Rifle Scopes GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

[kfgk14]

I need some opinions on this scope. I want to put it on my most recent AR-15 build, a 20" with a fixed stock and Midwest Industries SS-12.
Is the glass clear? does POA change through the magnification range? tunnel-vision issues? Anything else I should watch for?

Thanks.

 

[ponchair]

Re: GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

External Link

Check out the last pages for a few reviews of the 1-6.

 

[koshkin]

Re: GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

They sent me one of these for T&E. I have been using for a bit now, and so far I am very impressed.

This is probably the best general purpose AR-15/M4 scope I have seen to date.

ILya

 

[kfgk14]

Re: GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

Sounds good.
Thanks.

 

[BCP]

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I remember the 1-4 being about 300 or so bucks...what is the price of the 1-6? Any ideas?

 

[koshkin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I remember the 1-4 being about 300 or so bucks...what is the price of the 1-6? Any ideas? </div></div>

1-6x24 is going to be right around $1k. It is a totally different beast though: made in Japan and to a much higher standard.

ILya

 

[LibertyOptics]

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Maybe Ed Verdugo's ship has finally come in. I know he has been working on this project since I started in the biz, with many hurdles and dealings with disingenuous folks along the way. This former Green Beret has designed a truly functional and combat ready reticle and now it looks like it is mated to a scope to match.

Look forward to more details, Ilya.

Scott

 

[KM375]

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When will this 1-6 be ready?

 

[FZJ80]

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Just got off the phone with Ed, this is only the second or third time I've talked to him and I gotta say, he is genuinely one helluva good guy. Good News point #1... The 1-6 is being made by Light Optic in Japan. #2... The 1st batch is all sold but they are expecting more hopefully by the end of September/October. #3... Ed says he is really pleased with the way they are coming out, and I believe him. Retail will be $1025, as he has had to bring on investors to get the scope out all the sales are being handled by a new company formed with the investors called Norden Performance. Im told the gentleman to speak to is named Hinman Dunn for sales etc. I couldn't be happier with the 1-4 I got a while back and definitely have plans for he 1-6 in the near future.
http://nordenperformance.com/
If anyone gets their hands on one before I do I'd really like to hear their impressions.

 

[KM375]

Re: GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

Is this a 1.1 scope? 1.1-6x24?

 

[Bevan]

Re: GRSC 1-6x Combat Rifle Scope?

does it exist with a way less awful reticle

 

[BigJimFish]

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I wrote a review on the GRSC 1-6x a few months ago on AR15.com. I was very impressed. As has been mentioned it is made by a different contractor than the 1-4x and is an example of the best in Japanese optics. The clarity is on par with a Vortex Razor HD. I was particularly impressed with the handling of the huge 6x power increase. I expected to either see some pretty dramatic optical problems or to have exit pupils so small they were useless. This was not the case. The optics were very impressive indeed and the 1x exit pupil was of comparable size to most 1-4x scopes. The 6x exit pupil was just fine as well. Take a look at the review for more details.

GRSC 1-6 Review

As for the reticle, it comes only with Ed's reticle. I believe this to be a superior ranging system for low power primarily close quarter scopes such as this one. Many folks seem to disagree with this assessment preferring a Mil dot style reticle. While the added precision gained from ranging multiple objects with a Mil dot is quite necessary when making 800+ yard shots that precision comes at a cost of time and user ease that is undesirable for shots that are less than 600 yards.

 

[Bevan]

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I've got Leica Geovids I just want a simple reticle. I'd put up with that one if it was daytime visible

 

[Bevan]

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Also I don't shoot people so a reticle based on ranging people's heads is faiiirly useless to me

 

[BigJimFish]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also I don't shoot people so a reticle based on ranging people's heads is faiiirly useless to me</div></div>

I have found the hash marks beside the circles to be quite useful in ranging other targets. Each hash and each gap are 10 inches at the corresponding range. Two correspond nicely to a ground hog (20" long) at the relevant range. They have also proved useful when ranging paper targets as paper targets are almost exclusively made with inch grid lines not cm grid lines. The reticle has far more for non military users than say a shoulder width based ranging reticle. Though Ed designed this scope exclusively with the military in mind I have enjoyed it thoroughly for peaceful purposes. Surprisingly, I find myself using it to range targets even when I have a much higher power Mil-dot present. It's just easier to skip the math when the greater precision afforded by the mil dot is not absolutely required.

