Hoplite Arms

[Mike Casselton]

If I'm understanding this correctly, the projectiles are injection molded?

If so, I know the process.

If I'm not correct, then you're pressure molding the polymer ON a completed tungsten projectile?



I worked for Precision Ammunition, manufacturing the Copper Matrix line of ammunition.

Ruag bought the company from the owner Dan Powers, who now heads Sig ammunition manufacturing.

Have you ever taken high speed video of the bullets exit to verify they are coming out clean vs cleaning due to air drag?

My guess is, yes you have.

 

[W54/XM-388]

So will these new super projectiles be available for the 30 Leonidas and the 338 Leonidas

Also for these rounds and then others for those calibers in general, are we talking about Chambered in $5 bills? Chambered in $10 bills, Chambered in $20 bills or Chambered in somebody tax funded better be picking up the tab?

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

@Mike Casselton
You are 75% correct in regards to method. I may want to talk to you about that .
Basically we have merged the 2 different methods you mentioned....tungsten solid core as base of the pyramid; then method you are familiar with built on top of that.
Yes Sir, high speed shows they exit clean at higher MV vs being cleaned via air drag; which would be disaster.

@W54/XM-388
These projectiles are actually significantly cheaper than monolithics themselves...now the High Pressure cartridge cases added and we are chambering right under $10 bills.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Mike Casselton]

Hi,

@Mike Casselton
You are 75% correct in regards to method. I may want to talk to you about that .
Basically we have merged the 2 different methods you mentioned....tungsten solid core as base of the pyramid; then method you are familiar with built on top of that.
Yes Sir, high speed shows they exit clean at higher MV vs being cleaned via air drag; which would be disaster.

@W54/XM-388
These projectiles are actually significantly cheaper than monolithics themselves...now the High Pressure cartridge cases added and we are chambering right under $10 bills.

Sincerely,
Theis

Getting ready to hit the sack, but feel free to give me a shout tomorrow or whenever it's convenient.
I'll PM my number to you.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Excellent, so still affordable for us commoners....

Since it's like a year long wait for suppressors, have you done any testing on the ultra high pressure proprietary stuff as to what suppressors will be needed?

I was looking at one of the OSS ones, but could also get one of the TBAC ones or any other suggested one.

 

[Phairse]

@THEIS i just read through all 7 pages and I can’t wait for you to release this gun. Thanks for all the blood sweat and tears you and your crew put into this project

 

[THEIS]

Excellent, so still affordable for us commoners....

Since it's like a year long wait for suppressors, have you done any testing on the ultra high pressure proprietary stuff as to what suppressors will be needed?

I was looking at one of the OSS ones, but could also get one of the TBAC ones or any other suggested one.

Hi,

You know the old saying of "Know what you do not know" has to come into play here for me to give you the best comment.

I am suppressor dumb and have not done any testing of such in regards to HP capabilities of suppressors but most definitely when we are ready I will provide a test system and ammunition to a suppressor manufacturer and let them test it themselves so that IF they have to modify anything in their design they can do it and be able to retest immediately.
I just do not have time to test another manufacturers product and/or a product that I am not manufacturing.

I know just enough of suppressors and how they handle pressures per each baffle, etc to know what I do not know.

@THEIS i just read through all 7 pages and I can’t wait for you to release this gun. Thanks for all the blood sweat and tears you and your crew put into this project

Hi,
Thank you for your support. This has been a long time coming and the Team can finally see the finish line, so all the work has been well worth it.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[LeftyJason]

Hi,

You know the old saying of "Know what you do not know" has to come into play here for me to give you the best comment.

I am suppressor dumb and have not done any testing of such in regards to HP capabilities of suppressors but most definitely when we are ready I will provide a test system and ammunition to a suppressor manufacturer and let them test it themselves so that IF they have to modify anything in their design they can do it and be able to retest immediately.
I just do not have time to test another manufacturers product and/or a product that I am not manufacturing.

I know just enough of suppressors and how they handle pressures per each baffle, etc to know what I do not know.



