ATF can say its illegal and there is no woulda shoulda couda. They had a chance to force the ATF into a corner and protect themselves and chose not to.

That was a collosally stupid decision to make.

What process? There was nothing to ask. 80% lowers are legal, every part in the bundle is legal, putting every part together in the bundle is legal. There was nothing to get approval for. Now in the past companies like magpul questioned the atf on the legality of putting things like an afg on an ar pistol with a brace, that makes sense. An ar pistol at the time was meant to be fired with one hand, an afg is put on a device to facilitate using two hands, which would make the use of the pistol illegal. Two legal things when put together make an illegal thing. I use that example to point out that its nothing like p80 in which all the parts were legal, and when put together were still legal.

Why submit the kit when the kit was legal? the atf can't just say it's illegal whenever they want, and you actually argued that point a couple posts back. You said the atf doesn't decide something's legal or illegal and that its up to a court to decide.

Just becuase the ATF tech branch approves something doesn make it legal. They have flip flopped positions on a number of products over the years to include bumpstocks. Courts ultimatley determine legality.

 

[Daleteam6]

This is all good and fun but this is starting to get pointless and unproductive to me. You're kind of going in circles now and I still haven't gotten an answer on what exactly they did that was illegal and warranted a raid and I don't really think I'll get an answer on it. I think you actually agree with me at this point, so I see no point in furthering the debate

 

[CrabsandFootball]

What stupidity? Operating within the law?

If what you say is true then they were illegally producing 80% lowers and would have gotten raided anyway even if they didn't bundle it together. Though you've gone back and forth on the bundle being the illegal part and the lower being the illegal part so it's hard to know which part you're talking about.

Once again not to be a dick just offering advice, but maybe you should turn auto correct back on then

There is huge diffeence between having a letter from the ATF saying you are opperating within the law and not having one.

One is a solid defense so much that it would almost make it impossible to prosecute. Thats an easy dismissal or atleast a solid defense any decent lawyer could squash.

The other not so much.

How is this shit difficult to understand? Its common sense

 

[CrabsandFootball]

What process? There was nothing to ask. 80% lowers are legal, every part in the bundle is legal, putting every part together in the bundle is legal. There was nothing to get approval for. Now in the past companies like magpul questioned the atf on the legality of putting things like an afg on an ar pistol with a brace, that makes sense. An ar pistol at the time was meant to be fired with one hand, an afg is put on a device to facilitate using two hands, which would make the use of the pistol illegal. Two legal things when put together make an illegal thing. I use that example to point out that its nothing like p80 in which all the parts were legal, and when put together were still legal.

Why submit the kit when the kit was legal? the atf can't just say it's illegal whenever they want, and you actually argued that point a couple posts back. You said the atf doesn't decide something's legal or illegal and that its up to a court to decide.

Why is the 80% lower legal? Humor me.

 

[Daleteam6]

Why is the 80% lower legal? Humor me.

Honestly and quite literally

Are “80%” or “unfinished” receivers illegal?

Receiver blanks that do not meet the definition of a "firearm" are not subject to regulation under the Gun Control Act (GCA). ATF has long held that items such as receiver blanks, "castings" or "machined bodies" in which the fire-control cavity area is completely solid and un-machined have not reached the "stage of manufacture" which would result in the classification of a firearm according to the GCA.

 

[Daleteam6]

Why is the 80% lower legal? Humor me.

the governing body that oversees firearms has stated they were and still has it listed on their website that they are. If they are actually in fact illegal the fact that the governing body has put out and is still putting out that they are legal is a damn good argument.

Now I ask you why are they illegal?

 

[...]

Why is the 80% lower legal? Humor me.

it is legal because it is not illegal.......you know, like how all the laws in this country work.

you claim to be such an intellectual....talking down to us lowly peons....i would have though this would have been readily apparent to someone such as yourself.

 

[Daleteam6]

There is huge diffeence between having a letter from the ATF saying you are opperating within the law and not having one.

One is a solid defense so much that it would almost make it impossible to prosecute. Thats an easy dismissal or atleast a solid defense any decent lawyer could squash.

The other not so much.

How is this shit difficult to understand? Its common sense

also fun tidbit, here's a couple letters from the atf to p80... https://www.polymer80.com/CMS-Images/ATF-DetLetters.pdf

 

[Daleteam6]

Why is the 80% lower legal? Humor me.

There is huge diffeence between having a letter from the ATF saying you are opperating within the law and not having one.

One is a solid defense so much that it would almost make it impossible to prosecute. Thats an easy dismissal or atleast a solid defense any decent lawyer could squash.

The other not so much.

How is this shit difficult to understand? Its common sense

also fun tidbit, here's a couple letters from the atf to p80... https://www.polymer80.com/CMS-Images/ATF-DetLetters.pdf it's like 30 pages long but the gist of it is the atf stating that it doesn't classify p80's lowers as firearms and they're operating within the law multiple times

 

[Sgt47]

Defund the ATF and don't feed the trolls.

