not sure i understand how it is okay to knock on a crazy person's door and then kill him when he opens the door with a paintball gun in his hand. who is initiating contact with the crazy kid? if you already know he's crazy, treat him as such.
Edit: Kindly disregard the above comment. Helps to have the volume on...
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I might have missed a memo, but it both looked like the other officer got hit, as well as the radio call stated "officer hit" at the end of the video.
ah so they execute him because he had psych problems.
Never ever call the cops, ever.
Never ever call the cops, ever.
He popped out the door with a pistol pointed at what looks like a female civvie standing on the other side of the peep hole. Maybe she was there to help talk him down. Cops looked pretty relaxed standing there at first. Hard to say..
Invite you to look past the cops, not saying overlook, but past them to the wheels put in motion that create larger numbers of criminals and crazies that then release them out free, unreformed, and untreated in to the public. Somewhere in that mess is the source of the problem that needs fixin.
At the end of the day, no matter how hard some might try to help, some retards need sent back to where they came from.
yeah, my major point is never ever call the cops for any reason at all, ever, if they pull you over minimize contact because you never know what you are getting, a cool dude or a trigger happy easily frightened snowflake with a gun a badge and not subject to the same laws we are.
tell whoever called to get him help to take his ass to the hospital. Cops aint doctors, their pill prescription is usually deadly.
How would you handle it Ryan Scott?
How would you handle it Ryan Scott?
When grammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmar & engliiiiisssshhhhh matters in a gunfight, you'll be relevant,...
Pull your head out of your ass (a couple of you). Frank already warned that needless anti cop sentiment won’t be tolerated.
Cops are the ones sent to check on people like this SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE people like this are so unpredictable and can turn violent in an instant. What if it had been just the neighbor checking on him or an unarmed social worker and he came out shooting? Go ahead, send your wife or mother to check on a few of these guys... I’ll wait.
Saying the guy just answered the door with a paintball gun is both dishonest and stupid. That’s not what happened. He deliberately and intentionally pointed it in a manner consistent with an imminent intent to kill someone. I’m not sure even after replaying it what his gun was and nobody should be expected to figure that out under those circumstances. If you ever have to defend your life you won’t want some idiot with a grudge saying that the guy who shoved a gun in your face was, “just standing there holding it”... Technically true... Deliberately evil to describe it that way.
Lastly, in almost all circumstances, cops ARE under the same laws regarding the use of deadly force as citizens are. Read up on the laws and Supreme Court rulings and you’ll find that’s true.
Tactics... yeah, flame away ? a couple of poor choices there.
Cops are the ones sent to check on people like this SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE people like this are so unpredictable and can turn violent in an instant. What if it had been just the neighbor checking on him or an unarmed social worker and he came out shooting? Go ahead, send your wife or mother to check on a few of these guys... I’ll wait.
Saying the guy just answered the door with a paintball gun is both dishonest and stupid. That’s not what happened. He deliberately and intentionally pointed it in a manner consistent with an imminent intent to kill someone. I’m not sure even after replaying it what his gun was and nobody should be expected to figure that out under those circumstances. If you ever have to defend your life you won’t want some idiot with a grudge saying that the guy who shoved a gun in your face was, “just standing there holding it”... Technically true... Deliberately evil to describe it that way.
Lastly, in almost all circumstances, cops ARE under the same laws regarding the use of deadly force as citizens are. Read up on the laws and Supreme Court rulings and you’ll find that’s true.
Tactics... yeah, flame away ? a couple of poor choices there.
hurter of butthurt feelings, aptly named
He in fact answered the door with a paint ball gun
Cops in fact shot him dead and each other in the process
Looked like a paint ball gun to me immediately, even more so when I went to full screen
Consistent with an imminent threat to kill someone??? with a paint ball gun, do you use that excuse when its a wallet or cell phone???? is that part of the special separate and unequal laws you all operate under???
Its a bad shoot, once again
You sound like the union president her in Houston defending the 5 cops that murdered that couple in their home, screaming for everyone to give up their guns,,, said cops are now getting ready to be indicted.
One cop got overly scared and shot a retard dead, once again.
Cops are not under the same laws as citizens, not at all. If these facts strike you as anti cop then you are the problem. Facts are facts.
One retard dead, the citizens will pay millions to his frikken family, teh cop will get a commendation much like that police chief in Cali who wrongfully imprisoned a family and took their kids away because she lost her goddam gun somewhere.
He in fact answered the door with a paint ball gun
Cops in fact shot him dead and each other in the process
Looked like a paint ball gun to me immediately, even more so when I went to full screen
Consistent with an imminent threat to kill someone??? with a paint ball gun, do you use that excuse when its a wallet or cell phone???? is that part of the special separate and unequal laws you all operate under???
Its a bad shoot, once again
You sound like the union president her in Houston defending the 5 cops that murdered that couple in their home, screaming for everyone to give up their guns,,, said cops are now getting ready to be indicted.
