Hi , from NZ

In reguards to Freedom , not so good , we have a GovT knee gerk reaction to a shooting here , so long story short , all semi-auto rifles are banned , and owners will hand them in , maybe a buy back ? , thats all semi's except . 22lr .
If I could I would move to the USA in a heart beat , we have no rights in New Zealand , just privledges , so they can be removed anytime they want .
Please no silly advice to refuse to hand them it , this is real world , I have a family & kids , and I will not like it , but will hand them in , it will be like your suppressor laws , how many break that law in the US ? , not many .

Later Chris
 
In reguards to Freedom , not so good , we have a GovT knee gerk reaction to a shooting here , so long story short , all semi-auto rifles are banned , and owners will hand them in , maybe a buy back ? , thats all semi's except . 22lr .
If I could I would move to the USA in a heart beat , we have no rights in New Zealand , just privledges , so they can be removed anytime they want .
Please no silly advice to refuse to hand them it , this is real world , I have a family & kids , and I will not like it , but will hand them in , it will be like your suppressor laws , how many break that law in the US ? , not many .

Later Chris
When you turn em in, only give them what is considered a Firearm. Not sure how your definitions differ from ours. If you have to give them the whole thing.....make sure the barrels are filled with concrete so they can’t then keep the guns for themselves to one day use against you.
 
Yes , the GovT is at the moment a left wing type , like your Dems , our prime minister just said , Ban them all , no thought or tolerance to law abiding owners at all , and no idea she was givng away some peoples Freedom ( and this before she knew the causes ) , the left donot recognise Freedom or realise how truelly important it is for all people .They are arrognant and think they always know instinctively what is BEST , and they have never frought for it and have had Freedom handed to them , like a in-hertinance .
Actually funny thing , is the legal beagles , said Whoa , you cant just take peoples stuff , thats not right , YOU have to pay for IT , they actually thought they could Ban & seize stuff at NO cost to the GovT , so when they where told that , they estimated it would be 100-200 Million tops , Opps someones NOT good at Maths , actual non-GovT estimates are 1-2 Billion , and we all know estimates are usually lower than reality .

In reguards to how the Aussie got a firearms licence , seems he slipped thru the gaps , the normal vetting was not done right , a arms officer talks to YOU , and 2 refe;s , one related , one not , and they interview at home & check the safe etc , also you get run thru the Police computer to see if you have a criminal history , and based on that they issue or decline the firearms licence .
He had no family/relation in NZ , they used 2 friends , that knew him just thru internet chat rooms , and they phoned them & did not meet them , & instead of interview at home , he changed it to , at work , all these things should have raised alarm bells . Also you need to know that the actual number of firearm officers where being cut to almost nothing/sacked , and a centerilised vetting being brought it at the time .
What I have just said above is from a former Policeman , head of firearms , and you will NOT hear it or see IT in mainstream news EVER , as it does not FIT with thier fairy dust utopia view of the World .

Over 250,000 law abiding gun owners have been sold done the creek , on the alter of pretend safety & fixing the problem , instead of admitting the main reason it happened is because a bad guy did IT , and Police did not Vet him correctly according to thier SOP etc .
This will cost our small poor country money we donot really have , and it will be 1-2 Billion & more on going .

Whats particularly galling is , when they changed the law , they said donot go out and have a last shoot , as even thats illegal now , its for public safety , at 6pm on the day of the incident ( happening 1-2pm approx ) , they Police did not lower the security status , knowing that the threat was over , and there was no others ( terrorist group/people ) and that he was lone shooter .
So that high alert status is still in effect , 6 weeks after shooting , in NZ Police have access to guns , But as a general rule donot carry , and if they do its to a actual callout , this is for our safety , Yeah its NOT , their is NO threat past 6pm , 15th March .
This is over compensation , knee gerk ,But its much worse than that , as IF the GovT / Police & intelligance agency seriously think we are at risk , IT shows just how wrong & incompitent they truelly are .

Not letting the guys go out and a last final shoot , shows there vinditive nature towards shooters , we have been Demonised in the press , all the while WE did noting wrong , I think we shooters have been surprised at the lack or others standing up for us , the buy back is not because the Legal beagles value freedom & fairness , its just a point of property Law to them nothing else .

Sorry for the rant , you will understand we shooters feel we are being punished for the actions of another .

Later Chris
 
Yes , the GovT is at the moment a left wing type , like your Dems , our prime minister just said , Ban them all , no thought or tolerance to law abiding owners at all , and no idea she was givng away some peoples Freedom ( and this before she knew the causes ) , the left donot recognise Freedom or realise how truelly important it is for all people .They are arrognant and think they always know instinctively what is BEST , and they have never frought for it and have had Freedom handed to them , like a in-hertinance .
Actually funny thing , is the legal beagles , said Whoa , you cant just take peoples stuff , thats not right , YOU have to pay for IT , they actually thought they could Ban & seize stuff at NO cost to the GovT , so when they where told that , they estimated it would be 100-200 Million tops , Opps someones NOT good at Maths , actual non-GovT estimates are 1-2 Billion , and we all know estimates are usually lower than reality .

In reguards to how the Aussie got a firearms licence , seems he slipped thru the gaps , the normal vetting was not done right , a arms officer talks to YOU , and 2 refe;s , one related , one not , and they interview at home & check the safe etc , also you get run thru the Police computer to see if you have a criminal history , and based on that they issue or decline the firearms licence .
He had no family/relation in NZ , they used 2 friends , that knew him just thru internet chat rooms , and they phoned them & did not meet them , & instead of interview at home , he changed it to , at work , all these things should have raised alarm bells . Also you need to know that the actual number of firearm officers where being cut to almost nothing/sacked , and a centerilised vetting being brought it at the time .
What I have just said above is from a former Policeman , head of firearms , and you will NOT hear it or see IT in mainstream news EVER , as it does not FIT with thier fairy dust utopia view of the World .

