Sidearms & Scatterguns GRAPHIC - Charging bore with 1911

[tylerw02]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b04_1337719658

No matter how big your sidearm, placement is more important than displacement. Cool video none-the-less.

 

[chris223]

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Like you said cool video . Shitty shot placement. I believe its called buck fever?

 

[JelloStorm]

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That kinda shit pisses me off. I'm all for hunting animals ethically. Use the right tool for the job so the animal suffers as little as possible.

 

[Travis S]

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That was rediculous. So he made a lousy shot @200 with a rifle then waits till it gets closer to shoot 1 handed and film it? I cant agree with that at all. Im no tree hugging bleeding heart hippy but that does not seem ethical at all. Down grade....

 

[Sgt. 0811]

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Hardly a charge wasn't it.

 

[Drifter]

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Boys no matter how you slice it that pig is on its way in, ethics had zero to do with that business. I am guessing that dude shat himself, and I also am guessing his rifle was empty by the time that pistol came into play.

Those hogs are tough as nails.

 

[Ultraman550]

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That mother fucking bitch should have dropped his camera and shot the boar dead center between the eyes putting it out of its misery instead of unloading into its body and face. I hope he gets mauled on his next outing and suffers the same way but longer.

 

[1shot2kill]

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did anyone see its rear leg was barely hanging on it did not look like the handgun did that

 

[X-fan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Boys no matter how you slice it that pig is on its way in, ethics had zero to do with that business. I am guessing that dude shat himself, and I also am guessing his rifle was empty by the time that pistol came into play.

Those hogs are tough as nails. </div></div>

Well said.
Sometimes shit happens in the business of killing things.
Killing is messy...get over it.

I don't like missing either, but can and does happen. That wasn't much of a charge, but you can be assured it would elevate the hell out of anyone's heart rate... Watching a video does not give one much of a perspective.
Go hunt Africa and you too will screw a few shots. Ask anyone that has been there done that.
Being prepared for this inevitability allows one to instantly recover from a mistake and take the appropriate corrective action.

In a recent Grizzly defense thread there were numerous guys contending that a Glock 40 was both enough gun to stop a pissed (and charging) Grizz as well as a good platform to make the hit. They all seemed to think they could make the hit in the heat of the moment....Well..That just isn't going to happen.
Matter of fact that same guys would likely miss with a rifle as they have no idea of the pure stress they will face.

Showing up with an overconfident mindset is a sure recipe for failure. The shift from supremely confident to completely rattled takes a millisecond as the shit hits the fan. The revelation we all face of our true insignificance on the food chain combined with the view over our very unsteady sights rattles our confidence and crushes our abilities.
Being physiologically prepared (through realistic visualization) is half the battle...So prepare yourself or you too will fail....Even with a little pig.

Just sayin'

 

[coach482]

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If that was me I would have never posted the vid, due to embarrassment.

 

[Johnny Lately]

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Boar

 

[turbo54]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drifter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Boys no matter how you slice it that pig is on its way in, ethics had zero to do with that business. I am guessing that dude shat himself, and I also am guessing his rifle was empty by the time that pistol came into play.

Those hogs are tough as nails. </div></div>

Well said.
Sometimes shit happens in the business of killing things.
Killing is messy...get over it.

I don't like missing either, but can and does happen. That wasn't much of a charge, but you can be assured it would elevate the hell out of anyone's heart rate... Watching a video does not give one much of a perspective.
Go hunt Africa and you too will screw a few shots. Ask anyone that has been there done that.
Being prepared for this inevitability allows one to instantly recover from a mistake and take the appropriate corrective action.

In a recent Grizzly defense thread there were numerous guys contending that a Glock 40 was both enough gun to stop a pissed (and charging) Grizz as well as a good platform to make the hit. They all seemed to think they could make the hit in the heat of the moment....Well..That just isn't going to happen.
Matter of fact that same guys would likely miss with a rifle as they have no idea of the pure stress they will face.

Showing up with an overconfident mindset is a sure recipe for failure. The shift from supremely confident to completely rattled takes a millisecond as the shit hits the fan. The revelation we all face of our true insignificance on the food chain combined with the view over our very unsteady sights rattles our confidence and crushes our abilities.
Being physiologically prepared (through realistic visualization) is half the battle...So prepare yourself or you too will fail....Even with a little pig.