 

[Choid]

Let's start at the most basic thing possible when evaluating liability exposure. What specific federal statute do you believe they violated?

I think this is how the thinking goes. I am not endorsing it, but it is my guess at the reasoning. If the ATF designated the p80 product "not a gun" then they technically had no authority over it. The OKing of it was unnecessary the moment it was ok'd because general goods don't need to be approved for sale (yet, I guess) but firearms do according to a number of laws. They then decided that it was within their purview when the bundle was added, that it had de facto become a gun. It is horseshit reasoning, but given the primacy courts are forced to give to agencies in terms of analyzing statute, it is not at all surprising. I can't think of any defensible reason why p80 would have thought to go to the ATF in this instance. None.

 

[Rthur]

This is all good and fun but this is starting to get pointless and unproductive to me. You're kind of going in circles now and I still haven't gotten an answer on what exactly they did that was illegal and warranted a raid and I don't really think I'll get an answer on it. I think you actually agree with me at this point, so I see no point in furthering the debate

Have you heard the analogy of playing chess with a pigeon?

R

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Exactly. The 80% lowers and p80 frame kits are current demmed legal according to the ATF......and here is the kicker:

BECUASE THEY WERE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND DEEMED LEGALLY NOT A FIREARM.

So the reglatory body that we can all agree is responsible for determining the legality is the one who granted specific approval.

When you submit a item you get a letter. The letter says yes this conforms to the law or no it doesnt.

That letter is for all intents and purposes a get out of jail free card. It all but idemnifies you from prosecution should some asshole decide to charge you for manufacturing a nfa or regulated item.

If only there was a process in place for p80 to submit their substatinaly different product to a reglatory body......the same process they used in the past before selling on the commerial market.......to submit the kit to be absolutely sure the product they are going to sell conforms to the intent and interpretation of the law.

 

[Daleteam6]

I think this is how the thinking goes. I am not endorsing it, but it is my guess at the reasoning. If the ATF designated the p80 product "not a gun" then they technically had no authority over it. The OKing of it was unnecessary the moment it was ok'd because general goods don't need to be approved for sale (yet, I guess) but firearms do according to a number of laws. They then decided that it was within their purview when the bundle was added, that it had de facto become a gun. It is horseshit reasoning, but given the primacy courts are forced to give to agencies in terms of analyzing statute, it is not at all surprising. I can't think of any defensible reason why p80 would have thought to go to the ATF in this instance. None.

Finally an explanation that is actually decently thought out and explained, thank you. While I can see this reasoning, I still feel one would have to jump through a few mental hoops to justify it and it could be picked apart in court. I also feel like the atf should have to notify someone they're breaking a brand new rule they had no knowledge of. In their minds they were operating within the law according to the exact words of the atf

 

[LawnMM]

They are engaged in a business that the risk of running afowl of the law is SO GREAT, that they submit said products to the ATF for approval.

That they ask for approval is part of the problem because it furthers the opinion that you NEED approval.

You don't. You'd be better off consulting a lawyer than playing a game of musical 'whats illegal today' with whoever answers the phone at the ATF.

Few pages back a guy with an FFL says he gets a different answer every time a topic is discussed and documents it accordingly.

They don't even know the answer so why ask them? It just puts shit on their radar. If you've got a loophole, exploit it. Don't send 17 letters asking 'so if I put a brace on my 12" AR so I can shoot it with one hand, and I forget and subconsciously shoulder it...have I broken the law?'

Besides, who TF is going to know anyway. I'm not advocating people break the law but the level of paranoia about being prosecuted for something that's already been green lighted is fuckin retarded.

Just becuase the ATF tech branch approves something doesn make it legal.

The opposite is also true.

 

[Austan]

Lol at asking the government for permission. That's the most anti-American thing I can think of. Some of you must be from other parts of the world to think like that, or just parts of the country where freedom doesn't exist to such an extent that you do not even realize how suppressed your freedoms are.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

That they ask for approval is part of the problem because it furthers the opinion that you NEED approval.

You don't. You'd be better off consulting a lawyer than playing a game of musical 'whats illegal today' with whoever answers the phone at the ATF.

Few pages back a guy with an FFL says he gets a different answer every time a topic is discussed and documents it accordingly.

They don't even know the answer so why ask them? It just puts shit on their radar. If you've got a loophole, exploit it. Don't send 17 letters asking 'so if I put a brace on my 12" AR so I can shoot it with one hand, and I forget and subconsciously shoulder it...have I broken the law?'

Besides, who TF is going to know anyway. I'm not advocating people break the law but the level of paranoia about being prosecuted for something that's already been green lighted is fuckin retarded.

Wishfull thinking.