One cop got overly scared and shot a retard dead, once again.
Cops are not under the same laws as citizens, not at all. If these facts strike you as anti cop then you are the problem. Facts are facts.
One retard dead, the citizens will pay millions to his frikken family, teh cop will get a commendation much like that police chief in Cali who wrongfully imprisoned a family and took their kids away because she lost her goddam gun somewhere.
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Lmao... If that were true, this motherfucker would be looking at a death sentence.
Not a $2500/mo disability check.
https://reason.com/2019/07/11/this-...unarmed-man-in-a-hotel-hallway-gave-him-ptsd/
QuickNDirty,
If you spend some time researching actual cases (not just the ones the agenda driven media cherry picks for you) of both citizen and LEO shootings, you’ll find that in almost all cases the laws they operate under and are tried by are the same.
Do lots of cops get cleared? Yeah. That’s because they almost always get it right from a legal standpoint.
Do lots of citizens get cleared? Yeah. The ones that get cleared get cleared for the same reason based on the same laws.
Do some cops screw up and still not get charged? Absolutely. And so do regular citizens. Just like with any other crime, meeting the burden of proof is not always possible. That has nothing to do with cops or citizens, it’s just the law.
If you spend some time researching actual cases (not just the ones the agenda driven media cherry picks for you) of both citizen and LEO shootings, you’ll find that in almost all cases the laws they operate under and are tried by are the same.
Do lots of cops get cleared? Yeah. That’s because they almost always get it right from a legal standpoint.
Do lots of citizens get cleared? Yeah. The ones that get cleared get cleared for the same reason based on the same laws.
Do some cops screw up and still not get charged? Absolutely. And so do regular citizens. Just like with any other crime, meeting the burden of proof is not always possible. That has nothing to do with cops or citizens, it’s just the law.
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I research plenty. What I've seen over the last couple of decades is that justice is not blind, the law does not apply equally to everyone, and some really horrific shit goes unpunished.
Maybe if I researched less, I'd still be at that point in life where I acknowledge that our system isn't perfect, but it's the best in the world.
Today, however, all I see is the future, unabated, and it ain't pretty. Maybe you should research more.
Did some more perusal into the case. The lady in the yellow shirt is a mental health social worker sent to do a wellness check on the resident. So it seems like he had been on a psychotic fit. That would explain the paintball gun...
Some normal person answering the door with a fucking disassembled paintball gun in hand just seems... wrong, from any conceivable angle. If there is a real and legitimate threat outside, what good is that thing gonna do for you? And if your plan was to scare some poor traveling salesman away from your door, well that's one great way to commit suicide by SWAT team. And finally, if shit is so sketchy outside that you must have a weapon in your hand while answering the door, how about DO NOT open the fucking door in the first place? Stand back and verbally assess the situation.
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Maybe someone was fucking with him, but this time when he opened the door it was the cops fucking with him?
QuickNDirty,
In another context I’d agree with every word of your last post.
The rich and politically connected are often above the law, and I agree that the future of this country doesn’t look great.
In another context I’d agree with every word of your last post.
The rich and politically connected are often above the law, and I agree that the future of this country doesn’t look great.
It's always easy to make split second decisions when sitting behind a keyboard.
QuickNDirty,
Then he gets to get shot. Congratulations.
An ordinary citizen wouldn’t know in an instant if that was a real gun or not. So Dumb Shit just put whoever is at the door in a position of being in reasonable fear for their life. Joe salesman would be cleared in an instant for responding accordingly. So really, you’re upset that cops ARE treated the same under the law.
Then he gets to get shot. Congratulations.
An ordinary citizen wouldn’t know in an instant if that was a real gun or not. So Dumb Shit just put whoever is at the door in a position of being in reasonable fear for their life. Joe salesman would be cleared in an instant for responding accordingly. So really, you’re upset that cops ARE treated the same under the law.
It's split second decisions where you will always revent to your lowest level of training. The door way setup was wrong from the get go, that in an of it's self screams lack of training, for all, an most especially the guy in charge.
To be clear, that is correct and the only thing they could've done to make the situation worse was invite a girl scout troop to knock on the door with them.
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Yeah, we're on a bad track. I dunno what the deal is with this case in particular, aside from the fact that Officer A shot officer B through some other guy that didn't take too kindly to someone banging on his door. This, to me, doesn't look anything like what HPD did, or what the asshole in AZ did, or what the officers did in Kansas to the innocent father they murdered on his front porch who had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong, or any of the thousands of other instances of cops fucking up innocent people.
It is, nevertheless, an interesting example of how things can go wrong.
The main takeaway for me is: Don't open the door for people you don't know, and especially not for the police.
Its clearly a paintball gun, the cop that was standing right there was not paying attention then freaked out once his brain registered what appeared to be a gun so he pulled his gun in a panic and shot the shit out of everyone, in front of him. Its right there on video. If the retard fell back into the room his partner would most likely be dead.