Hi,
Thank you for your support. This has been a long time coming and the Team can finally see the finish line, so all the work has been well worth it.

Sincerely,
Theis

@TBACRAY might be good to get the engineers to run some numbers based on pressures. Help us learn more about what works.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

I just wanted to take a minute to personally and professionally thank a few people/companies that are just as crucial to Hoplite Arms as our own members and customers.

Quiet often we get so wrapped up in production schedules, tooling deliveries, employee drama, vendor agreements, QC guidelines, designs, marketing plan, distribution program, exhibition logistics, R&D, T&E, etc etc etc that we forget that we are lucky to be in an industry that there is always someone willing to help.
We as an industry should never loose that blessing and devotion within itself, its members and its customers.

Thank you @DAVETOOLEY for your expertise, time and assistance. The length of time between when I originally spoke to you about this project until finalizing this project should have been enough to make you think I was slow as a turtle but you have always been ready and willing to go over my questions and comments.

Thank you @Frank Green for your expertise, assistance and your constant devotion to all companies in our industry; big and small.

Thank you @Terry Cross for all the email struggles we have made it past (knock on wood) lol and your dedication to my companies vision and products.

Thank you to those members here on SH that knew about this project well before anything was made public..Like damn near a year before anything was whispered publicly. Your encouragement, suggestions and comments are the foundation conversations of our entire company.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[_Windrider_]

Hi,

I just wanted to take a minute to personally and professionally thank a few people/companies that are just as crucial to Hoplite Arms as our own members and customers.

Quiet often we get so wrapped up in production schedules, tooling deliveries, employee drama, vendor agreements, QC guidelines, designs, marketing plan, distribution program, exhibition logistics, R&D, T&E, etc etc etc that we forget that we are lucky to be in an industry that there is always someone willing to help.
We as an industry should never loose that blessing and devotion within itself, its members and its customers.

Thank you @DAVETOOLEY for your expertise, time and assistance. The length of time between when I originally spoke to you about this project until finalizing this project should have been enough to make you think I was slow as a turtle but you have always been ready and willing to go over my questions and comments.

Thank you @Frank Green for your expertise, assistance and your constant devotion to all companies in our industry; big and small.

Thank you @Terry Cross for all the email struggles we have made it past (knock on wood) lol and your dedication to my companies vision and products.

Thank you to those members here on SH that knew about this project well before anything was made public..Like damn near a year before anything was whispered publicly. Your encouragement, suggestions and comments are the foundation conversations of our entire company.

Sincerely,
Theis

I’m excited to shoot it!!

 

[THEIS]

I’m excited to shoot it!!

Hi,

YES, that reminds me I need to get with you pretty soon so that we can discuss the ability to hold a 1 day demo type event in your AO. So that I can put together an invite list along with how many attendee slots can be made available.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[stello1001]

Hi,

Damn, is that all it takes is to put a cowboy hat on a smiley, say Made In Texas and no horses were harmed in the making of this post ?.

Nice video of the Texas PRS by the way!!!

Sincerely,
Theis

Made in Texas, count me in...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Well we already have the video of the bolt assembly posted previously in this thread so figured might as well post the video of bolt disassembly as well



Sincerely,
Theis

 

[JeffLebowski]

Excellent, so still affordable for us commoners....

Since it's like a year long wait for suppressors, have you done any testing on the ultra high pressure proprietary stuff as to what suppressors will be needed?

I was looking at one of the OSS ones, but could also get one of the TBAC ones or any other suggested one.

OSS cans are designed for gas guns to alleviate pressure and gas to the face, they are heavy. TBAC cans are designed for precision guns and are light.

 

[THEIS]

OSS cans are designed for gas guns to alleviate pressure and gas to the face, they are heavy. TBAC cans are designed for precision guns and are light.