Just sayin'

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I'm largely in agreement with you guys, but WTF is up with the one-handed shooting? Is he holding the camera in the other hand? Doesn't seem like a "my life is in danger, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to survive" kind of move...?

No telling what I'd do in a similar situation, but I'd sure LIKE to think I'd of ditched the camera, gotten a good two-handed grip on my pistol and scored the best shots I could. It looked to me the guy waited for a good opportunity to begin shooting. Hard to argue the advantages (accuracy and speed-wise) of two handed shooting.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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Are you people kidding me?

At 20 seconds into this video the boar was shot in the head and seized ( basically brain dead, no idea what was happening )

20 damn seconds...

Are you really telling me that a 20 second kill is less humane than hunting hogs w/ a pack of dogs, which is common...

Are you really telling me that a spear or knife is quicker, more humane, again hogs are commonly hunted in Hawaii w/ spears and knives...

Archery, I know it's done, I don't know how often, but most animals I've seen killed w/ a bow took 20 seconds to die...

All this is beyond the fact that feral hogs are a nuisance species, so I don't really care how humanely they're killed, poison them, burn them, trap them, herd them off a cliff... this is why most states that I know of don't even have regulations on killing them.

buncha damn PETA members... dead is dead

 

[jayjaytuner]

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his .45 sounded like a .22

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you people kidding me?

At 20 seconds into this video the boar was shot in the head and seized ( basically brain dead, no idea what was happening )

20 damn seconds...

Are you really telling me that a 20 second kill is less humane than hunting hogs w/ a pack of dogs, which is common...

Are you really telling me that a spear or knife is quicker, more humane, again hogs are commonly hunted in Hawaii w/ spears and knives...

Archery, I know it's done, I don't know how often, but most animals I've seen killed w/ a bow took 20 seconds to die...

All this is beyond the fact that feral hogs are a nuisance species, so I don't really care how humanely they're killed, poison them, burn them, trap them, herd them off a cliff... this is why most states that I know of don't even have regulations on killing them.

buncha damn PETA members... dead is dead



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Man, you just keep coming with the warm heartfelt posts!

It's basic instinct to defend yourself from a pissed off and very dangerous animal but the negligence placed by one handing 6-7 horrible shots while video taping is bullshit and poor sporting.

I wouldn't have posted that video out of embarrassment that someone that knew me would recognize I was a horrible shooter.

 

[HathcockProtege]

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I admire him for filming in what many of you saw as a life-threatening situation. He was calm enough to just enjoy the moment.

I enjoy being with other guys who don't give a rip about their safety as long as their adrenaline is pumping.

Despite his crappy shooting, the ANIMAL was dead with 20 seconds. I would have quit shooting right @ the 21 second mark 'cuz that quivering means it's deader than dead. Critters thrash when you take out the brain and don't destroy the cerebellum (? been awhile since I took biology). Animals shot through the lungs don't have the luxury of such a painless death, I would imagine. At any rate, there's not much clean about a clean kill I'm afraid. Not saying he did everything right, but...I wouldn't feel get too riled up about it. I would count myself fortunate to die such a quick death. Ha! I would about guarantee that I endure more pain in a normal week of working out than that hog did in the minutes leading up to its death.

Kinda cool vid. TFP.

-The Kid.

 

[CleanMoostang]

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Doesn't look like we have any real hunters posting in this one, considering the negative feedback on this guys situation. Having an animal charge at you IS NOT a calm situation where you will get a good shot between the eyes.

And if anyone of you have ever shot a wild boar, or heck, even a farm raised pig like we butcher to eat yearly, if you don't get that perfect shot, DIRECTLY CENTER between the eyes, just a inch or two a little high, they don't automatically drop and bleed out.. Still yet, they will kick for a minute or so even after being taken down...

The guy did what he could in my opinion, but maybe he isn't as talented as all you Ted Nuggent's out in the www.

 

[HathcockProtege]

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'Stang, new word for you: Tact. You should at least look it up before you again insinuate that you are the only "real" hunter (by who's standard?) on this thread? I feel pretty bad knowing that even though I thought I was a real hunter, some guy on the web had to inform me that I'm not. haha. Guess I should thank you for enlightening me.

-The Kid.

