high level vaccine skeptics

[Long_Action]

I find it interesting that even on a site like the Hide, people are going toe to toe talking about this BS. When you opened a history book, or were taught in school, it was explained that those in the past were bad people. You were conditioned to believe that people today are much, much better, and the Civil War, Wounded Knee, Waco, Nazism, French Revolution, etc were due to horrible people. I'm going to let you all in on a little secret, horrible people still exist today, and your great grandchildren will learn that they Governed Us!

Take the vaccine, don't take the vaccine..... the choice is up to you. It has been 2 years since I have seen my parents, because they think I will kill them. I refuse to get the Jab, or let my 14 year old take it. My wife has refused it as well, though it was her choice. The choice is up to you, as that is what Freedom is all about. Just remember that Government is a Machine, and the people at the top, are most likely bad people. Customs, culture, and beliefs change, but people do not.

I believe that the United States is stuck somewhere between "Let Them Eat Cake" and "It's For Your Safety". The only difference currently between the US and Australia is...... maybe 1 or 2 Amendments? Take the Jab, or don't, the choice is up to you. Just ask yourself, Why the Government is pushing it so hard on our children, when mortality rates are almost non existent?

“A man's greatest joy is crushing his enemies.”
― Genghis Khan

 

[Inifinty]

A hospital did this.

Bunch of pussies even with shots in their arms.

You all suck for not standing in the breach for truth.

Some are speaking out and treating outside the narrative. Awesome physicians that truly care about people they treat. But the majority of those remaining need pull their head out of fearing for your jobs and licenses.

Heros my ass.

MCH addresses social media post of girl with bag over her head taken in their hospital

The original post has been shared on Facebook over 1,000 times.

www.google.com

 

[armorpl8chikn]

the same kind of fuckers killed my mother last year. they refused to do anything except put her on oxygen and then allowed her to suffocate because they would not treat her effectively. it's almost like they *wanted* to kill off the older generation and then capitalize on the turmoil to inject shit into the rest of the population. When the rest of the population didnt comply willingly, the politicians and bureaucrat's disguises came off and Nazi armbands went on. fuck them, fuck their brainless woke apologists, and fuck all the Dr Mengeles they own, who apparently have so much time on their hands that it seems their real job is to repeat the bullshit all over social media to promulgate the shot.

Your story, and many like them is why I am extremely pissed off. I am sorry for your loss and ALL the others like them.

I'm gonna tell my story again, albeit brief. They killed my mother with their fucking propaganda.
In January of 2020 the doctor said my mother was the healthiest 86 year old hed ever seen.
From February till November, she was terrified to even leave her house. She WAS exposed to Covid by me, her grandchildren, and my wife. She never had a sniffle as far as I know. I tried many times to convince her to get the fuck out of that house and live like she always had lived.
She died on 11/29/20 of congestive heart failure. You know what happens to previously active 86yr olds who sit in a house all day afraid to go anywhere? Fear of living is a quick killer of the elderly.

Payday is coming.

 

[Baron23]

Keep thinking you know it all.

And you got that from my two somewhat (IMO) humorous posts, your resentments toward the medical profession notwithstanding?

And while I agree that Dr are certainly not infallible and patients absolutely need to actively question and participate in medical decisions, to my mind they are…as a group…more credible than a bunch of swinging dicks on a rifle forum. Just me I guess.

And I have zero idea what TV show that pic comes from. I don’t wTch TV very much and don’t watch any series at all.

Have a great day

 

[Rthur]

Couple questions for the MDs.
What is your stance on the borders not being closed/sealed?
What is your stance on those who've been exempted from taking the jab?
What are your thoughts on natural immunity/covid experienced patients?

R

 

[Darayavaus]

Oh God. This fuckstain again....

thank you for saying what we've all been thinking.