 

[DannySeesUSMC]

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BigJimFish, did you get to try any fast 5-50 yards shooting with it?

I think if it is how it seems in those photos (rather invisible) that it needs a make-over to be more visible at 1x without being too huge at 6x. I don't like the idea of a tiny reticle in combat that would be very hard to find on anything other than an immobilized bright target - batteries get low and crap out all the time.

 

[Gunn-Fighter]

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I am also interested in this optic, Is anyone using these for 3 gun?

 

[BigJimFish]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BigJimFish, did you get to try any fast 5-50 yards shooting with it?</div></div>

Interesting that you ask that question. The next test I am planning to add to my reviews will be a CQB test using an airsoft gun to run a course of fire designed to test the scopes close quarters quickness in as difficult a situation as possible. This will include lots of mounting and un-mounting of the rifle, shooting in motion, left to right handed transitions, and less than ideal shooting positions. The idea will be to time each run and to compare each optics time to the time taken with iorn sights. This will provide a quantitative measure of speed for each optic comparable to other optics. I intend to start this test with the 1-8x reviews I will be writing in a few months. Obviously the GRSC 1-6x will be featured as a comparison scope for those reviews and will also have its review updated at that time.

In the mean time, to answer your question, I have run some close quarters drills with it most often using bowling pins. Sometimes I use my .22lr upper and sometimes a full .223. I have been pleased. When I first saw the reticle I also had the impression that it was to small. I was used to the large circle that my CQ/T had and was not sure about the much smaller horseshoe. I was pleasantly surprised. I have found it to be much faster than the CQ/T and, for that matter, all of the other 1-4x class scopes I have reviewed. This is particularly true when illuminated. The 1-6x has surprisingly bright illumination for a ffp scope. Not bright enough for a sunny cloudless day like a red dot or short dot but brighter than I thought a conventional illuminated ffp reticle could be made. While this subjective evaluation is not as useful as my forthcoming objective numbers will be it is the best I can do for now. I for one am very anxious to compare the speed of the GRSC to the 1-8x scopes with a projected dot and perhaps to some red dot scopes if I can round one up locally. These numbers should be very revealing as to the relative importance of dot brightness, reticle design, and exit pupil to close quarters speed.

 

[KM375]

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How is the Testing going with this Scope? I have an upper waiting for an optic.

 

[BigJimFish]

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I've got the test equipment lined up but the 1-8x scopes are not done yet. I thought that rather than wait for the 1-8x scopes I would go ahead and do the first run through with just the scopes I have on hand (CQ/T two GRSC's and a red dot.) The testing will be done at a buddy of mines farm though and we haven't been up in a while. He had his first kid earlier this year and so things have been busy in his life. Since I haven't had the 1-8x scopes and a deadline I haven't pushed the issue. If we go up to the farm before the 1-8x scopes arrive I will test the stuff on hand if not I will push the issue when the 1-8x scopes get here and do it all at once. I don't really have a date to give you though. I doubt it will happen before Christmas though. My guess would be more like early February if we get some weather that's not miserably cold.

 

[KM375]

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Thanks much,

 

[metoojohnjr]

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I received my 1-6x GRSC last week and spent the weekend playing with it. I used the 30mm Warne RAMP mount and I had to move the mount as far forward on the upper receiver as possible to get nose to charging handle. Build quality is excellent, glass is clear and distortion free and the reticle just works. 1 click is 1cm which took some getting used to, but it works. The horseshoe is really small at 1x, but I can still pick it up. The illumination is not bright day visible and like others have mentioned, it does glow red from the front. I had it narrowed down to this or the Swarovski Z6i 1-6x BRT reticle and for the money, I chose the GRSC. I plan to shoot my first match with it this weekend. If it holds zero, I will be a happy camper!

 

[SpinnerRFB]

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I LOVE this scope! Getting 1.5" groups @100yds. VERY easy to use! Over 100rds with my RFB and still holding zero. I use the Bobro mount and have moved it several times without having to re-zero.