Just bite the bullet and get a V3. You can even get used ones regularly here with the 419 kit on em now that the v4 is out. I shoot a lot of ball powder including tac and the v3 does very well once you get it tuned up. Just read about setting it up and have the straw angled a little but Upward and the speed somewhere just shy of the middle point and you will be very close.
I also have a Hornady and ball powder is extremely consistent usually after the first pull after making an adjustment. I usually just pull twice and dump that back and then weigh on the third pull. It’ll stay the same after that.
Same with mine. I check it on my beam scale consistently but it’s never been off enough to bother. I get more than acceptable SD and ES out of my loads as well. I think I paid $150 for mine when I bought it. I just can’t see anything else making me a better shooter.
Been using a plain old RCBS measure that my son purchased for me a couple of decades ago. I can throw powder charges faster than waiting on his electronic powder measurer and trickler and i still weigh the charges on a beam scale anyway. Works great, gets me single digit SD's.
I think there are few and far between that can shoot the difference. Not between those two but between those two and anything below.
Bullshit. Watching your ES/SD drop in half will shrink your WEZ which will result in more hits.
Have to agree on this only, with this fella this time. With all that we spend on glass and guns and bullets, it's insane to me not to use an auto trickler. Save up for it, do what you have to do, but it's sooooo much easier and better. I haven't "upgraded " to the V4 because I don't know what advantage it really gives plus I am on the list for the ingenuity trickler thing which won't work for the v4. Honestly with that new ingenuity, I can't see any reason for me to ever move away from the V3. It's a very worth while investment.
I really don't get the "can't shoot the difference " theory.... we all try to remove every variation we can to arrive at the point where our shots are "all us and not something else ". If getting a more accurate or more consistent load cuts my cone of fire down an inch or 2 in diameter , I have definitely made myself more accurate, regardless of me being able to shoot closer to center of that cone of fire every single time I go out(aka shoot the difference). I have given myself a smaller cone to work within.
I loaded 25 rounds of 6 Creedmoor recently with an AutoTrickler V3, and 25 with a Hornady powder thrower. H4350. The SD of the charges was indeed higher
What are you talking about? Maybe at your retard ranges but come out west where 800 yards is a chip shot and maybe you can learn something.
I loaded 25 rounds of 6 Creedmoor recently with an AutoTrickler V3, and 25 with a Hornady powder thrower. H4350. The SD of the charges was indeed higher for the thrown charges. But both groups had SD 10fps when fired. So there may not always be any benefit to reducing the charge weight variance beyond that of a dropper.
Yes it will. Been there done that. Going from a CM lite with all the upgrades.
Have you done the testing on this? In my personal testing, with thrown with a thrower, vs, a trickler, vs to the kernel on the same loads yielded the same results. A lot of the stuff in reloading is really mental, people like to justify their purchases.
So you don't understand what the tool is for but find it funny?
Hate to tell you this but last year's F Class Nationals champ reloads on a ChargeMaster. To the kernel accuracy loads are not going to make you a top level shooter. There are way too many other variables in shooting for it make a difference that you can tell.
Says the person with over 1k post in 6 months.
Yes I have tested it with a beam scale and vs chargemaster and the V3 is much more consistent, not to mention much easier. I was taught to load on a beam scale so I was partial to that but the results are simply not the same .
Did you test this by shooting the charges or just look at the weights?
I think the other question would be what is the SD at the target with weighed charges.For shiz n' giggles I tested a known accurate load with a small sample (20 rounds) of thrown loads at 1K. No wind holds/corrections, just elevation. Two sighters to find the center. One flyer at 1 O'clock that could be me or thrower tossed .2gr, I don't know. This +/- .1gr load gave an SD of 35fps. According to ballistic calcs, it equals +/- 5 inches.....that's within 1 MOA at 1,000 yds...
Yeah, makes a difference if you are shooting F-class or a 2 MOA steel. But maybe for the average Joe, does .02gr/1 kernel accuracy make a difference? I dunno, people here make it sound like you won't hit the side of a barn......