 

[theLBC]

my "personal" opinions have almost nothing to do with my postings on the subject.
the things i post in conflict with the administration's propaganda come from doctors, not from me.

what i have posted anecdotally is that my marathon running brother is one of many that had a stroke days after being vaccinated.
professionally i will say that as somebody that works for a hc company with modalities in 42 states, the difference in outcomes is shockingly different depending on how patients are treated (or not treated) when first reporting the illness or testing positive. some places do nothing and the results are not good, while providers that prescribe or recommend some form of therapeutics (including hcq or ivm) have drastically better outcomes. this is just my personal observation.

choid thinks this MD is "extreme", but many others agree and are being attacked by the money,

Dr. Peter McCullough 'Therapeutic Nihilism And Untested Novel Therapies' | AAPS

Peter McCullough speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on October 2, 2021.

rumble.com

 

[theLBC]

And you got that from my two somewhat (IMO) humorous posts, your resentments toward the medical profession notwithstanding?

And while I agree that Dr are certainly not infallible and patients absolutely need to actively question and participate in medical decisions, to my mind they are…as a group…more credible than a bunch of swinging dicks on a rifle forum. Just me I guess.

And I have zero idea what TV show that pic comes from. I don’t wTch TV very much and don’t watch any series at all.

Have a great day

oh to be sure, i have nothing but respect for the profession that got kickbacks to get millions of americans addicted to opioids.
do you think that was just a few "doctors" and pharmacies?
how many have died from this?
but trust doctors, right?

 

[Choid]

my "personal" opinions have almost nothing to do with my postings on the subject.
the things i post in conflict with the administration's propaganda come from doctors, not from me.

what i have posted anecdotally is that my marathon running brother is one of many that had a stroke days after being vaccinated.

choid thinks this MD is "extreme", but many others agree and are being attacked by the money,

Dr. Peter McCullough 'Therapeutic Nihilism And Untested Novel Therapies' | AAPS

Peter McCullough speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on October 2, 2021.

rumble.com

For the record, I didn't say he was extreme. I said he took the most extreme stance of the doctors mentioned in the article, but that his stance was moderate compared to the inanities on here.

 

[Baron23]

oh to be sure, i have nothing but respect for the profession that got kickbacks to get millions of americans addicted to opioids.
do you think that was just a few "doctors" and pharmacies?
how many have died from this?
but trust doctors, right?

Haha…seems to be another reading comprehension issue at play here as your reply to me seems like a complete non sequitur as I still don’t see where I ever suggested blindly following whatever any Dr says. But again, they sure do, as a group, strike me as enormously more credible wrt medical issues than a bunch of guys meeting on a rifle forum.

But that’s ok…if you are ever having an MI, you go ahead and call a gunsmith! Lol

have a great day…me, I’m heading out to shoot.

 

[theLBC]

Haha…seems to be another reading comprehension issue at play here as your reply to me seems like a complete non sequitur as I still don’t see where I ever suggested blindly following whatever any Dr says. But again, they sure do, as a group, strike me as enormously more credible wrt medical issues than a bunch of guys meeting on a rifle forum.

But that’s ok…if you are ever having an MI, you go ahead and call a gunsmith! Lol

have a great day…me, I’m heading out to shoot.

i wasn't attacking your statement, so sorry if it seemed that way. i was just using it to continue my ranting.

have fun!

 

[chrome]

Couple questions for the MDs.
What is your stance on the borders not being closed/sealed?
What is your stance on those who've been exempted from taking the jab?
What are your thoughts on natural immunity/covid experienced patients?

R

My personal thoughts:

1.) If we truly cared about the pandemic, we would either dramatically reduce the inflow of ANYONE into the country, or mandate 100% vax compliance for those coming in, and/or force vaccinations at the border.

2.) Exemptions, whatever they are/will be, should be applied equally to society, and not reserved only for the elite class.

3.) I've done clinical work at 80+ different hospitals in my career over the last 15+ years, which has required me to get credentialed through the hospital's medical staffing privileging process. Leading up to MAR 2020, for some reason, I was able to get credentialed by showing various medical documents, to include: proof of immunization OR demonstration of immunity via blood titers drawn.

For some reason, demonstration of immunity post MAR 2020 has become an extremely taboo question and process.

