Glock fanbois are on another level

That’s a lot of words to say you put it on fire before you pull the trigger.
Yeah, I did say more than that because there's more to it than that.

But hey, you go ahead and put it on fire as soon as you get your grip and control your finger on a 3.5lb trigger throughout your draw stroke.
 
Yeah, I did say more than that because there's more to it than that.

But hey, you go ahead and put it on fire as soon as you get your grip and control your finger on a 3.5lb trigger throughout your draw stroke.
You have a short memory and a bad grasp on reading comprehension. You're just throwing in conclusions that where never said.

3.5 pound trigger is normal for me and most regular shooters, in fact that’s one of my heaviest triggers. You’ve really built yourself up in your own head you’re doing completely normal things but magically it’s something special because it’s you lol.

You described punching out and flipping off the safety as some boss move, and talk about 3.5lb triggers like it something stupid light.

Give yourself a medal.

I normally have no problem with you , and I hope this is all a troll because it’s some of the stupidest shit I’ve read in a minute.
 
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I have a better idea. You come to Austin, we go to a range I use with a tactical bay that allows rapid fire or combat shooting. You bring your Glock, a witness with a shot timer and camera. I do the same.

If I don't beat you like the little bitch you are, I'll pay you and your witnesses' plane tickets.

There are plenty of witnessess at a USPSA match, and you don't get to pick the shooting problem.

Sounds like you're afraid of not picking and choosing the test.

Always the same shit when nutbags like you get called out: "we'll do it at my secret location". Fuck you, if you want to do it we'll do it in front of everyone and you don't get to pick the test or the rules.
 
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There are plenty of witnessess at a USPSA match, and you don't get to pick the shooting problem.

Sounds like you're afraid of not picking and choosing the test.
I normally couldn't care less for classifiers but they seem like just the right thing here.
Set up exactly the same all across the country, low round count, only the shooting fundamentals matter in a non movement classifier, amd scores are posted on PS.
Sounds like an easy way to put up or shut up, just gotta talk your local MD's into a specific one.
 
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You guys need more orange.

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There is a time time to push the safety on a 1911 and start the trigger press. After practice, much dry fire drills, it becomes muscle memory. The trigger finger follows the safety press and is part of a sequence.

With much practice you can be on target at the end of the punch out, your thumb safety disengaged and your finger pressing the trigger with confidence you're on target when you're at the end of the punch out. Disengaging the thumb safety early in the draw stroke can lead to an early trigger press and a premature shot or AD. I've seen that happen more than once.

I taught myself and others a discipline to keep the thumb locked open until the gun is chest or clavicle high at the beginning of the punch out. The thumb never points down or on the thumb safety during the first half of the draw stroke, bringing the gun up to the shooting plain. Once the punch out begins is when the thumb comes down pressing the thumb safety. I even use the thumb to now point at the target. The trigger finger is keying on the thumb through muscle memory and is pressing the trigger. If you've paid your dues and practiced, your sight picture is good and the gun goes off at the end of the punch out. Click and ride the thumb safety, pull the trigger. Click - boom, one fluid motion.

To switch over to a Glock, I'm not scrapping 40+ years of muscle memory using this technique. So I incorporated the 1911 safety into the Glock.

That's a lot of words, but I think the summary is "I'm dependent upon the thumb safety to prevent a ND because my finger is on the trigger before the gun is on the target".

Yeah, I did say more than that because there's more to it than that.

But hey, you go ahead and put it on fire as soon as you get your grip and control your finger on a 3.5lb trigger throughout your draw stroke.

Interpretation confirmed.
 
Yer both wrong - hammer fired DA/SA or DAO Autos are The Bomb. Well, for me and my training level anyway. Decocker down when holstering disables the trigger and firing pic - the gun is dead as a stone. Once holstered the decocker is raised and the hammer put at half cock. If need arises, I skin it and a neat sharp DA pull (which on my Beretta PX4 is better than a Glock squirt gun trigger) lets round one go and then it's in SA mode for fast follow ups. 17+1.

When time to holster the gun the thumb decocks the pistol and it is once again inert and safe to be holstered even with shaking hands from adrenaline rush.

