Just because that is the definition of co-morbidity does not, of course, mean that people shouldn't be more vigilant about their health. I am a firm believer that everybody should try to be in better shape tomorrow than they were yesterday. They should be concerned about body fat, blood glucose, blood lipids etc. I don't want to diminish that as much as I wanted to make the point that most Americans sadly fall into the category of multiple comorbidities. It is sad, and it is a good lesson that when people talk about that shit, they aren't talking about some fictional American, but about most Americans.After consulting several medical dictionaries. I gladly concur with you that the current definition of co-morbidities is any existing disease that can worsen the outcome of a new disease. That goes beyond the traditional killers like cancer, COPD, CHF, etc. and makes sense from a perspective of risk assessment in an acute setting. Thanks you for broadening my horizon.
As far as expected lifetime and remaining quality of life is concerned, I agree with Dr. Malone, that we should use the vaccines globally to protect our elders. We stand culturally on their shoulders and that is even more relevant in less industrialized countries where these elders are instrumental in local governance.
Dr. Malone recommended in a recent interview the following four-pronged approach:
There is not much of a logical argument you can make against these suggestions, considering the data we have today. However, it is pretty obvious which monetary or power goals would motivate someone to demonize or censor these suggestions.
- Offer vaccines globally to older people, especially those with additional risk factors
- Provide (and authorize) early treatment kits
- Offer at-home test that are biased for positives, followed up with a more specific test to determine when early treatment is advised
- Create mobile apps for individual risk assessment to counter the "fear porn"
Concerning the mandates it is important to note that not only "a bunch of people feel discriminated against" but every single person has lost a portion of their liberties. That makes it so disturbing when people who took the vax then shame and persecute those who made a different choice. They do not realize that their compliance will lead to more infringements for ALL. I quoted Dietrich Bonhoeffers poem in reply to one of your other posts, so you know the case I am making.
BTW: Adolf would be jealous if he could see what's going on today. Instead of a religious minority, a substantial portion of the US workers is currently threatened with loosing their livelihoods. Being checked whether the cup you are holding has coffee in it so you are authorized to take your mask off for drinking is the reality today in Australia. And the people who orchestrate this takeover of the free world didn't even have to invade other countries to get everyone under their boot.
My feeling is slightly different than Dr. Malone's in that I think that people should make their own decisions about vaccination, but that it is worthwhile noting that herd immunity is more costly than vaccinated immunity as far as bad outcomes, and that when dealing with outbreaks we are not dealing with discrete probabilities but contingent ones. In other words, if one person dies in a neighborhood from a car crash, that doesn't raise the probability for others in the neighborhood, but with a disease, as one person dies in an area, the risks do rise, albeit in a small way, for others. So with those things in mind, I think getting vaccinated makes sense, as I have said. But, I don't really care if somebody else makes a different decision, or finds other analyses more convincing. I think I have been pretty consistent on this the whole time.
As to the mandates, I agree with you that they are diminishing of liberty, and that they are bad. I am fortunate in that my state was the first to disallow any mandates, so it is not hard for me to avoid frequenting mandated businesses. I won't travel to states with them, in sympathy, or in annoyance or some mix of the two. You can be sure I will not shame anybody for not being vaccinated. I reserve the right to shame people for saying thing that I think are stupid or harmful.
I note the Bonhoeffer poem, though as somebody who lost a lot of family to the Holocaust, I cannot tell you that I endorse the comparison in any way. I firmly believe that two things can be awful, but not similarly awful, and I prefer to reserve Holocaust comparisons to things like the Holodomor, Pol Pot and other mass genocides. That is a personal stance for me. I don't get too offended by what I see as gratuitous use of the Holocaust, I just don't think it is a great comparison.