Rifle Scopes Hensoldt Glamour Shots and some general info

[Shady_Jay]

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Please note: I have gotten multiple emails about buying one of these scopes from me. I was razzing Jason. I don't have 25 of these scopes in my DeLorean. I apologize for any inconvenience.

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[RADcustom]

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...and you would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids.

Your evil plan backfired.

 

[Shady_Jay]

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I do have five DeLoreans, though.

 

[pupdawg]

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Please note: I have gotten multiple emails about buying one of these scopes from me. I was razzing Jason. I don't have 25 of these scopes in my DeLorean. I apologize for any inconvenience.

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That is some funny sh!t there. Haha.


Now how about some "through the scope" pics please.... all you "hensoldt Whores"

 

[MeridianNW]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nachtadler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread NEEDS to die or else my bank account may suddenly become three grand emptier. </div></div>

Here you go Nachtadler... here is one for sale now...

Seems like you might need a little shove...

 

[BFD711]

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I have a NH1 I am currently selling. Just in case you didn't see it already.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2141197#Post2141197

 

[Nachtadler]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MeridianNW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nachtadler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread NEEDS to die or else my bank account may suddenly become three grand emptier. </div></div>

Here you go Nachtadler... here is one for sale now...

Seems like you might need a little shove...

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Each of those scopes is sooo tempting, but I just can't swing it right now. I have a very large chunk of change hitting my pocket in eight months. Once that happens I suspect it won't take even a breeze to blow me into the Hensoldt camp.

 

[J-Ham]

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There's a camp!?!?

 

[Mike]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm understanding this correctly Hensoldt, S&B and Premier Reticles all have excellent glass and internals. Is one brand significantly better than the others in glass or internals? Or is this more of a status thing? or what exactly?</div></div>

Premier is not in the same category.

 

[JRose]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm understanding this correctly Hensoldt, S&B and Premier Reticles all have excellent glass and internals. Is one brand significantly better than the others in glass or internals? Or is this more of a status thing? or what exactly?</div></div>

Premier is not in the same category. </div></div>

+1...

PR might have figured out S&B's secrets to glass superiority and incorporated it into their scope, but that's where the similarity ends...

 

[dcjs]

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JRose,

our optics designers have decades of combined experience, but they are not former S&B employees, nor did they have to learn any secrets from them. The secret of our glass is of course this guy's pipe, he smokes a special tobacco that, when exhaled on a lens surface, creates the most awesome coatings ever devised by man.

Mechanically, the scopes are a completely independent design, of course within limitations, because there are only so many ways to design the basic components of a riflescope.

Regarding durability, I don't think anyone here has performed any test remotely similar to what the Marine Corps has put those scopes through prior to their acceptance. That of course doesn't make them infallible and whe've had our inevitable share of <span style="font-style: italic">"damn, this should not have happened!"</span> as is the nature of things. Unfortunately, there are factors beyond the reach of engineering know-how that affect whether incidents of failure are shrugged off as inevitable or get perpetuated and translate into a swing of public mood against a company.

 

[JRose]

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David,

Ain't nobody buying the PR smoke and mirrors game. You know the truth behind how the PR got the USMC contract, and there wasn't no "surviving the Marine Corps" involved.

I know of 3 people personally who had PR scopes shit on them, and this was out of a realitively small sample group seeing as this was when the scopes had just came out. Great glass is all good in the hood, but if the thing don't work, it just don't work.

 

[poison123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David,

Ain't nobody buying the PR smoke and mirrors game. You know the truth behind how the PR got the USMC contract, and there wasn't no "surviving the Marine Corps" involved.

I know of 3 people personally who had PR scopes shit on them, and this was out of a realitively small sample group seeing as this was when the scopes had just came out. Great glass is all good in the hood, but if the thing don't work, it just don't work. </div></div>

So what exactly failed on the PRs then?

 

[JRose]

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Parallax adjustment, tracking, QL tabs on the turret, and POI shift on the 5-25 When you adjusted power setting.

 

[poison123]

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Interesting never had any of those issues on mine.

The hate reminds me of this classic thread:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1436006&page=1

 

[dcjs]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David,

Ain't nobody buying the PR smoke and mirrors game. You know the truth behind how the PR got the USMC contract, and there wasn't no "surviving the Marine Corps" involved.</div></div>
I'm sorry that I'm running out of politness here, but that is flat out bullshit. Premier has held "the contract" continuously (since 2005 if I'm not mistaken), and in 2009, there was a test of ten units of the Heritage done by the Corps before the engineering change protocol was approved.

I don't even know what else you are trying to imply took place instead. Please post some evidence if you are making claims to the contrary.