DAO Autos are even stupid simpler - like a DA revolver. Draw, point, and pull.

To be fair I trained with some cops a few years ago with replica laser cartridge pistols in realistic high stress simulations and we'd video it and watch. You can't believe the number of guys who had their fingers on the trigger even though they insisted they knew better and had the muscle memory to not do that. It happens - people, even people with high skill levels and tons of training, can end up with their fingers where they shouldn't be when SHTF. They don't/didn't believe it could happen until they watched the videos. No matter how well trained, fuck ups happen. I prefer redundant safety systems in place. Unlike Glock Perfection, I'm not perfect and can fuck up and I'd prefer to not get shot or shoot anyone else who dun't need shot.

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Yer both wrong - hammer fired DA/SA or DAO Autos are The Bomb. Well, for me and my training level anyway. Decocker down when holstering disables the trigger and firing pic - the gun is dead as a stone. Once holstered the decocker is raised and the hammer put at half cock. If need arises, I skin it and a neat sharp DA pull (which on my Beretta PX4 is better than a Glock squirt gun trigger) lets round one go and then it's in SA mode for fast follow ups. 17+1.

When time to holster the gun the thumb decocks the pistol and it is once again inert and safe to be holstered even with shaking hands from adrenaline rush.

DAO Autos are even stupid simpler - like a DA revolver. Draw, point, and pull.

To be fair I trained with some cops a few years ago with replica laser cartridge pistols in realistic high stress simulations and we'd video it and watch. You can't believe the number of guys who had their fingers on the trigger even though they insisted they knew better and had the muscle memory to not do that. It happens - people, even people with high skill levels and tons of training, can end up with their fingers where they shouldn't be when SHTF. They don't/didn't believe it could happen until they watched the videos. No matter how well trained, fuck ups happen. I prefer redundant safety systems in place. Unlike Glock Perfection, I'm not perfect and can fuck up and I'd prefer to not get shot or shoot anyone else who dun't need shot.

VooDoo
Sometimes I forget this is a rifle forum when people are explaining how handguns work I start to get real annoyed, then I remember. Lol

If you train properly a striker fired handgun is no more dangerous than SA or DA/SA. The following is a general statement not a personal dig at you....varying handguns aren’t more or less dangerous it’s the moron holding it who has sub-par or no real training. The operator has full control the handgun it won’t do anything you don’t manipulate it to do(minus mechanical failures).

There’s a ton of “this is better because I feel more comfortable using it, it’s safer” on here. Really you’re the safety factor not the firearm. If you can fuck up with one, you’ll manage to fuck up with the others. Unfortunately sometime brain farts happen.

There’s definitely times to touch the trigger from right after the draw(shooting from retention), in defensive situations. When that’s not a factor don’t touch the trigger.

People have this false reality you average LEO/MIL is some highly trained operator and that couldn’t be farther from the truth on average. Most I know don’t shoot any more than they are required and have a real false sense of their own knowledge on firearms/shooting. They’ve also been taught to think that way in a lot of cases so it’s not a surprise, you only know what you know.

If you ever get the chance go watch your local LEO do shooter quals, it’s not comforting in most cases.
 
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That's a lot of words, but I think the summary is "I'm dependent upon the thumb safety to prevent a ND because my finger is on the trigger before the gun is on the target".



Interpretation confirmed.
He don’t know about that firing from retention trick. Hell Don’t most instructors teach to fire the whole way out from retention in certain situations?

Fire from retention, fire from high ready, fire punching out keeping all rounds center mass while moving backwards creating space and not falling, or is that not a drill anymore?

You dont have the luxury of sight alignment and full extension when someone’s right on top of you.
 
Did LE qualifying this past weekend. Some notes I took from it,

- There was a variety of Glock, sig and 1911
- One sig was a jamomatic
- One 1911 guy got hung up by the thumb safety several times forgetting to take it off
- Looking at the targets you couldn’t tell who shot the cheapest glock or the most expensive 1911
- I qualified with a Glock 19, no optic, zero hits outside the kill zone and still didn’t use my sights inside 3 yards. Just did the point and shoot center mass as always
- Past couple years I qualified with a 1911 and a Glock 26 as a backup. Love the 1911 as well

I have both glocks and 1911’s. As well as rugers and springfields. The Glock 19 308pirate posted above is my next defense gun when I make take that step. Or a CZ we’ll see
 
That's a lot of words, but I think the summary is "I'm dependent upon the thumb safety to prevent a ND because my finger is on the trigger before the gun is on the target".



