GOT IT ALL TOGETHER FINALLY!! More gun porn....

[dondlhmn]

I had no problem putting it all together following Gary Eliseo's instruction page, once I found it (I'm a dinosaur, I guess) I clamped the whole barreled action in my mill and opened up both the front and the back of the magazine slot so I can mag-load longer rounds..... (NOTE: the mag wouldn't seat all the way until I did that.) There was no need to shorten the mag retainer as it went in perfectly after a little time spent with the mill opening up the action fore and aft. The Timney trigger with the safety and the bolt stop removed worked out just fine. The pins that hold both of those things in the trigger shell seem to have no other functions, so that worked just fine, though there is no safety....so far, all the matches I shoot require an Open Bolt Indicator, but not a safety. I hope to make it to the Hide Cup matches next year, but will have to check out their rules in regards a safety.

The finished rifle (which I have not fired yet) is a Competition Machine....Got X-Ring? (gunsmith grey Ceracoat finish) RTS chassis, Krieger Barrel chambered for 6.5 Creedmoor, Remington 700 action accurized/all squared up and a Sako extractor installed, Timney trigger, Weaver tactical rings and a Viper Vortex PST scope.

I sure hope it shoots as good as it looks!! (at least I like it!)

Have a look at the pictures...

Don J
Reno, NV

 

[Snoball]

Very nice. I'm not usually a fan of the "tube" guns but this one looks very good. Go shoot it! I'm very interested on how it does.

 

[buckshizzo]

Great looking gun! I also am interested to see how she shoots...updates please!

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Very sweet. I love Mr Eliseo`s stuff.

 

[dondlhmn]

Very nice. I'm not usually a fan of the "tube" guns but this one looks very good. Go shoot it! I'm very interested on how it does.

Yeah...I have always been a WOOD stock guy and recently switched to the synthetics. This is my first "Tube Gun" genre and I picked the color to give the whole rig a sort of "together" look rather than going with some kind of camo or desert/coyote color. At least it is NOT a "glue-in"!! Anyway, no matter what camo scheme you pick it is never the right one for the season/region/foliage you are going to need camo in anyway. This gun will most likely only be a comp gun anyway as it weighs just over 16 (!!) pounds with a magazine installed. Some of the guys I shoot with seem to think that I will NOT like the PST in a very short time and want to switch to a Nightforce or something similar.....I guess we shall see about that......

 

[Snoball]

I like my PST, but not as much as my nightforce. Do your self a favor and don't look at a nightforce if you want to use your PST... Or do your self a favor and look at the nightforce... Depends on how you look at it

 

[dondlhmn]

I like my PST, but not as much as my nightforce. Do your self a favor and don't look at a nightforce if you want to use your PST... Or do your self a favor and look at the nightforce... Depends on how you look at it

I have looked at/through the Nightforces that my buddies have. Seems to me that it all depends upon what you get used to, but they tell me that there is some kind of big difference. However, I don't see it.....I like this PST because it is 1st focal plane and the turrets increments match the reticle hash marks. I have one of the PST second focal plane scopes (all the same except for 2nd vs. 1st focal plane) on one of my other comp guns. I haven't shot it enough to have things fall right into my hands when they need to (I was a Leupold guy for a long time and am used to the parallax being way out front around the OD of the cope).

 

[JGorski]

Very cool lookin' shit! Not sure it would work well for our 600yd BR comps, though.

 

[Snoball]

I like my PST for the very same reasons you do. I'm not brand loyal so don't think I'm pushing nightforce, but I can most definitely tell a difference between the 2 scopes while shooting at a distance (600-900) in less than ideal conditions. Another major benefit is I have more elevation in the NF... But I digress... This thread is about your new rifle not my scope opinions... Hurry with a range report of that sweet rifle!

 

[Snoball]

Very cool lookin' shit! Not sure it would work well for our 600yd BR comps, though.

Why wouldn't it? I'm not familiar with f-class like you but I would think this type of rifle, minus the pictured bipod, would be well suited. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[dondlhmn]

Very cool lookin' shit! Not sure it would work well for our 600yd BR comps, though.