 

[X-fan]

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I think what he is getting at is there is a big difference between calmly finishing off a deer and doing the same with an animal that has the capacity to hurt you. Though I don't consider pigs dangerous game a guy facing one for the first time may feel very different. So for him I have some sympathy or at least understanding.

Having hunted trophy black and Grizzly bear with an obsession for near 3 decades decades I had the privileged of introducing a lot of guys to the demon. Without fail the guys that were most nervous and cautious generally fared best while the ones that talked a big line were not prepared for what they were about to face.

This is not to discount or discredit the hunter with no dangerous game experience (most living in the lower 48 will never get the opportunity) rather to point out that once one has dangerous game experience your viewpoint on things will change....It just does.

After you have stood in those shoes there is a first person understanding and grace for those that make a mistake in the heat of battle.

Just my experience.

 

[aaronfor10]

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And I believe that the people who are in the opinion that this video is bullshit are not trying to say that the guy is an asshole because he didn't immediately kill the boar but that he is an asshole for making the choice to purposefully debilitate himself by using one of his hands to film him shooting the boar, showing that he wasn't 'concerned for his own life'

 

[The Mechanic]

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That was the 50cent of hogs.

 

[Turk]

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Sorry, there is nothing "humane" about that video!

 

[TheNewRoman]

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For me a 45 acp is a good man stopper, but I rather have 9mm +P against and animal because to me I want to know my round with go through any fur, muscle, bone it comes in contact with.

Because I remember hearing that Boars have this cartilage disk or something that helps protect them, which also is why they are so hard to kill since it's like a cheap layer of body armor.
Which would explain why the 45 round wasn't doing much, since 45 does more expanding then penetrating.

But then again the guy could have been panicking, thou I doubt it because he was still holding the camera and bothering to film, which as the guy above said pretty much says he wasn't worried about his life.

Note: I think if you can't make a clean kill don't shoot, unless of course your life or someone else is in danger. Because lets face it first shoot in hunting should be the only one needed and if it's not you better finish the job quickly.

As for the video itself, I think the guy holding camera is a cold mother f***er. Because it seems he let the thing die pretty slow and painful death. I don't have a problem with most hunters, just guys like this.

 

[dang472]

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It's also possible he has a chest mount for a GoPro camera doing the filming and shoots one-handed because he hasn't been taught outside a few action movies. The camera seems way too steady for him to be holding it with his left and shooting with his right. I'm just sayin'....

 

[HathcockProtege]

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Some of us will admit that part of hunting is thrill seeking. Some guys hold cameras while they jump off train trestles, some hold cameras while they kill animals that have the ability to hurt them. Personally, I think it took some stones. Kudos. Now learn how to shoot.

 

[Turk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HathcockWannebe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of us will admit that part of hunting is thrill seeking. Some guys hold cameras while they jump off train trestles, some hold cameras while they kill animals that have the ability to hurt them. Personally, I think it took some stones. Kudos. Now learn how to shoot. </div></div>
Stones to go in there w/ rifle and a 45? Only stones in there is claiming that it was a "charge"!

 

[RedGoat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you people kidding me?

At 20 seconds into this video the boar was shot in the head and seized ( basically brain dead, no idea what was happening )

20 damn seconds...

Are you really telling me that a 20 second kill is less humane than hunting hogs w/ a pack of dogs, which is common...

Are you really telling me that a spear or knife is quicker, more humane, again hogs are commonly hunted in Hawaii w/ spears and knives...

Archery, I know it's done, I don't know how often, but most animals I've seen killed w/ a bow took 20 seconds to die...

All this is beyond the fact that feral hogs are a nuisance species, so I don't really care how humanely they're killed, poison them, burn them, trap them, herd them off a cliff... this is why most states that I know of don't even have regulations on killing them.

buncha damn PETA members... dead is dead



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Agreed... Someone please put a bandaid on the bleeding heart of snipers hide

Inhumane would have been gut shooting it and letting it go die somewhere or blowing its jaw off and letting it starve.

Shooting till it is dead doesn't equal inhumane it just means you fail at aiming.

 

[powderBurnz]

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Shooting a BOAR in the chest isnt going to do anything, that shit is thick as hell and will just suck up slugs. Shooting it in the head from the front with a slow 45 would most likely glance off.