 

[theLBC]

For the record, I didn't say he was extreme. I said he took the most extreme stance of the doctors mentioned in the article, but that his stance was moderate compared to the inanities on here.

you mean people that believe fauci did knowingly fund GoF that lead to this?
seems pretty believable to me.
as for whether this is some sort of planned out thing...these days all the "crazy" conspiracy theories seem to be coming true.
10 years ago i would never have believed the doj, fbi, cia, state department and others would conspire to frame a sitting president, but here we are.

 

[Rthur]

My personal thoughts:

1.) If we truly cared about the pandemic, we would either dramatically reduce the inflow of ANYONE into the country, or mandate 100% vax compliance for those coming in, and/or force vaccinations at the border.

2.) Exemptions, whatever they are/will be, should be applied equally to society, and to reserved only for the elite class.

3.) I've done clinical work at 80+ different hospitals in my career over the last 15+ years, which has required me to get credentialed through the hospital's medical staffing privileging process. Leading up to MAR 2020, for some reason, I was able to get credentialed by showing various medical documents, to include: proof of immunization OR demonstration of immunity via blood titers drawn.

For some reason, demonstration of immunity post MAR 2020 has become an extremely taboo question and process.

I may not understand your reply on #2.
What is meant by "reserved only for the elite class"?

R

 

[chrome]

I may not understand your reply on #2.
What is meant by reserved only for the elite class?

R

The example that comes to mind for me is how Hollywood has been given massive exemptions over the last 18 months, exemptions from lock downs, exemptions from social distancing, and then cities that instituted vaccine passports made exemptions for "entertainers" (NYC and LA come to mind for these).

 

[theLBC]

and not

 

[Rthur]

The example that comes to mind for me is how Hollywood has been given massive exemptions over the last 18 months, exemptions from lock downs, exemptions from social distancing, and then cities that instituted vaccine passports made exemptions for "entertainers" (NYC and LA come to mind for these).

So I gather you oppose any and all exemptions for celebrities and politicians?

R

 

[chrome]

So I gather you oppose any and all exemptions for celebrities and politicians?

R

"2.) Exemptions, whatever they are/will be, should be applied equally to society, and not reserved only for the elite class."

Typo above, it should read" not

 

[oneshot86]

Your story, and many like them is why I am extremely pissed off. I am sorry for your loss and ALL the others like them.

I'm gonna tell my story again, albeit brief. They killed my mother with their fucking propaganda.
In January of 2020 the doctor said my mother was the healthiest 86 year old hed ever seen.
From February till November, she was terrified to even leave her house. She WAS exposed to Covid by me, her grandchildren, and my wife. She never had a sniffle as far as I know. I tried many times to convince her to get the fuck out of that house and live like she always had lived.
She died on 11/29/20 of congestive heart failure. You know what happens to previously active 86yr olds who sit in a house all day afraid to go anywhere? Fear of living is a quick killer of the elderly.

Payday is coming.

Fuck ya payday is coming and I have been taking notes.

 

[theLBC]

seems odd that we have to sue the fda to see the "data" they used to "approve" the clotshots.

 

[MCSO1357]

my "personal" opinions have almost nothing to do with my postings on the subject.
the things i post in conflict with the administration's propaganda come from doctors, not from me.

what i have posted anecdotally is that my marathon running brother is one of many that had a stroke days after being vaccinated.
professionally i will say that as somebody that works for a hc company with modalities in 42 states, the difference in outcomes is shockingly different depending on how patients are treated (or not treated) when first reporting the illness or testing positive. some places do nothing and the results are not good, while providers that prescribe or recommend some form of therapeutics (including hcq or ivm) have drastically better outcomes. this is just my personal observation.

choid thinks this MD is "extreme", but many others agree and are being attacked by the money,

Dr. Peter McCullough 'Therapeutic Nihilism And Untested Novel Therapies' | AAPS

Peter McCullough speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on October 2, 2021.

rumble.com

EVERY citizen needs to hear what that doctor has to say. He spent a career on the inside of vaccine development with science and safety of the public has always been his guiding light. (I said science, not to be confused with “the science”)

 

[armorpl8chikn]

We will never make it to this point at the rate we are going.