Hi,

There is less than 2 ounces weight difference between the OSS QD Magnum TI and the TBAC 338 Ultra with edge going to TBAC but if comparing the QD Magnum TI from OSS to the TBAC 338 Ultra SR...the 2 ounce difference goes to the OSS.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So the BMG size receiver technical package is almost ready to reach the machines

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[brianf]

Serious looking pic of kit right there
double plungers like the other actions as well?

what mags are you expecting to use

 

[b6graham]

ah shit is that sexxxyyyy

 

[THEIS]

Serious looking pic of kit right there
double plungers like the other actions as well?

what mags are you expecting to use

Hi,

The Kopis utilizes AI #6852/6955.
The Aspis utilizes AI #20400.
The Phalanx utilizes AI #4719.

All receivers utilize double plunger ejectors.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

It can be so frustrating yet rewarding when we decide to bring another component in house, lol.
Still needs some revisions as it is a work in progress (But visual concept is there) so that I can get a better feel/view.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Steel head]

So when is the pew pew pew gonna start happening???

 

[_Windrider_]

Hi,

It can be so frustrating yet rewarding when we decide to bring another component in house, lol.
Still needs some revisions as it is a work in progress (But visual concept is there) so that I can get a better feel/view.

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Sincerely,
Theis

I assume RRS dovetail standard? What length you thinking? Still just 15 or maybe a 17-18 option?

 

[brianf]

is there a standard for arca rail.
i dont have one yet but i though i read on another post that sizes are not standard yet?
could be wrong though

looks like a over sized BR bag rider lol

 

[_Windrider_]

is there a standard for arca rail.
i dont have one yet but i though i read on another post that sizes are not standard yet?
could be wrong though

looks like a over sized BR bag rider lol

There is no standard for ARCA Swiss. What you want is a rail built to the RRS dovetail standard. As a community that’s the standard we r striving for.

 

[b6graham]

There is no standard for ARCA Swiss. What you want is a rail built to the RRS dovetail standard. As a community that’s the standard we r striving for.

and if you dont make it to the RRS standard your shit won't work right

arca lok ftw. adjustment range of normal arca/rrs but no ability to slide under recoil

 

[THEIS]

So when is the pew pew pew gonna start happening???

Hi,

That date has not changed

Middle of November we will have first 50 production units completed.

Will be sending 6 to NTS Testing facility for independent destruction testing just to see where that happens at.

By that time we will have lined out the alloy logistics, production schedule, retail cost, retail options, customer service LIVE PEOPLE, and all the others in/out to ensure that Hoplite Arms can not only produce the products but provide a positive purchasing experience to our customers.

It is easy to "sell" something to a customer, it is easy to order alloy, setup tooling program, program machines, run machines, operate a 100% inspection of 100% of the parts, etc etc...but the "Experience" the customer has from their first email, call, text, PM, etc etc is the MOST critical element to me personally and by policy...EVERYONE in the company.

I assume RRS dovetail standard? What length you thinking? Still just 15 or maybe a 17-18 option?

Hi,

From the RRS provided specs directly!!

Longer will be available since I will need a longer for the Phalanx weapon anyways

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[brianf]

There is no standard for ARCA Swiss. What you want is a rail built to the RRS dovetail standard. As a community that’s the standard we r striving for.

thanks

 

[W54/XM-388]

By that time we will have lined out the alloy logistics, production schedule, retail cost, retail options, customer service LIVE PEOPLE, and all the others in/out to ensure that Hoplite Arms can not only produce the products but provide a positive purchasing experience to our customers.

It is easy to "sell" something to a customer, it is easy to order alloy, setup tooling program, program machines, run machines, operate a 100% inspection of 100% of the parts, etc etc...but the "Experience" the customer has from their first email, call, text, PM, etc etc is the MOST critical element to me personally and by policy...EVERYONE in the company.

That's excellent to hear.
The whole "Customer Service" thing is where so many in the firearms & accessories industry fall flat on their faces or if they happen to be "custom rifle builders" they usually fall flat on their faces then start digging a hole from that position, in terms of customer service.

Any chance "early adopters" might get to talk to You on the phone taking down orders & answering questions?