Over 250,000 law abiding gun owners have been sold done the creek , on the alter of pretend safety & fixing the problem , instead of admitting the main reason it happened is because a bad guy did IT , and Police did not Vet him correctly according to thier SOP etc .
This will cost our small poor country money we donot really have , and it will be 1-2 Billion & more on going .

Whats particularly galling is , when they changed the law , they said donot go out and have a last shoot , as even thats illegal now , its for public safety , at 6pm on the day of the incident ( happening 1-2pm approx ) , they Police did not lower the security status , knowing that the threat was over , and there was no others ( terrorist group/people ) and that he was lone shooter .
So that high alert status is still in effect , 6 weeks after shooting , in NZ Police have access to guns , But as a general rule donot carry , and if they do its to a actual callout , this is for our safety , Yeah its NOT , their is NO threat past 6pm , 15th March .
This is over compensation , knee gerk ,But its much worse than that , as IF the GovT / Police & intelligance agency seriously think we are at risk , IT shows just how wrong & incompitent they truelly are .

Not letting the guys go out and a last final shoot , shows there vinditive nature towards shooters , we have been Demonised in the press , all the while WE did noting wrong , I think we shooters have been surprised at the lack or others standing up for us , the buy back is not because the Legal beagles value freedom & fairness , its just a point of property Law to them nothing else .

Sorry for the rant , you will understand we shooters feel we are being punished for the actions of another .

Later Chris
No apologies necessary. We feel for you in the US.
 
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Yes , the GovT is at the moment a left wing type , like your Dems , our prime minister just said , Ban them all , no thought or tolerance to law abiding owners at all , and no idea she was givng away some peoples Freedom ( and this before she knew the causes ) , the left donot recognise Freedom or realise how truelly important it is for all people .They are arrognant and think they always know instinctively what is BEST , and they have never frought for it and have had Freedom handed to them , like a in-hertinance .
Actually funny thing , is the legal beagles , said Whoa , you cant just take peoples stuff , thats not right , YOU have to pay for IT , they actually thought they could Ban & seize stuff at NO cost to the GovT , so when they where told that , they estimated it would be 100-200 Million tops , Opps someones NOT good at Maths , actual non-GovT estimates are 1-2 Billion , and we all know estimates are usually lower than reality .

In reguards to how the Aussie got a firearms licence , seems he slipped thru the gaps , the normal vetting was not done right , a arms officer talks to YOU , and 2 refe;s , one related , one not , and they interview at home & check the safe etc , also you get run thru the Police computer to see if you have a criminal history , and based on that they issue or decline the firearms licence .
He had no family/relation in NZ , they used 2 friends , that knew him just thru internet chat rooms , and they phoned them & did not meet them , & instead of interview at home , he changed it to , at work , all these things should have raised alarm bells . Also you need to know that the actual number of firearm officers where being cut to almost nothing/sacked , and a centerilised vetting being brought it at the time .
What I have just said above is from a former Policeman , head of firearms , and you will NOT hear it or see IT in mainstream news EVER , as it does not FIT with thier fairy dust utopia view of the World .

Over 250,000 law abiding gun owners have been sold done the creek , on the alter of pretend safety & fixing the problem , instead of admitting the main reason it happened is because a bad guy did IT , and Police did not Vet him correctly according to thier SOP etc .
This will cost our small poor country money we donot really have , and it will be 1-2 Billion & more on going .

Whats particularly galling is , when they changed the law , they said donot go out and have a last shoot , as even thats illegal now , its for public safety , at 6pm on the day of the incident ( happening 1-2pm approx ) , they Police did not lower the security status , knowing that the threat was over , and there was no others ( terrorist group/people ) and that he was lone shooter .
So that high alert status is still in effect , 6 weeks after shooting , in NZ Police have access to guns , But as a general rule donot carry , and if they do its to a actual callout , this is for our safety , Yeah its NOT , their is NO threat past 6pm , 15th March .
This is over compensation , knee gerk ,But its much worse than that , as IF the GovT / Police & intelligance agency seriously think we are at risk , IT shows just how wrong & incompitent they truelly are .

Not letting the guys go out and a last final shoot , shows there vinditive nature towards shooters , we have been Demonised in the press , all the while WE did noting wrong , I think we shooters have been surprised at the lack or others standing up for us , the buy back is not because the Legal beagles value freedom & fairness , its just a point of property Law to them nothing else .

Sorry for the rant , you will understand we shooters feel we are being punished for the actions of another .

Later Chris

Sounds just like California to me
 
Pretty much sums up the situation here sadly, NZ is not the place it was. I would move to the US in a heartbeat but at 48 I think I would be too old to be considered for citizenship.
Chris has not mentioned that his very accurate description of what has happened so far is only the first of 3 stages of amendments to the laws here. Not to mention all the virtue signaling by all and sundry. For example NZ Customs will not clear legally imported firearms or relate parts as NZ Post and other courier companies have decided not to ship/deliver them
 
Hi Guys ,

Laws have just passed a few days ago , so its 2 years for having a part , ie magazine , BCG , , 5 years for a rifle , 7 years for having a rifle & showing it to someone , 10 years for having a rifle & resisting arrest .
As a example , in the UK , its 2 years for a pistol .