 

[Baron23]

i wasn't attacking your statement, so sorry if it seemed that way. i was just using it to continue my ranting.

have fun!

Absolutely no problem, my friend. Just another Internet forum slight misunderstanding.

And I also have a great deal of respect, in general, for @pmclaine and im really not trying to get into a pissing contest over this stuff.

Truth be told, I’m happier on SH if I stay out of the pit anyway. Lol.

Have a brilliant day

 

[pmclaine]

Absolutely no problem, my friend. Just another Internet forum slight misunderstanding.

And I also have a great deal of respect, in general, for @pmclaine and im really not trying to get into a pissing contest over this stuff.

Truth be told, I’m happier on SH if I stay out of the pit anyway. Lol.

Have a brilliant day

Everyone loves discussion.

Problem is that actual give and take is almost gone.

Id say both sides are guilty but in the arena that matters, our leaders, I am not sure if there are "sides".

Our "leaders" and the media are creating this and we are responding to it.

My defense, which is also a weakness, is to intrench behind what I have observed on my own.

A set of facts based on a survey of one probably aint the best thing either.

 

[pmclaine]

thank you for saying what we've all been thinking.

I just came up with it.

 

[pmclaine]

Couple questions for the MDs.
What is your stance on the borders not being closed/sealed?
What is your stance on those who've been exempted from taking the jab?
What are your thoughts on natural immunity/covid experienced patients?

R

Great fucking questions!

Is your name Brad?

Jen Psaki would answer them "Yes, next reporter please."

 

[pmclaine]

Good to see that the subject moved quickly from "high level vaccine skeptics" to the general rantings of lunatics. The people mentioned in the article would disavow this batshit crazy stuff in a second, but here it is absolute received truth. I remember why I left.

Oh God, this fuckstain again.....

At one point there you started to become sane.

Why did you come back?

 

[pmclaine]

A hospital did this.

Bunch of pussies even with shots in their arms.

You all suck for not standing in the breach for truth.

Some are speaking out and treating outside the narrative. Awesome physicians that truly care about people they treat. But the majority of those remaining need pull their head out of fearing for your jobs and licenses.

Heros my ass.

MCH addresses social media post of girl with bag over her head taken in their hospital

The original post has been shared on Facebook over 1,000 times.

www.google.com

When I was discussing a medical exemption for the shot with my PCP I mentioned to her that the med community has a choice coming up.

I fully expect that non vaxxed are going to be denied care or treated as pariahs. I doubted I would even be able to attend my scheduled yearly look away and cough in January.

She said "Our hospital has not discussed that"

I wonder if she is aware others have?

I asked about the Hippocratic oath and doing no harm.

 

[chrome]

 

[pmclaine]

A hospital did this.

Bunch of pussies even with shots in their arms.

You all suck for not standing in the breach for truth.

Some are speaking out and treating outside the narrative. Awesome physicians that truly care about people they treat. But the majority of those remaining need pull their head out of fearing for your jobs and licenses.

Heros my ass.

MCH addresses social media post of girl with bag over her head taken in their hospital

The original post has been shared on Facebook over 1,000 times.

www.google.com

Seems like they are trying to portray themselves as the victim.......nice.

 

[kthomas]

Thanks. I don't hold a grudge!

I will tell you what I think happened as far as "fuckery." I think a lot of political activists and politicians saw Covid as a very useful wedge issue going into the 2020 elections, and they got addicted to what they could do with it. Likewise, I think people got very wrapped up in the far and division that came with the pandemic and its politicization. And I think all of that exacerbated a situation that had long been developing in this country where nobody is willing to believe information that is not coming from people who agree with them on other important issues, so we all live in our own half reality/half non reality. I do think the politicians created this distrust. But I try not to take that to mean that everybody who I see as dishonest in one way or wrong in one way is wrong in every way.

I guess as you say, we will find out in the end. And I do agree with you that the push to marginalize non vaccinated people is problematic or worse. I guess I even see how that could lead to something like a mass apartheid society or worse, but I think it is less likely than maybe others do. That said, as I think I have been clear, I am personally not willing to participate in this marginalization, which is really, in my opinion, the best any of us can do on an individual level.