It is not a BR gun...I will be using it for our Long Range Varmint matches...targets at 330, 420, 550 and 650 yards. The only way to do reasonably well in that match is to have a gun that shoots a ballistically good bullet into MAXIMUM about 1/2 MOA, though if you are REALLY good and LUCKY to boot, being under 1 MOA can be competitive. My .308 Winch will put 155 SMKs into a coffee cup pretty much all day if the wind isn't blowing and I do my job. If the wind is blowing I just cry like a baby because they are NEVER not gusty around here and go from 10 to 12 up to maybe 30 to 35 in the gusts with the direction extremely variable on our range!! When I shot this 6.5 Creedmoor barreled action in a different stock (breaking in the barrel) it was shooting a tad under 1/3 MOA (shooting on a calm day at 330 yards) and I am hoping that it gets better as it breaks in and that this stock helps out some....

 

[dondlhmn]

I like my PST for the very same reasons you do. Another major benefit is I have more elevation in the NF... But I digress... This thread is about your new rifle not my scope opinions... Hurry with a range report of that sweet rifle!

I tend to put a 15 or 20 MOA rail on about anything I build and that most usually solves any elevation problems unless you are loading watermelons and launching them at 1000 fps.

 

[PS-G1_Sniper]

I like my PST, but not as much as my nightforce. Do your self a favor and don't look at a nightforce if you want to use your PST... Or do your self a favor and look at the nightforce... Depends on how you look at it

I shoot them side by side and dont understand the fuss over nightforce clarity - it definitely has the robustness and positive adjustment going for it.

I tend to put a 15 or 20 MOA rail on about anything I build and that most usually solves any elevation problems unless you are loading watermelons and launching them at 1000 fps.

Im shooting at right near the max range of a NF and 20moa rail, but it depends on your cartridge obviously

And I know you used 1000fps because it's slow, but a watermelons at 1000fps sounds AWESOME!

 

[Boltfluter]

Very cool. Awesome job on the pics.

Regards, Paul

 

[malsa82]

And I know you used 1000fps because it's slow, but a watermelons at 1000fps sounds AWESOME!

Yes it does. Anyone know the G1 BC on a 235,000 grain watermelon?

 

[PS-G1_Sniper]

Yes it does. Anyone know the G1 BC on a 235,000 grain watermelon?

235k VLD or the new hyrids? Cuz the VLD watermelons are finicky about oal and jump.

 

[SakoL579]

I'm sure it shoot as good as it looks

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[N0mad]

Holy Cow Batman... Looks amazing... Looking forward to a range report

 

[steve123]

Very cool lookin' shit! Not sure it would work well for our 600yd BR comps, though.

Put a sled on that forend and you'd be surprised what it could do.

Jerry Tierney won the 600Y Benchrest nationals in 2008 with a Eliseo in 6 Dasher.

http://www.6mmbr.com/600nbrsa08.html

 

[dondlhmn]

Finally went out and shot it...a little windy and with me, who is not the best guy to have shoot for groups shooting, it is making somewhat under .5 MOA at 220 yards with the 42.5 grains of Rl17 and about the same with the 43 grainers...haven't measured the groups yet...(5 shot)...so I am just eyeballing the groups and they appear to be about one inch at the 220 yard distance.. I can't give a report on the speeds as I grabbed the wrong case and when I got to the range and opened the case I did grab, I discovered it had a Contender pistol in it instead of my chronograph setup....DUH!!!!!...gotta look IN THE CASEE next time, I guess. But the loads were (and I am still breaking in the Krieger barrel and trying to get everything comfortable together) 42. 5 grains of Rl17, 42.5 grains of RL17, 43 grains of RL17, one load with 43 grains and 43.5 grains of 4350 and one load with MRP in it, but I don't remember exactly how many grains for the last one as they shot worth crap so not worth remembering. Bullets were Lapua 136L, Primers BR-2 and the cases Hornady's 6.5 Creedmoor cases. The Quickload software tells me that the Rl17 42.5 loads should be around 2881 fps and the 43 grainers should be about 2905, but my experience with Krieger barrels is that they tend to be a little faster than what the books/computers say they will. Now I gotta go and shoot them across the chrono to get some usable measurments for ballistics. Pressures looked good..the 42.5 showed no ejector swipes, the 43s showed some and the 43.5 grainers showed that they were a little more "swipey", so I'm thinking that the 42. 5 loads will likely be the hottest I will go. (see the pics). More to follow later sometime.