 

[brianf]

^^^dont go jumping the line just yet

 

[THEIS]

That's excellent to hear.
The whole "Customer Service" thing is where so many in the firearms & accessories industry fall flat on their faces or if they happen to be "custom rifle builders" they usually fall flat on their faces then start digging a hole from that position, in terms of customer service.

Any chance "early adopters" might get to talk to You on the phone taking down orders & answering questions?

Hi,

That subject is too long and detailed YET true to get into, lolol.

There is a reason I chose to upgrade my personal sign-in to the commercial account instead of just making a new "generic" one with name of
Hoplite Arms that could have multiple department personnel utilize to engage the members of SH....I want to handle SH members MYSELF, so you send me your number/email and I will call you when adoption papers are ready to be signed

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[brianf]

re-read a post above

you said "100%" inspection

i would think most smiths/companies give the product a basic once over etc

what do you mean by that?

thanks

 

[b6graham]

re-read a post above

you said "100%" inspection

i would think most smiths/companies give the product a basic once over etc

what do you mean by that?

thanks

sometimes it's amazing what gets shipped out unnoticed

 

[Steel head]

sometimes it's amazing what gets shipped out unnoticed

Lol
My boss messed up just yesterday and sent an incomplete product.

 

[THEIS]

re-read a post above

you said "100%" inspection

i would think most smiths/companies give the product a basic once over etc

what do you mean by that?

thanks

Hi,

Ok, so let me see if I can reply to that and still make things readable, relate-able and informative at the same time..

FIRST---Hoplite Arms is NOT in the gunsmith business. We are in the production business in which we utilize a very specific list of components; most of which we manufacturer ourselves.

Now onto the 100% inspection concept:

In short....when we run a batch of individual pieces; lets say Breech cylinder for example. We run a batch of 50 and machinist puts them on cart as they are all removed from machine.
That cart of Breech cylinders is then rolled into inspection room and every single piece is optically measured via laser system and mechanically inspected, not just a percentage of randomly selected units.
We do that with each and every piece, sub-assembly and assembly until we have fully assemblied weapon system.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Dthomas3523]

Hi,

Ok, so let me see if I can reply to that and still make things readable, relate-able and informative at the same time..

FIRST---Hoplite Arms is NOT in the gunsmith business. We are in the production business in which we utilize a very specific list of components; most of which we manufacturer ourselves.

Now onto the 100% inspection concept:

In short....when we run a batch of individual pieces; lets say Breech cylinder for example. We run a batch of 50 and machinist puts them on cart as they are all removed from machine.
That cart of Breech cylinders is then rolled into inspection room and every single piece is optically measured via laser system and mechanically inspected, not just a percentage of randomly selected units.
We do that with each and every piece, sub-assembly and assembly until we have fully assemblied weapon system.

Sincerely,
Theis

How about you inspect a rifle into a kmw?

????

 

[308Gunner]

?? That shits funny

 

[THEIS]

How about you inspect a rifle into a kmw?

????

Hi,

I have 12 on order just for you!!

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[W54/XM-388]

In short....when we run a batch of individual pieces; lets say Breech cylinder for example. We run a batch of 50 and machinist puts them on cart as they are all removed from machine.
That cart of Breech cylinders is then rolled into inspection room and every single piece is optically measured via laser system and mechanically inspected, not just a percentage of randomly selected units.
We do that with each and every piece, sub-assembly and assembly until we have fully assemblied weapon system.

I assume that this probably means that all the parts are basically the same so you can swap parts around like the bolts / bolt faces etc from rifle to rifle and everything still be a perfect fit?

 

[THEIS]

I assume that this probably means that all the parts are basically the same so you can swap parts around like the bolts / bolt faces etc from rifle to rifle and everything still be a perfect fit?