 

[Jim the Plumber]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Angry_Pirate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting a BOAR in the chest isnt going to do anything, that shit is thick as hell and will just suck up slugs. Shooting it in the head from the front with a slow 45 would most likely glance off. </div></div>
Thats kinda funny, glancin' off and all.
Haveing pasted a few domestic hogs in the face with a variety of hand gun rounds including a 45ACP, they don't glance off






EveAr.

 

[taseal]

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yes, it's fucked up...

but what's great is that it shows a 9mm would have done the same job... just put it in his head!

thanks for the video.

I'm gonna pos this on another forum and let the caliber war start again!

 

[mwilkins]

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Although I don't agree with the posting of the video due to obvious reasons (the drama associated with it) I have a question that hasn't been asked from what I have read.

For what reason would the guy be hunting in a situation as to where he would have ran out of ammo? If he knew he was low on rounds, then the trigger never should have been pulled if there was no way to finish the job in the proper manor.

I have shot pigs and know they can be tough to put down but some of what has been posted just doesn't make sense. Still a lot of what if's that could be answered but what is the point now?

What was done has been done.

 

[HathcockProtege]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HathcockWannebe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of us will admit that part of hunting is thrill seeking. <span style="font-weight: bold">Some guys hold cameras while they jump off train trestles, some hold cameras while they kill animals that have the ability to hurt them. Personally, I think it took some stones.</span> Kudos. Now learn how to shoot. </div></div>
Stones to go in there w/ rifle and a 45? Only stones in there is claiming that it was a "charge"! </div></div>

Emphasis added for your convenience.

 

[BravoSector1]

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OP...thank you for posting this.

Tough critters...point blank period. So It took a few rounds to subdue him...whatever.

You should see a human being soak up 5.56 and/or 9mm and keep coming at you...armed...that...is disturbing.

Good kill, good vid...and again. Better you than the boar. Thank you.

 

[ubet]

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Did anyone see the tusks on him? That pig would have made paper machete out of the guy. I know the area it was taken, pigs there, are like fucking fish at the aquarium, they are rampant.

My only grip is that he wasnt using two hands. Shooting a charging pig is no easy feat, not a lot to aim at, and what their is, is covered by their armor.

 

[X-fan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goatphius</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Agreed... Someone please put a bandaid on the bleeding heart of snipers hide

Inhumane would have been gut shooting it and letting it go die somewhere or blowing its jaw off and letting it starve.

Shooting till it is dead doesn't equal inhumane it just means you fail at aiming.

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LMFAO!

There is a big difference between killing and talking about killing...
One can be messy, the other is always surgical....

 

[Roadwild17]

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Man 1 - Pig 0. In the end Im going home regardless of how many times I have to take shitty shots at a piggy. Last year a man was killed in a parking lot when he was getting in his truck, pig came from underneath and tore his femoral artery.

Yeah sure I would rather make a one shot kill, but always have a plan B and a plan C if you could.

 

[tiNdvenTFHwMdqKW]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a big difference between killing and talking about killing...
One can be messy, the other is always surgical....

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+1, I wish everything I shot died instantly without bleeding. However, the reality is that sometimes the death dance just needs to be danced.

 

[InsidetheStorm]

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I dun shotted lotsa critters that twitched when they's dyin.

Takes em a minute to die... And like X-Fan said, Shit happens. Just remember, Bullets are cheap, emergency room visits for boar maulings are expensive. If I woulda had a 30 round mag, I might have emptied it. Of course, I've seen better charges at the Wal-Mart checkout...

 

[Raider Power]

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I have killed a bunch of hogs deer and coyotes and they all react differently to being hit with a bullet. From my experience, how they react depends on a couple of things. First, it depends on the animal, second it depends on shot placement and bullet type/performance. I can count exactly two animals that have dropped exactly where I shot them and didn't twitch or thrash around some, that just doesn't happen very often from my experience.


Deer and coyotes tend to run when they get hit (excluding headshots). Both are surprisingly tough animals given their build. Most of my whitetail hunting has been done with a 7mm Rem Mag using Hornady soft point bullets or nosler partitions. I don't think anybody would argue I don't have enough gun. I shoot deer right behind the shoulder so I don't tear up a bunch of meat.