 

[deadly0311]

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Since this thread has gotten so far off the Hensoldt path, ill chime in. The Premier Reticles orginal scope was a SB 3-12, now as that contract was filled, Premier requested a modification to the contract or Engineering Design Change, which they were granted circa SHOT Show last year. Nothing was tested, it was the design change which was approved, and stated something along the lines of Premier would replace an unservicable or destroyed SB 3-12 with a PH 3-15.

 

[JRose]

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No hate. If PR scopes are working for you, buy 15 of them. Just throwing it out there because you asked.

 

[poison123]

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Indeed I did. I look at this like most things on here...just another flavor of the week.

 

[EventHorizon]

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Oh please, not this bullshit again. People still judging the PH scopes made today by the first batch that came out. Total bollocks and purely an axe to grind agenda as opposed to any good faith intent in answering the OP's question.

If you want to know the reliability of the PH scopes then ask Scott at Liberty Optics or Mike at CSTactical how many they've had to accept returns from and if they're so shit why they still happily stock them?

I've had the PH and now have a Hensoldt. The PH is a total tank, fantastic glass and worked just fine when it was tested. I went with a Hensoldt purely because of the ease of sight picture, smaller build and for me, it made shooting a lot easier and more fun.

 

[JRose]

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Well, while I'll agree that the flavor of the week factor definitly exsists here, I feel S&B and Hensoldt's LONG track record of quality and dependability speaks for itself. After all, how many times has PR change ownership in it's very short run of being a scope maker? I chose a Hensoldt scope for the proven quality and dependability of the Zeiss name. I also own a S&B for the same reasons. If that's enjoying the flavor of the week, than I feel I have a few of those Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Everlasting Gobstoppers.

 

[Mike]

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May I remind everyone this is a Hensoldt thread. If it starts deteriorating into a PR bashing thread, it's going away. Now back on track.

 

[deadly0311]

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a testament to the reliablity of a Hensoldt, in the 2 years that we have been doing this we have never had one come back for a mechanical defect or failure. Cosmetic issues, yes, mechanical, no.

I can assure you that there is no axe to grind here anymore.

 

[dcjs]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing was tested, ...</div></div>
Again, this is bullshit. Do you honestly want to make people believe that the USMC would adopt a new sniper scope just based on a casual look at the drawings? Please post some evidence if you are making such claims.

 

[JRose]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing was tested, ...</div></div>
Again, this is bullshit. Do you honestly want to make people believe that the USMC would adopt a new sniper scope just based on a casual look at the drawings? Please post some evidence if you are making such claims.
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Burden of proof is on you... How do you prove something wasn't done? You're the one claiming B.S., YOU produce proof that they were... PR has no problem waiving around the contract, lets see the rest.

 

[deadly0311]

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David,

You and I have discussed this pretty in depth. No need to rehash that here. But my question to you is, why in every Zeiss thread that is about Hensoldts do you feel the need to interject some witty comment trying to take a shot at the scope? Do you see myself or Nathan coming into Premier threads and saying something about Hensoldt scopes? NOPE.

So why come into a Hensoldt thread and start this?

 

[popeye089]

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Everyone here really needs to get back to the actual thread subject at hand. Everyone here has there favorite brands be it for different reasons. Some are personal preferences, some are professional interests and some are capitalostic interests. Whatever your reasons are for loving or hating brand x versus brand y, please with all due respect.... STFU and get back to the subject at hand. Remember that we are all supposed to be professionals and if you are not a hensoldt fan then leave this post alone.

 

[dcjs]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... Do you see myself or Nathan coming into Premier threads and saying something about Hensoldt scopes? NOPE.

So why come into a Hensoldt thread and start this? </div></div>
If you read my posts carefully, you will notice that I was responding to a claim about Premier scopes, whatever that claim was doing in a Hensoldt thread in the first place I don't know. I'd be more than happy if this part of the thread could be split from the rest because it is obviously off topic.

JRose, I don't feel burdened at all to disprove the claim that that the USMC would accept a major design change to such a critical piece of equipment as a sniper scope without a full test and evaluation. That is flat out ridiculous.

 

[pupdawg]

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Ok fellas lets get back on topic:



How about some "through the scope" pictures of the Hensoldts! YAY!


Come on guys SEND IT.

 

[hochung]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed I did. I look at this like most things on here...just another flavor of the week. </div></div>

But you have to admit to the possibility of one tasting better than the other.

 

[jasonk]

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And.....in the interest of getting the thread back on track.

Some 308 and 4-16x56 goodness:

 

[jasonk]

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And the 308 w/ a 3-12x56.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok fellas lets get back on topic:

How about some "through the scope" pictures of the Hensoldts! YAY!

Come on guys SEND IT.