Cop who gets shot is clearly paying attention, takes a step back as he registers that there is no real threat and doesn't go for his gun. Go full screen, watch half speed. Cop doing the shooting panicked.
Retard dead, good cop hurt, scaredy cat cop will get paid vacay and a commendation.
Cop who gets shot is clearly paying attention, takes a step back as he registers that there is no real threat and doesn't go for his gun. Go full screen, watch half speed. Cop doing the shooting panicked.
Retard dead, good cop hurt, scaredy cat cop will get paid vacay and a commendation.
Could be. But something triggered a call to police and mental health services though...
There's an awful lot of animus in this thread. Letting a psychotic alone would be irresponsible, and probably legally indefendible. I know that it's hard for some of you to accept, but not all policing is a waste of taxpayers' money.
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At the same time, a lot of folks end up dead for no other reason than they called the cops, or because someone called the cops on them (either legitimately, or illegitimately).
P.S. - FIFY
@Blue Sky Country - People call the cops on people all the time for retarded shit. We live in a day and age where if I picked up the phone and said, "Yeah, this guy over here at 123 XYZ street is acting crazy AF", I could reasonably expect a heavy police presence, even if nothing of the sort had actually taken place.
and then your 911 dispatchers are bottom-feeding fucking retards and have no mental capacity for handling the positions they're in, or the magnitude of the consequences their choices can have.
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nobody said all policing is a waste, just the bad policing.
This was a bad shoot, criminally bad, I dont know, but it was a bad shoot.
how do we know he was a psychotic btw?
This was a bad shoot, criminally bad, I dont know, but it was a bad shoot.
how do we know he was a psychotic btw?
We do have a policing institution that is quite overreaching, often to the detriment of many innocent people and good cops.
If the guy had not demonstrated a clear and valid threat to the safety of others, they should have left him alone.
It's my experience that there are some who simply hate ALL law enforcement because of the reprehensible actions of a few. The "few" should answer for their fuck ups and take what they deserve. Don't paint all LEO's with the same brush and don't tell me someone comes out of a door with something that looks like a lethal weapon and you're going to wait there to find out if it really is.
There's always going to be bad cops just like there'll always be bad anything in any profession but don't write off the rest.
Your approach to the language reminds me of the statisticians.
Two statisticians go bird hunting. The first one fires at the bird but overshoots by 5 feet. The second one fires and undershoots the bird by 5 feet. They both give each other a high-five and say "Got it!"
I hear ya CD, but you see it here every time a bad cop incident happens, I might say something, a few others might point out the bad cops mistakes but then you have the"good" cops reporting us , defending outright murder on fucking video, a dude on his porch murdered on TV, Live fucking TV during a swatting incident, and all the "good cops" defended the killer.
Then you have the incident in Houston, pretty clearly an execution of two home owner husband and wife with no criminal record at all, now appearing to be a cover up that goes all the way to the chief,,,, all the "good cops" here wanting to brush it under the rug.....to the point they complained to Frank where Frank basically said we cant talk about he police anymore, well you cant have it both ways, you are good cops or you are bad cops. There a few cop haters here but 99% of us hang out with cops, and get on just fine, but we have these same conversations with them, why is it on this forum you all complain to frank about the hard conversations instead of using fact to back up your positions.
think of being a cop as a counter insurgency war, because it is, one bad incident erases thousands of good ones,,, complaining about people complaining about that bad incident only increases the number of good incidents being discounted by the population.
Then you have the incident in Houston, pretty clearly an execution of two home owner husband and wife with no criminal record at all, now appearing to be a cover up that goes all the way to the chief,,,, all the "good cops" here wanting to brush it under the rug.....to the point they complained to Frank where Frank basically said we cant talk about he police anymore, well you cant have it both ways, you are good cops or you are bad cops. There a few cop haters here but 99% of us hang out with cops, and get on just fine, but we have these same conversations with them, why is it on this forum you all complain to frank about the hard conversations instead of using fact to back up your positions.
think of being a cop as a counter insurgency war, because it is, one bad incident erases thousands of good ones,,, complaining about people complaining about that bad incident only increases the number of good incidents being discounted by the population.
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Something to consider:
As police are made up of society they are inherently going to reflect the good and bad.
As police are given special authority they should be held to a higher standard than average society.
Obviously some make it that haven't any business carrying a gun/exercising authority.
They and they alone can "police" these elements from their midst.
Information good and bad moves at the speed of light these days.
We are watching.
R
As police are made up of society they are inherently going to reflect the good and bad.
As police are given special authority they should be held to a higher standard than average society.
Obviously some make it that haven't any business carrying a gun/exercising authority.
They and they alone can "police" these elements from their midst.
Information good and bad moves at the speed of light these days.
We are watching.
R
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