I've had the conversation you mention, about the willingness of the general public to be awful, with many people, here and offline. I have to say that I am very upfront with my feelings about it with you guys, and with friends, sometimes now ex friends, on the left, and I have not come across the hatred some others describe in many people, but when I do it is disturbing in the extreme. I may be naive in believing that we will generally get through this, and maybe worse, without atrocities.

I guess the TLDR version of this is I think Covid is pretty damn bad and has been handled even worse, and that, among other things, has increased the distrust for each other and for information, but I think the way through that is not by hardening ourselves against each other and against reality, but by trying our best to find each where we can.

It's not just the politicians...

- The media/news industry benefits off of selling fear - fear sells, especially if you can make the fear very real for people at home. There's no incentive from the media industry to be honest or proportional in their reporting of COVID-19, that would be bad for business and less profitable for them.

- The healthcare agencies are benefiting off of this current pandemic. They are now in the limelight, never before have agencies such as the CDC, FDA, etc. have seen more relevancy and importance in the public - with this comes bigger budget/funding, and everything that comes along with it. It's in their best interests to continue to stay important, and as long as there is a deadly pandemic around, they are very important. And don't forget all the lucrative jobs in the big pharma industry that await FDA and CDC employees when they play their cards right...

- Big pharma is profiting huge off of this. Just take a look at Moderna's stock. Big pharma minted 9 new billionaires in 2020, and these COVID-19 vaccines have been the biggest profit maker for big pharma in their entire history. Big Pharma also has the strongest/largest lobbying groups in Washington DC. Big pharma also funds up to ~75% of the FDA's drug approval budget.

- The healthcare industry now has a new trillion dollar industry through COVID-19. Even just testing is a new multi-billion dollar industry.

- Large corporations are profiting massively off of this. We've seen the largest wealth transfer in human history occur in the past year, with ~$5 trillion making it's way from the lower and middle classes to the very upper classes. Not much incentive there for these large corporations (who have huge influence inside and out of Washington DC and with the public), for the pandemic to end.

I'm not suggesting that it's a giant conspiracy, but there is a lot of coalescing benefits for all these powerful entities to keep COVID-19 around for as long as possible.

 

[DuneBoer]

Dr's, Lawyers and Prostitutes. I can find any one of them that will do or "believe" what I want for money.

 

[Rthur]

Great fucking questions!

Is your name Brad?

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Jen Psaki would answer them "Yes, next reporter please."

Yes.
But this time Brad starts with an A.

R

 

[pmclaine]

And you got that from my two somewhat (IMO) humorous posts, your resentments toward the medical profession notwithstanding?

And while I agree that Dr are certainly not infallible and patients absolutely need to actively question and participate in medical decisions, to my mind they are…as a group…more credible than a bunch of swinging dicks on a rifle forum. Just me I guess.

And I have zero idea what TV show that pic comes from. I don’t wTch TV very much and don’t watch any series at all.

Have a great day

Not you specifically but sometimes the profession in general.

This has been made worse due to the coof.

It seems that our most educated, highly trained, and should be highly respected are undergoing what cops went through for the last 10 years.....the destruction of the publics faith in their service.

Why are doctors not speaking out?

There is stuff to speak out about.

Child vaccinations for instance, the inconsistencies of who is exempt and who is not.......where is the outrage?

Seems like some sort of message has come down "FA/FO what happens to your license" or experience "cancel culture".

Doctors are too smart, have sacrificed too much, to be treated this way.

 

[pmclaine]

my "personal" opinions have almost nothing to do with my postings on the subject.
the things i post in conflict with the administration's propaganda come from doctors, not from me.

what i have posted anecdotally is that my marathon running brother is one of many that had a stroke days after being vaccinated.
professionally i will say that as somebody that works for a hc company with modalities in 42 states, the difference in outcomes is shockingly different depending on how patients are treated (or not treated) when first reporting the illness or testing positive. some places do nothing and the results are not good, while providers that prescribe or recommend some form of therapeutics (including hcq or ivm) have drastically better outcomes. this is just my personal observation.

choid thinks this MD is "extreme", but many others agree and are being attacked by the money,

Dr. Peter McCullough 'Therapeutic Nihilism And Untested Novel Therapies' | AAPS

Peter McCullough speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons on October 2, 2021.

rumble.com

Kids diagnosed with coof on a Tuesday two weeks ago.