Being right in your mind is not going to stop people from knocking down your door at 2am.

Does asking for approval suck and is the entire premise bullshit from a 2A point of vier? Absolutley.

Does that have any bearing on how the ATF opperates , how the courts opperate and what one must do to protect themselves from governent overreach and prosecution? NOT AT ALL.

You dont have to agree with the process and laws but you best damn understand how to propperlly navigate them and mitigate risk if you engage in this type of business.

That letter is a solid defense and protects you. Is it bullshit...yea but thats reality so you either deal with it or end up getting fucked raw.

You have to be a fucking idiot to not reconize this....and fucking idiots are the type of people who end up in prison.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Lol at asking the government for permission. That's the most anti-American thing I can think of. Some of you must be from other parts of the world to think like that, or just parts of the country where freedom doesn't exist to such an extent that you do not even realize how suppressed your freedoms are.

You ask gov for permission for everything you do in life from driving a car to turning on a water spigot to the types of milk you can buy.

Stop pretending otherwise.

The hubris and ignorance in this thread is unbearable. Im out.

 

[...]

You ask gov for permission for everything you do in life from driving a car to turning on a water spigot to the types of milk you can buy.

Stop pretending otherwise.

jesus christ what sad commie shithole do you hail from ??

 

[Daleteam6]

Exactly. The 80% lowers and p80 frame kits are current demmed legal according to the ATF......and here is the kicker:

BECUASE THEY WERE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND DEEMED LEGALLY NOT A FIREARM.

So the reglatory body that we can all agree is responsible for determining the legality is the one who granted specific approval.

When you submit a item you get a letter. The letter says yes this conforms to the law or no it doesnt.

That letter is for all intents and purposes a get out of jail free card. It all but idemnifies you from prosecution should some asshole decide to charge you for manufacturing a nfa or regulated item.

If only there was a process in place for p80 to submit their substatinaly different product to a reglatory body......the same process they used in the past before selling on the commerial market.......to submit the kit to be absolutely sure the product they are going to sell conforms to the intent and interpretation of the law.

I feel like im still missing something because they still didn't sell a firearm though. extra parts thrown in a bundle or not, its still not a firearm. Advertisements or not, it's not a firearm and they still didn't break any laws. It can be milled out into a firearm yes, but even that's not illegal as long as you keep it for your own personal use and don't sell it. So even the advertisements aren't illegal either. I just don't think any of this would stand up in court and I still don't believe they did anything illegal since literally everything they did was legal both separately and put together

 

[Austan]

You ask gov for permission for everything you do in life from driving a car to turning on a water spigot to the types of milk you can buy.

Stop pretending otherwise.

The hubris and ignorance in this thread is unbearable. Im out.

So what country are you from?

 

[...]

I feel like im still missing something because they still didn't sell a firearm though. extra parts thrown in a bundle or not, its still not a firearm. Advertisements or not, it's not a firearm and they still didn't break any laws. It can be milled out into a firearm yes, but even that's not illegal as long as you keep it for your own personal use and don't sell it. So even the advertisements aren't illegal either. I just don't think any of this would stand up in court and I still don't believe they did anything illegal since literally everything they did was legal both separately and put together

this is not intended to stand up in court.....it is a tax payer funded harassment campaign pure and simple.....

 

[Daleteam6]

this is not intended to stand up in court.....it is a tax payer funded harassment campaign pure and simple.....

That's my whole point. P80 didn't do anything illegal and the atf did this raid for nothing more than a show of force and intimidation racket. If they did anything illegal I feel like at least one person would have gotten arrested during the raid. As I said before the whole raid hinges on the 80% lower being illegal and the atf themselves said it wasn't and they know that

 

[Daleteam6]

So what country are you from?

Same country as me. Pretty sure I could guess which state but I wouldn't share that information without permission

 

[Daleteam6]

Anyways yall this has been fun but it's exhausting. No hard feelings to anyone especially @CrabsandFootball, we shall agree to disagree my friend. Hopefully we can find a different topic that we do agree on sometime

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Great another thread wasted with pages and pages of dick measuring piss contest. Bickering petty semantics to prove a higher grasp of intellect.

Bottom line needs a third grade education to comprehend.
Shall Not Be Infringed!!! It's simple and basic. It doesn't require black robed intellects to decipher

 

[Keel Haul]

ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits

GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits - This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provide additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and are requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Maybe coming to your house next.

 

[...]

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ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits

GHOSTED: ATF Visiting End Users; Requesting Forfeiture Of Polymer80 Kits - This morning, an anonymous TFB reader provide additional information pointing to the ATF visiting end users and are requesting the forfeiture of certain Polymer80 kits.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Maybe coming to your house next.

i would have made them come back with a warrant......fuck those cock suckers.....

 

[LawnMM]

Maybe come back with a warrant, in the meantime, fuck off.