Interpretation confirmed.
Confirmed.

The finger will be going on the trigger during the punchout, not riding it during the draw. The thumb goes down first and then the trigger pressing, in that sequence.

For me, the thumb safety creates a familiar grip, plus, riding the thumb safety allows better control and leverage on the trigger which helps with the long take up of the Glock trigger.
 
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There are plenty of witnessess at a USPSA match, and you don't get to pick the shooting problem.

Sounds like you're afraid of not picking and choosing the test.

Always the same shit when nutbags like you get called out: "we'll do it at my secret location". Fuck you, if you want to do it we'll do it in front of everyone and you don't get to pick the test or the rules.
I've already picked the test. Fuck you and your games. You said I sucked as a shooter. We'll settle this real fast, fuckhead, who sucks and who is the fastest on the most important shooting real life "problem" encountered in a gunfight, the first shot. You lose that, there are no "problems."

I'll put lead on a target and neutralize a threat faster than you.
 
I've already picked the test. Fuck you and your games. You said I sucked as a shooter. We'll settle this real fast, fuckhead, who sucks and who is the fastest on the most important shooting real life "problem" encountered in a gunfight, the first shot. You lose that, there are no "problems."

I'll put lead on a target and neutralize a threat faster than you.
Y’all should go outside and kiss about it. Also we have technology film yourselves if it’s such a big deal, you don’t have to meet up and fuck anymore.

A single lucky shot would be gay as fuck, few gun fights end with one shot. One shot doesn’t prove anything stages/strings of fire weed out the bullshitters.

Shits like saying you have a 1moa rifle but shoot single shot “groups” on 2moa plates

Is the speed secret keeping the safety off? ND from retention🤣 sorry, not sorry too easy.
 
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Confirmed.

The finger will be going on the trigger during the punchout, not riding it during the draw. The thumb goes down first and then the trigger pressing, in that sequence.

For me, the thumb safety creates a familiar grip, plus, riding the thumb safety allows better control and leverage on the trigger which helps with the long take up of the Glock trigger.
But you could shoot from high ready if you’d click off the safety when it’s up and not lose time punching out. Point shootings easy at close range. If someone is right in front of you why waste time punching out then shooting.

Shoot as you punch out.


Also if you aren’t trolling you’re taking this too seriously lol. Some folks on here could teach you some good things if you weren’t taking it so personal lol.
 
I like the idea of posting a video. Easy enough to make a video and post it so we can all laugh… uh I mean watch it.
I’m not jumping on that myself I’m too out of practice these days 😆. If you notice all my comp shooting is past tense I can’t afford to shoot daily anymore.

I’m curious to see 308 shoot from stuff he’s said, not in a shit talking way either. He’s either badass, or hilarious and honestly I hope he’s a handgun wizard lol
 
How I imagine 308pirate showing up to the local IDPA in full kit with flip downs and a bullet proof jockstrap about to school some plebs. He somehow gains a shitty Italian accent also.
 
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But you could shoot from high ready if you’d click off the safety when it’s up and not lose time punching out. Point shootings easy at close range. If someone is right in front of you why waste time punching out then shooting.

Shoot as you punch out.


Also if you aren’t trolling you’re taking this too seriously lol. Some folks on here could teach you some good things if you weren’t taking it so personal lol.
You're one to talk about 'some people could teach you some things', like the basics.

I answered your smartass comments in a civil tone, thinking maybe you could learn something. You can take trying to teach someone a new/old concept as trolling if you want.

If you start shooting at high ready, you are going to be punching out as you shoot and be fully punched out with follow up shots.

As far as the first shot, most gunfights are over in seconds, unless you plan on running and gunning your way out of the hood.

When I say first shot, it doesn't end there. But the first shot is the most critical.
 
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