He realizes his job is being cancelled in one week so decides to get J&J that Friday. He tests negative before the shot. With close family members having coof he was tested.

Saturday he tests positive for coof when he feels like shit.

Either Sunday or Monday he goes to B&W in Boston and is reportedly in an induced coma on a vent.......

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Shot or coof? Who knows.

He may look big in the pic but that due his workout routine is centered on heavy weights. He PTd per contract rules religiously. I am a small weights dude to keep my girlish figure.

 

[theLBC]

Kids diagnosed with coof on a Tuesday two weeks ago.

He realizes his job is being cancelled in one week so decides to get J&J that Friday. He tests negative before the shot. With close family members having coof he was tested.

Saturday he tests positive for coof when he feels like shit.

Either Sunday or Monday he goes to B&W in Boston and is reportedly in an induced coma on a vent.......

Help the Morales Family, organized by LEO Support

Please donate to Elvin and his family to help with medical bills and cost of living as he is curr… LEO Support needs your support for Help the Morales Family

www.gofundme.com

Shot or coof? Who knows.

He may look big in the pic but that due his workout routine is centered on heavy weights. He PTd per contract rules religiously. I am a small weights dude to keep my girlish figure.

the scary thing is that they are actively removing posts from people that report issues after vaccination, and they are censoring doctors and scientists that disagree instead of engaging in scientific debate to refute anything that doesn't fit the narrative. this is not "science" and is in fact the complete opposite.

 

[Inifinty]

When I was discussing a medical exemption for the shot with my PCP I mentioned to her that the med community has a choice coming up.

I fully expect that non vaxxed are going to be denied care or treated as pariahs. I doubted I would even be able to attend my scheduled yearly look away and cough in January.

She said "Our hospital has not discussed that"

I wonder if she is aware others have?

I asked about the Hippocratic oath and doing no harm.

You can find primary care Drs. That treat outside the corrupt insurance model for a relatively small monthly fee. Usually less than $50 per patient.

If the “system” goes full distopian mode then I would bet many of these recently fired medical professionals organize to treat those discriminated against.

 

[Threadcutter308]

When I was discussing a medical exemption for the shot with my PCP I mentioned to her that the med community has a choice coming up.

I fully expect that non vaxxed are going to be denied care or treated as pariahs. I doubted I would even be able to attend my scheduled yearly look away and cough in January.

She said "Our hospital has not discussed that"

I wonder if she is aware others have?

I asked about the Hippocratic oath and doing no harm.

Good for you for asking those questions.

Oh, and I'm hearing rumors that in addition to plastic bags, the medical community are having some new found success in treating Covid patients with leaches. I've heard they are also considering amputations.....

And, some people here just don't seem to grasp why a lot of people (myself included) have lost a lot of faith/trust in the medical community. I've had both hips replaced, hospitalized for Diverticulitis, cataract surgery on both eyes and I had been so tremendously happy with the level of competence from all my Doctors. Now, they've folded up like cheap chairs and their main priority is to protect their license at all costs.

 

[UKDslayer]

the scary thing is that they are actively removing posts from people that report issues after vaccination, and they are censoring doctors and scientists that disagree instead of engaging in scientific debate to refute anything that doesn't fit the narrative. this is not "science" and is in fact the complete opposite.

The real crime here is not reporting adverse events/side effects/deaths that occur before the "two weeks after the second vaccination"... Until they are honest about the numbers after jabs they or any of their medical advice can never be trusted.

 

[UKDslayer]

Why are doctors not speaking out?

Fear of losing license.

 

[theLBC]

 

[addertooth]

Fear of losing license.

