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Hi,
There really should be no reason for end user to "want" to, much less "need" to replace/swap the breech cylinder.
The barrel does not thread onto/into it and it is pinned into the receiver body as a complete independent component from the barrel.
Once breech plug is fitted and pinned into receiver body, the barrel then threads into "traditional barrel tenon".
The tang is really thick and the flat bottom allows us to get great results with bonding the receiver to the chassis.
LOL, that is pretty funny. THANK YOU.
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi,
Ok guys....I wanted to take a minute to explain the "why" we will be releasing complete weapon systems in the beginning and not stand alone actions.
I have also added this information to the first post to make it easier to follow and access if needed.
Initially, we (Hoplite Arms) will offer complete weapon systems and will not be offering actions alone.
Through a methodical R&D testing program the soon to be offered weapon system and its specifically selected components have been painstakingly tested, redesigned and refined. For over 2 years the R&D process using software in tandem with field trials, have been performed in the most adverse conditions that can be found. Including but not limited to the winters in Finland and the deserts of the UAE. ranging in temperatures from subzero to 120F, while also enduring windblown snow and ultra-fine sand/dust particles which are known adversaries of firearm actions.
By offering a complete weapon system from the onset we (Hoplite Arms) can ensure that our design is not left vulnerable to issues that have plagued certain sectors of our industry, particularly over the past 5-10 years. Issues that are not only limited to small shops but the largest of manufacturers as well.
The action market at this moment has become myopic in trying to become the cheapest in price and/or continually offering products that have not gone through what we believe a proper R&D testing process should consist of. While not problematic at face value we believe that strategy has caused several continual and repeated detrimental issues within the industry.
Customers have had to experience unacceptable issues consisting of erratic lead times, manufacturers having to roll out product fixes/updates to designs that were not found during accelerated T&E, along with auxiliary items such as magazines or triggers not functioning properly.
While a continuous stream of new products is always a positive for the action market, those products should aim to improve or replace existing legacy products not only expand options available. The sheer amount of bolt-on aftermarket parts now available; while designed to meet OEM specs and interchangeability do not always work in sync with all customer build specs, criteria and combinations of component choices. This causes unforeseen issues by the end user/customer which a well-designed and thoroughly tested complete system will not have.
Hoplite Arms criteria and performance targets for these new projects (Kopis, Aspis and Phalanx weapon systems) has been aimed at not only adding value and increasing reliability (which should be paramount for any weapon system) but also to enlarge and exceed the current performance envelope.
In controlled testing environments our receivers have remained operational at pressures up to and including 131,000 PSI. Stage 2 pressure testing had increased pressures to approximately 152,000 PSI pressures without catastrophic receiver failure.
As expected the Aspis weapon systems’ action had not failed at that immense pressure. Although it should be noted the WM cartridge itself tore completely apart and locked the bolt up. In order to view internal results of the 152,000 PSI pressure test the barrel was cut out of the receiver.
Once the barrel was removed and the action was inspected, it was noticed the integrity of the action was not compromised. Particularly observed and noticed the extractor within the bolt itself was not compromised.
Needless to say, we are very proud of the design criteria and its’ functionality success.
Sincerely,
Theis
Ok guys....I wanted to take a minute to explain the "why" we will be releasing complete weapon systems in the beginning and not stand alone actions.
I have also added this information to the first post to make it easier to follow and access if needed.
Initially, we (Hoplite Arms) will offer complete weapon systems and will not be offering actions alone.
Through a methodical R&D testing program the soon to be offered weapon system and its specifically selected components have been painstakingly tested, redesigned and refined. For over 2 years the R&D process using software in tandem with field trials, have been performed in the most adverse conditions that can be found. Including but not limited to the winters in Finland and the deserts of the UAE. ranging in temperatures from subzero to 120F, while also enduring windblown snow and ultra-fine sand/dust particles which are known adversaries of firearm actions.
By offering a complete weapon system from the onset we (Hoplite Arms) can ensure that our design is not left vulnerable to issues that have plagued certain sectors of our industry, particularly over the past 5-10 years. Issues that are not only limited to small shops but the largest of manufacturers as well.
The action market at this moment has become myopic in trying to become the cheapest in price and/or continually offering products that have not gone through what we believe a proper R&D testing process should consist of. While not problematic at face value we believe that strategy has caused several continual and repeated detrimental issues within the industry.
Customers have had to experience unacceptable issues consisting of erratic lead times, manufacturers having to roll out product fixes/updates to designs that were not found during accelerated T&E, along with auxiliary items such as magazines or triggers not functioning properly.
While a continuous stream of new products is always a positive for the action market, those products should aim to improve or replace existing legacy products not only expand options available. The sheer amount of bolt-on aftermarket parts now available; while designed to meet OEM specs and interchangeability do not always work in sync with all customer build specs, criteria and combinations of component choices. This causes unforeseen issues by the end user/customer which a well-designed and thoroughly tested complete system will not have.