The first buck I shot with this combo dropped in his tracks, flopped his back legs a couple of times and gave it up. The second buck I shot (same shot placement), dropped, but started thrashing violently. He kept thrashing and managed to get up, but as soon as he did I put another 7mm slug in his chest. More of the same, and he gets up again. So I put another one in his chest and he's down for the count, finally. There was a nice cluster of three entrance holes in his chest, right where they should have been and there were three nice sized exit holes on the offside of his chest indicating all 3 bullets expanded. There was literally nothing left of his heart and lungs when I opened him up to field dress him. The first bullet was sufficient, but that deer just didn't want to admit it.

Several does I've shot jumped straight up in the air when hit and sprinted at full speed for over a hundred yards when hit with the same projectiles in the same place.

Even when shot in the head, I've seen deer twitch for more than 30 seconds.

I've killed a lot more hogs than deer and with a bunch of different guns and bullets. GENERALLY, from my experience, they tend to drop in their tracks and die. I've killed hogs with 9mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp, .223, .22-250, .25-06, .264 win mag, 7mm rem mag, .308 and .300 win mag. .223 and the handgun rounds do fine and the hogs generally lie down and die, but some don't. I've been charge by a boar my brother put a couple of soft point .308s into. A .223 to the head put him down. I shot another hog in the neck, and dropped her in tracks. when I walked up to drag her off, she wasn't breathing that I could tell (and there was a large pool of blood) so I grabbed her back legs and hauled her over to a clearing to start cleaning her. I went back to my truck to get my knife an she popped up like nothing had happene and ran over 200 yards before I could get another shot on her and put her down for good.

Long post short, killing things isn't always nice and clean. Sometimes, the animal
just doesn't want to believe its dead.

 

[Invstr21]

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RAIDERPOWER...very well said. For the rest of you, pick up your panties and cover your mangina! No one forced you to click and watch! Get the damn thing home and put some food on the table.

 

[Maverick299]

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I've hunted and killed wild hogs myself and let me tell you, those things are FAST!!! That pig was trotting in like he knew the guy and was coming for a behind the ear scratch and a snickers bar. Maybe the pig was wounded prior, but that sure wasn't what I was expecting when I read the title about a charging pig.

 

[Ianski]

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+1 for Raider Power,
I've had a number of deer that I've had clean shots on that traveled more than 300yds. One in particular I hit and destroyed a lung and it's heart, I still ended up tracking it over 700 yds, If killing was always clean then it would be easy.

For me at least, It's part of what reminds me that i am taking a life, I don't like seeing it, but seeing it makes me respect it more.

I'm not some bleeding heart hippie, but i do understand the gravity of life and the taking of it. Not easy to watch, but shit happens

 

[Engine 22]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dun shotted lotsa critters that twitched when they's dyin.

Takes em a minute to die... And like X-Fan said, Shit happens. Just remember, Bullets are cheap, emergency room visits for boar maulings are expensive. If I woulda had a 30 round mag, I might have emptied it. Of course, <span style="color: #FF0000">I've seen better charges at the Wal-Mart checkout</span>...</div></div>

Epic!

 

[cmh2007]

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I use a .45ACP on hogs all the time. I shoot Winchester Ranger SXT rounds and i have only had one instance where a hog moved after being hit with the first one. it was about a 140lb hog shot at about 30 yards and it was not a very good shot.

 

[scifri44]

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Wow, horrible shot placement ...

 

[Shoottothrill]

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Raidpower hit it on the head. Killing is messy business. You never know how something will react to being shot. Sometimes one shot one kill, some times it takes ten. I had an old man tell me one time about a grizzly bear had to be shot 14 times with a 30-06 before it died. This guy hunted in Montana all his life.

 

[M_16_4_REAL]

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someone should shoot him in the gut with a hp and then unload a mag of fmj's into him from close range. not an ethical hunter at all. that is why people talk shit about hunters and sportsmen. I'm no pinko liberal don't get me wrong, but that is just disgusting to me.

 

[Bob7608]

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still waiting for PETA to jump all over this

 

[Unknown]

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I have always thought that killing is messy business. I have rarely killed anything that went down clean and peacefully. The 9th posting nailed it as far as I'm concerned: "Killing is messy". I completely agree.

 

[Nathan11B]

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From my point of view what was done here was a poor shot so he could shoot it with his pistol. Unethical and wrong. A 45 acp c'mon really. That was just dumb.