Hi,

Yes. For example:
The breech cylinder interior and exterior both have a .02mm tolerance.
The bottom of the receiver body has a linear tolerance of .03mm and angular tolerance of .02mm.
The secondary and primary feed ramps both have a .02mm tolerance.
The bolt body has a .02mm tolerance.
Etc Etc Etc

Our surface finish is a RA .8 in accordance with ISO 1302 Surface Finish Grade.
The only difference in the Kopis and Aspis receivers really are just the receiver body length and bolt length..
Pretty much all the other parts are actually the same parts. Such as breech plug, rear bolt piece, bolt guide, chamber indicator, etc etc etc.
Both the Kopis and Aspis also both run the same barrel thread/tenon specifications.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[brianf]

I’m guessing that’s tighter specs than my R700 pss that is still in the safe somewhere

 

[LeftyJason]

Hi,

Yes. For example:
The breech cylinder interior and exterior have both a .02mm tolerance.
The bottom of the receiver body has a linear tolerance of .03mm and angular tolerance of .02mm.
The secondary and primary feed ramps both have a .02mm tolerance.
The bolt body has a .02mm tolerance.
Etc Etc Etc

Our surface finish is a RA .8 in accordance with ISO 1302 Surface Finish Grade.
The only difference in the Kopis and Aspis receivers really are just the receiver body length and bolt length..
Pretty much all the other parts are actually the same parts. Such as breech plug, rear bolt piece, bolt guide, chamber indicator, etc etc etc.
Both the Kopis and Aspis also both run the same barrel thread/tenon specifications.

Sincerely,
Theis

For those of us that aren't as well versed in metric (cause I'm American and I use mils) 0.02mm is 0.000787 inches. 0.03mm is 0.001181 inches. Some aerospace parts that I cut have bigger tolerances.

 

[THEIS]

For those of us that aren't as well versed in metric (cause I'm American and I use mils) 0.02mm is 0.000787 inches. 0.03mm is 0.001181 inches. Some aerospace parts that I cut have bigger tolerances.

Hi,

Dang, I thought this was a Mil site and everyone used that superior system over the English MOA system, lolol.

All jokes aside, Thank you for the conversion. We love aerospace engineering, machining and components.

You work for Northrop or Barnes Aerospace by chance?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[LeftyJason]

Hi,

Dang, I thought this was a Mil site and everyone used that superior system over the English MOA system, lolol.

All jokes aside, Thank you for the conversion. We love aerospace engineering, machining and components.

You work for Northrop or Barnes Aerospace by chance?

Sincerely,
Theis

Nope sorry. Williams International. Some of our stuff sometime goes boom on purpose.

 

[brianf]

Hi,

Dang, I thought this was a Mil site and everyone used that superior system over the English MOA system, lolol.

All jokes aside, Thank you for the conversion. We love aerospace engineering, machining and components.

You work for Northrop or Barnes Aerospace by chance?

Sincerely,
Theis

Now I’m confused is this a Mil or Moa rifle?

My other rifles have Mil dot ret with Moa turrets, guy at the gun show said I can use any rifle Mil or Moa.

??

 

[THEIS]

What length you thinking? Still just 15 or maybe a 17-18 option?

Hi,

Just FWIW...We modeled up an 18 inch version this past weekend with pic rail area the exact length we need to fit into the Doru chassis center section.
RRS Dovetail specs and now testing to see what M-Lok slots incorporated in middle of dovetail functions like.

I actually like the 18 inch version better than the 15 inch version because of the length amount that gets set "into" the chassis center.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[clcustom1911]

For those of us that aren't as well versed in metric (cause I'm American and I use mils) 0.02mm is 0.000787 inches. 0.03mm is 0.001181 inches. Some aerospace parts that I cut have bigger tolerances.

This made me think if this!! Couldn't help it...

And I use Mils because it's more accurate than MOA.



?

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

So with Shot Show now requiring first time exhibitors to go through the "Pop-Up Preview" or the "Next" program in order to be able to get full booth capabilities for the following year; Hoplite Arms will be exhibiting during the "Pop-Up Preview" day of Wednesday on the 5th floor.

I have requested and had my account noted that we want Booth #51144 in the corner area.

Sincerely,
Theis

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[brianf]

looks like a good spot

not surrounded by other booths

might actually have some fresh air for once

 

[DAVETOOLEY]

See you there.

edit: I finally get to meet the man.

 

[clcustom1911]

If I'm CONUS I'm totally going.