Hoplite Arms criteria and performance targets for these new projects (Kopis, Aspis and Phalanx weapon systems) has been aimed at not only adding value and increasing reliability (which should be paramount for any weapon system) but also to enlarge and exceed the current performance envelope.
In controlled testing environments our receivers have remained operational at pressures up to and including 131,000 PSI. Stage 2 pressure testing had increased pressures to approximately 152,000 PSI pressures without catastrophic receiver failure.
As expected the Aspis weapon systems’ action had not failed at that immense pressure. Although it should be noted the WM cartridge itself tore completely apart and locked the bolt up. In order to view internal results of the 152,000 PSI pressure test the barrel was cut out of the receiver.
Once the barrel was removed and the action was inspected, it was noticed the integrity of the action was not compromised. Particularly observed and noticed the extractor within the bolt itself was not compromised.
Needless to say, we are very proud of the design criteria and its’ functionality success.
Sincerely,
Theis
If I buy one, I will name it Paparock.
And for those who are going to google the web address: https://hoplitearms.com/
Looking forward to seeing where this goes. You've got my attention.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes. You've got my attention.
416 Krypteia…..
6mm Xiphos…!!
Just looking up what the names mean is an education in itself
Just looking up what the names mean is an education in itself
Liking the name. Good marketing @THEIS. I'm in for a Diomedes Short action based caliber.
p.s. Diomedes was a badass. Only mortal to ever see Athena in her full divine form. Plus he had all kinds of cool weapons like flame spitting shield and helmet blessed by Athena and a bunch of shit made by Hepheastus. Rumor was this dude was so fearless he took on Ares on the battlefield and wounded him.
"The Iliad lists nearly thirty names of warriors killed by Diomedes, along with several other excerpts mentioning him "freaking the fuck out and murdering a shitload of people with his dick", so we can assume that this guy was at least somewhat competent in the field of making people his bitches. "
*edit* Any idea of ETA this will be hitting the market.
p.s. Diomedes was a badass. Only mortal to ever see Athena in her full divine form. Plus he had all kinds of cool weapons like flame spitting shield and helmet blessed by Athena and a bunch of shit made by Hepheastus. Rumor was this dude was so fearless he took on Ares on the battlefield and wounded him.
"The Iliad lists nearly thirty names of warriors killed by Diomedes, along with several other excerpts mentioning him "freaking the fuck out and murdering a shitload of people with his dick", so we can assume that this guy was at least somewhat competent in the field of making people his bitches. "
*edit* Any idea of ETA this will be hitting the market.
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That right there should be your lead selling point!
Everyone has seen the videos of people doing something stupid and the rifle blowing up and hurting someone.
So offering a rifle system that has a huge safety margin is a major thing and may be a key selling point for a lot of folks deciding on your rifle vs somebody else's.
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We are still nailing that down! Since deciding to offer a traditional fiberglass stocks as an option; we need to get them in hand, inlet them and do some evaluations.
@Terry Cross replied to my email very promptly and we look forward to getting a few Sentinels in hand so that we can not only support a distinguished member of the industry but also be able to provide our end users with The Sentinel stocks.
McM on the other hand has not replied back to my RFQ for 10 stocks so we can see how the receivers and bottom metal fits, feels, and functions in specific models.
Hi,
Standby on those fellas....We have a new batch of cases and projectiles on the way. The "rollout" of these specs will definitely be better served via video
.....just think of 85-90k pressures being the "norm".Hi,
Sounds like the baby 223 size platform needs that name lol.
ETA of hitting market with weapon systems in hand is towards end of this year. We are not going to do the pre-production sale type events.
Hi,
Exactly...that is why we not only have equipment coming from RSI to test and display pressures but have been in contact with NTS Test Facility for independent pressure/destructive testing.
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi,
Standby on those fellas....We have a new batch of cases and projectiles on the way. The "rollout" of these specs will definitely be better served via video
Sincerely,
Theis
Kudos on the sentinel!
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No, lol...right now the inventory is looking like 20 Aspis rifles and 20 Kopis rifles being available middle of December but that number may double within the next couple weeks. That just takes a phone call to the alloy supplier.
IMO the End Users are growing tired of the pre-order sales events and for that reason; we will not be launching business with that type of sale.
Sincerely,
Theis
Just read entire thread. I’ll be interested to see where this goes.
I was testing you! ??
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A combo of all the above to be honest.
The next system after of Aspis and Kopis is going to be the Phalanx (BMG/CT size). After that is in the pipeline I will dedicate time and manpower to finalization and T&E of the baby system. Right now I am not happy with the magazine fit/feel/function.
So short answer is yes there is one coming.
Long and realistic answer is the "baby" will not be this year.
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi,
Here is full image of chassis with standard Magpul PRS rear and standard 15" handguard.