 

[NV_Dmax]

I thought you were going to be cool and build a Swede like me?

You know Don, there are positions available on Team Excuse and we are accepting resumes. I'm sending the 136 Scenars at 3025. That can be your first excuse.

Just kidding with ya....

Nice build, I think you did a nice job and I will see you in September. I won't be out for the August match. I'm too busy with work and heading home for a while to see my folks.

 

[dondlhmn]

I DID get a 6.5 X 55mm put together....we call it a Scan rather than a Swede (it is the same except for the modern metallurgy so I can load to higher pressures than the old military stuff, but we didn't like the bolt...it was so short at the lugs by the time we got it square at the head that it was out of time. So, rather than screw around timing the old bolt, I ordered one from PT & G but it had to go back to them because it got ground to a too large OD and they are re-doing it now. I should have it back in the next week or so.

I will miss the AUG match also due to going to visit my daughter and Grandkids in AK, but should be back around the 12th....See ya in SEP!!

Don J

 

[jackal1]

Very nice...what did it come out in weight.

 

[dondlhmn]

Very nice...what did it come out in weight.

For the 6.5 Crredmore in the Eliseo Chassis, with the 26" Krieger "light" varmint barrel and a fairly heavy Viper PST 6.5-24 X 50 scope on it, it weighs 15.8 lbs and 14.5 pounds for the 6.5 X 55mm Scan with the same dimension Krieger barrel (but 1 inch longer) and a 6.5 - 20X Leupold target scope on it mounted on a 20 MOA Picatinny rail with 3 screw tactical rings and a Karsten Adjustable Cheek piece all in a Choate Machine stock. The 6.5 shoots pretty good...well under .5 MOA if I do my job, but I haven't been able to shoot the Scan yet. I will use the same 137 Scenar Lapua bullets (at least at first) because I have about 900 of them still on my bench!

 

[dondlhmn]

Well, today I got out to our range and got a chance to try the Kireger/Timney/Remmy700/Competition Machine/Viper Vortex PST 6.5 Creedmoor rig out on targets at 330 yards, 425 yards, 550 yards and at 650 yards. The loads were 42 grains of RL-17 in Hornady cases, BR-2 Primers and Lapua Scenar 136L booleets. The speed I got the other day over my chronograph was an average of 2929 fps for 10 shots. We did NOT shoot any groups, but the zero data I developed the other day for 100 yards is what I used for setting up elevation settings for the above mentioned targets. (all MOA reticles and MOA turrets...I'm a dinosaur and can NOT think quickly in MILs) I shot the 330 yards (squirrels) first and had to make about a 2 MOA adjustment to get the impact where the scope was looking. After that, the impacts on all the more distant targets were right on +/- 1/4 or MAYBE 1/2 MOA compared to the ballistics table I used to calculate them as we went out to the longer ranges. The gun shot VERY WELL....Like I said, we did not shoot groups, but I was hitting target areas on an "active target" that we had out at 650 yards...nice hits and I could consistently make pretty well centered (one EXACTLY in the center!!) hits on the "head" swinger/gong, which would knock that behind the rest of the target and then hit the mid-body recessed target to reset the head. Both of those targets are (my guess) 6 or 7 inches in diameter at the largest.. There was hardly any wind to speak of...just enough to slightly drift rounds to the right and the gun was shot off of a backpack I threw down on the ground with a small rear bag that I used to support my hand which, in turn, supported the bag rider on the butt end of the stock. With me (not exactly world champ material) doing the shooting, my guess is that it was showing about 3/4 MOA performance out at the 650 yard distance. I am liking this rig...and several of the guys commented on how good looking the gun is.