Yes, over a three decades ago an Australian doctor (Barry Marshall) found the CURE for Stomach Ulcers. But, the treatment of Ulcer "Symptoms" was a multi-billion dollar industry for the pharmaceutical and medical community at the time. The entire Medical Community jumped on him, and tried to get him stripped of his medical license. No hospital would give him access to practice. No pharma company wanted to fund his landmark research. They tried to bankrupt him as well. He was working against the Machine.

His research ended up getting him a Nobel prize.... But it took a WHOLE decade for his landmark research to be "accepted and recognized" by the community. The Medical community is entrenched in methods and a "brotherhood", which sometimes gets in the way of REAL science.

 

[alamo5000]

Facts remain that approximately 95+ % of those hospitalized with Covid, and nearly all doing very poorly, are unvaccinated.

How many of those that you refer to have pre existing conditions or were otherwise compromised by age or some other factor?

If we are going to talk about statistics let's get together and get all the statistics so that the picture is substantially more clear.

 

[alamo5000]

as long as these places are getting cash kickbacks for every covid case they report, it is all bullshit.

This is 80% or more of the reason we are at where we are at. Mountains of pretty much useless"data" created from financial incentives of easy money.

 

[kthomas]

People also need to keep in mind that around ~50% of COVID-19 cases in the hospital are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, suggesting they are there for other reasons.

Younger people are much more likely to test positive for COVID-19, and less likely to be vaccinated due to less risk of COVID-19 and higher risk of vaccine related side effects.

The combination further skews the stats, in a way that makes it seem as if being unvaccinated is much more dangerous then it truly is.

 

[Schroedernd]

Wife got the call last night from her step mom that her dad was in the ER for the 3rd time in the past month. Apparently he got COVID a month ago and told no one since he’s an anti Vaxxer. He’s in his 50s, works, good health, slightly overweight. He’s lost 37 lbs, hasn’t eaten solid food in a month because he can’t stomach it, and has been out of work the entire time because he can barely move. She’s just hoping he makes it at this point….oh and it was a 7 hr wait at the ER in the same hospital my wife is a nurse because the unvaccinated are still sucking up the bed space and ventilators.

 

[pmclaine]

Fear of losing license.

Somethings may be hard but necessary.....you know that oath thing.

 

[pmclaine]

Yes, over a three decades ago an Australian doctor (Barry Marshall) found the CURE for Stomach Ulcers. But, the treatment of Ulcer "Symptoms" was a multi-billion dollar industry for the pharmaceutical and medical community at the time. The entire Medical Community jumped on him, and tried to get him stripped of his medical license. No hospital would give him access to practice. No pharma company wanted to fund his landmark research. They tried to bankrupt him as well. He was working against the Machine.

His research ended up getting him a Nobel prize.... But it took a WHOLE decade for his landmark research to be "accepted and recognized" by the community. The Medical community is entrenched in methods and a "brotherhood", which sometimes gets in the way of REAL science.

My daughter has been type I for 8 years now.

We have seen technology jump immensely.

I still think they are dragging their feet though........dont want to kill the job.

 

[pmclaine]

How many of those that you refer to have pre existing conditions or were otherwise compromised by age or some other factor?

If we are going to talk about statistics let's get together and get all the statistics so that the picture is substantially more clear.

Average age of Covid Death in MA is 82 yoa with 50% having co-morbidities.

Average age of death in MA for all causes is like 76 or something.

A Covid 19 death increases your life expectancy.

 

[theLBC]

Yes, over a three decades ago an Australian doctor (Barry Marshall) found the CURE for Stomach Ulcers. But, the treatment of Ulcer "Symptoms" was a multi-billion dollar industry for the pharmaceutical and medical community at the time. The entire Medical Community jumped on him, and tried to get him stripped of his medical license. No hospital would give him access to practice. No pharma company wanted to fund his landmark research. They tried to bankrupt him as well. He was working against the Machine.

His research ended up getting him a Nobel prize.... But it took a WHOLE decade for his landmark research to be "accepted and recognized" by the community. The Medical community is entrenched in methods and a "brotherhood", which sometimes gets in the way of REAL science.

yup. people were prescribed tagamet for years after it was discovered that most ulcers were caused by a bacteria and not excess acid.