Here is what full weapon system looks like.
Sincerely,
Theis
Here is full image of chassis with standard Magpul PRS rear and standard 15" handguard.
Here is what full weapon system looks like.
Sincerely,
Theis
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Hopefully the sentinel stock works out.
I’ll likely be in for one of those if so.
I’ll likely be in for one of those if so.
Hi,
Terry has been a pleasure to discuss our desires of the Sentinel stock use with.
We will be getting about half a dozen in the pipeline ASAP....He is working up the details on flat top, flat bottom, his LOP system, his Loggerhead system, flushcups, etc for us to get in hand to inlet for receiver and dbm.
Sincerely,
Theis
Damn I love all the development going on in this sport.
Theis, congratulations on bringing more innovation to the industry. I hope you crush it in terms of sales.
Terry Cross is one of the nicest guys I've ever spoken with on the phone (one of those guys who you feel like you've known for 20 years even though you just called him for the first time 3 minutes prior) an all around super good dude and Sentinels are the best fiberglass stocks out there, IMHO. Please try to move forward with that plan...I need an excuse to get an Arctic Camo-inspired rig, and I won't need much else in terms of persuasion.
Theis, congratulations on bringing more innovation to the industry. I hope you crush it in terms of sales.
Terry Cross is one of the nicest guys I've ever spoken with on the phone (one of those guys who you feel like you've known for 20 years even though you just called him for the first time 3 minutes prior) an all around super good dude and Sentinels are the best fiberglass stocks out there, IMHO. Please try to move forward with that plan...I need an excuse to get an Arctic Camo-inspired rig, and I won't need much else in terms of persuasion.
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Currently no, I can check utility patents and such if having dovetail in front of magazine is wanted.
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I have a few spots out towards Dryden we can let you put hands on one when we have builds finished.
Hi,
THANKS for the support.
The response from active and inactive hide members to the initial introduction of our company and products has been very nice.
We just talked about that yesterday in regards to the comments and questions we have received. I am actually using some of the questions to make a FAQ list to be incorporated into website and brochures.
And +100 on KMW/Terry.
Sincerely,
Theis
Let me know when. Had been tossing around the idea of putting an AI in a sentinel.
This is much easier.
Hi,
Exploded view drawing and parts list of the bolt itself...
Sincerely,
Theis
Exploded view drawing and parts list of the bolt itself...
Sincerely,
Theis
We are about getting to the stage of gathering an unruly mob with torches and wads of cash to go storm @THEIS office and demand he take our money HA!
Hi,
LOL, Air and Water Taxis can be provided for the VIP treatment.
Sincerely,
Theis
I hope not, let me keep dreaming I could afford one.
Some of us are liking the PPC, Grendel, and X39 chamberings. I'd just like to ask that the appropriate bolt face be considered.
That said, the features on the first page of this topic are flatly intriguing; first for their ingenuity, and second, for their practicality. They appear (forgive my lack of deep industry knowledge) thoroughly innovative.
At the risk of being blasphemous, this is the kind of innovative genius that put me into the Savage Fan Boy column. Will a barrel nut be a feature? Will the barrel mounting be compatible with Savage-Style drop-in barrels?
Greg
That said, the features on the first page of this topic are flatly intriguing; first for their ingenuity, and second, for their practicality. They appear (forgive my lack of deep industry knowledge) thoroughly innovative.
At the risk of being blasphemous, this is the kind of innovative genius that put me into the Savage Fan Boy column. Will a barrel nut be a feature? Will the barrel mounting be compatible with Savage-Style drop-in barrels?
Greg
Hi,
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Hi,
You just may be surprised
Hi,
Thank you for the compliments and support.
Here is pdf drawing of the tenon area (metric figures btw). At this time there are no plans to do an "in-house" barrel nut option.
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O those type of clients fly in style..
Sincerely,
Theis
Looking at your new website the proprietary cartridge listings are rather intriguing.
It will be really interesting to see what performance levels they have and what the costs of buying the ammunition from you (as well as what types).
It will be really interesting to see what performance levels they have and what the costs of buying the ammunition from you (as well as what types).
I’m gonna bug the shit out of you until I can buy a short action in a sentinel.
Also, I want my serial number to be “gay tiger” but I want it chambered in 6 dasher.
Also, I want my serial number to be “gay tiger” but I want it chambered in 6 dasher.
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I will work on getting some "hint" details on those for public dissemination today.
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Actually already have them. Looking to have them implemented into the first production cycle of 2020. Using this thread and other data gathering to get some information in regards to quantity to make and keep available.
Hi,
So you are wanting the cartridge wars version of ying and yang? Or is that "dong" and "thong"?
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi,
That one requires validated credentials. It is way too Super for the average and way too Gay for the boring and way too much Tiger for the mundane.
But back on topic lol..
Inspection of couple bolts after T&E sessions.
Sincerely,
Theis
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