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This is at a range in SoCal (Angeles Range) on a hot Summer day. There was virtually no wind as witnessed by the dust rising straight up in the air from a bullet hitting the 100yd berm on the left hand side. In the center of the pic is a white rock face, it's almost 1,000yds away exactly.

Here is that same rock as viewed on 12x through a Hensoldt 3-12X56 FFP

I've been behind PH, SB and obviously Hensoldt. By far and away, the best optic for ease of site picture, eye relief and comfort to shoot with for prolonged periods is the Hensoldt. It's not perfect, the turrets have a weird issue where the first click (regardless of where you are on the turret) is not a defined click but a bit of a mush but after that, every click is solid and audible. It's something I was told would change with time and I'm ok with that.

Here's another one at a distance of about 1,200yds on 3x (I think)

and now on 12x

And now a proper porn shot

 

[DesertMonkey]

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Jason,

Those are some great looking pics!

Looking forward to hear what you think of the 3-12.

Cheers,
DM

 

[savage110]

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Jason. those two are amazing! Now quit holding back ad mount the other two up and take some family photos haha

 

[pupdawg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok fellas lets get back on topic:

How about some "through the scope" pictures of the Hensoldts! YAY!

Come on guys SEND IT.

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This is at a range in SoCal (Angeles Range) on a hot Summer day. There was virtually no wind as witnessed by the dust rising straight up in the air from a bullet hitting the 100yd berm on the left hand side. In the center of the pic is a white rock face, it's almost 1,000yds away exactly.

Here is that same rock as viewed on 12x through a Hensoldt 3-12X56 FFP

I've been behind PH, SB and obviously Hensoldt. By far and away, the best optic for ease of site picture, eye relief and comfort to shoot with for prolonged periods is the Hensoldt. It's not perfect, the turrets have a weird issue where the first click (regardless of where you are on the turret) is not a defined click but a bit of a mush but after that, every click is solid and audible. It's something I was told would change with time and I'm ok with that.

Here's another one at a distance of about 1,200yds on 3x (I think)

and now on 12x

And now a proper porn shot

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Jesus.... ok maybe you shouldn't have posted "through the scope" pics.... haha

 

[B.Bates]

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calling first dibs on the htg when it goes up


we all know jason has add

 

[EventHorizon]

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Pupdawg,

It is 'wood' worthy for sure, but the truth is, my photography skills are very sub-par, the actual sight picture is much brighter (I'd say a good 20%). The other point to make is that with the pic showing the 1,000yds to the rock face, you hardly see any mirage. It was a hot day, across open 'baked' terrain with no wind and the scope just made it seem like a nice 65 degrees. Serious business.

 

[hochung]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... my photography skills are very sub-par, the actual sight picture is much brighter ...</div></div>

in that case, would you mind if I checked out your scope in person? When will you be at Angeles again?

 

[EventHorizon]

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lol - you're the second member who's asked this question. I'm going to try and be at Angeles the same time as Ilya will be when he checks our Jason's 4-16 scope (mine's 3-12) so I'll give you both a heads up as soon as I get a time.

I warn you, I've had guys with S&Bs/Leupys/NFs etc, look through this scope and they usually go off muttering bitterly under their breath... one of them just said, "no way!"

 

[hochung]

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Cool. Please keep me posted. I'd love to check out the various Hensoldt scopes. I need to hit Angeles soon, as I just got a new rifle/scope.

I'll bring my camera and take lots of photos to share.

 

[JGilesEastTx]

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Damn I wan't one of these when I get rid of my lowly diavari

 

[jbell]

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Jasonk I would like to thank you for taking the time to give me some first hand info on the Hensoldts , and I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. I am going to have the 6-24x72 at some point.

 

[J-Ham]

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jbell, I see you're going to start small and work your way up.

 

[jbell]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jbell, I see you're going to start small and work your way up.

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I wish you could say that , I have just had everything else and realy miss my Diavaris that I have had in the past. So now its just time to learn from all my trading and buying and selling. Its like my favorite target action maker says "buy the best and cry once". After MANY years I have finaly decided to just get what works for me and stay with it. So any one who is starting out learn form me and the many others who have done the same thing , go big or go home its always cheeper in the end. Beware of the man w/ 1 gun.

 

[JGilesEastTx]

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Infinity to that comment

 

[bm11]

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I do believe TucsonDave is about to eat some crow: http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2152800#Post2152800

 

[mdmp5]

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6-24x56 on top of a R700 300WM, Near Alphamount

4-16x56 on a TRG42 338LM, another Alphamount

Same rifle before I gave it the final paint job, but this time with a Shark JAWS suppressor

 

[poison123]

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I hate you all....and really Hate Deadly.


<---Just mounted his Henny and looked through it.

 

[deadly0311]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate you all....and really Hate Deadly.


<---Just mounted his Henny and looked through it. </div></div>

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