how many of you use 7.62 lake city in your factory 308 bolt actions?

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    how many of you use 7.62 lake city in your factory 308 bolt actions? I've shot 7.62 lake city in my friends 308 savage but just wondering if I'm on a reloading island. Once resized with a 308 die and fireformed we have had good results. Any of ya having good results using 7.62 lake city in a 308 factory chamber?
     
    I haven't messed around with a factory 308 in a while but I have used it before and it last a while. I did a course that supplied M118LR so I ended up with 300 fire formed pieces.
     
    My understanding is that military 7.62x51 brass has additional material in the base end to accommodate extra stresses encountered while being fired in full-auto firearms.

    Bolt guns don't need that and I don't want it in my bolt guns.

    The consequence of its presence is decreased powder capacity and a potential for higher pressures with otherwise normal .308 loads. This a moderate oversimplification, but bottom line, I don't run military 7.62x51 brass in my .308 bolt guns for this particular reason.

    Greg
     
    I have used it for 40-some years. The water capacity is very consistent, every bit the equal of Lapua cases with regard to consistent capacity. (See my testing/measuring elsewhere.) Over many lots of LC, I have used 54.6-54.8 grains of water capacity, leading to 0.8 grains less powder charge than max load in a commercial case, like Remington or Winchester. As a comparison, the highest capacity cases I have are the old Federal with the small print on the headstamp, which hold 57.2 grains of water. Current Federal cases with large print on the casehead hold the same as LC. Somebody told me that's because Federal is now the contractor for milspec .308 brass. IDK. I have turned necks, and the accuracy/precision is not enhanced, in my experience, by neck turning. Loaded cartridge runout is as good as anything, and I have shot a 0.022" 4-shot group from a Shilen-barreled Winchester Model 70 hunting rifle, using random years of LC cases. I have shot many sub-0.5" 5-shot groups with various .308 Winchester-chambered rifles, all using LC cases, with hunting rifles having lightweight 22" factory barrels up through varmint-weight custom barrels. Any case will stretch ahead of the web and separate at some point, but I don't keep track of how many rounds that usually takes. I don't want to disagree with Greg Langelius about anything, because he's rock solid. He's stating his reasons and experience, and I'm stating mine. Believe both just the same. I started with them when M1A's were the go-to rifle for highpower, and shot 41.5 gr of IMR4895 in LC cases with a Sierra 168 SMK, then I had so many cases, that when I switched over to a Winchester Model 70 Ultramatch in 1976, I just kept using the LC cases, and would (back then), increase the load until I got pressure signs, then back off. Now I can't do any competition, and just do paper-punching from a bench.
     
    Like domdoc, I have used M80 ball, M118 Spl Ball, M118LR, M852 and handloads in LC brass (regular and Match) in bolt rifles (a R700 SPS-V, PSS and the SPS-V with the barrel shortened to 22", setback and re-chambered for FGMM 168), NM M1As, Grade A Navy M14 (shhh, don't tell), my MK2-1 Grade A SECNAV Trophy Garand and my current AR10. As stated, the brass is thicker and you should reduce loads .5gr+ from what works in commercial brass. I have shot 40.3 of 3031 under a 175SMK, 42.0gr 4064 under a 175SMK, the "old reliable" domdoc listed above with 41.5gr 4895 and 168SMK etc. Never have had any issues and I shot NM courses at every major range in the Southeast during some pretty hot summers. I know LOTS of HM classified Across-The-Course shooters that shot their pre-64 M70s in 308 and would only shoot LC brass.
     
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    I have turned necks, and the accuracy/precision is not enhanced, in my experience, by neck turning.

    I have a batch of LC81 Match brass that I turned the necks to 014". I get 2600fps out of my 20" AR10 with 42.0gr/4064. With LC72 Match brass, without turning the necks, I get 2650fps with 41.7gr/4064, both loads with 175SMKs 2x fired brass with a fresh anneal.
     
    I appreciate Domdoc's support. It would help for me to explain that my concerns are less about case behavior than they are about throat life. My thinking tends to favor a larger case capacity, in an effort to reduce heat and pressure, in whatever small way the differences count. LC is great brass. I just find it easier to obtain commercial brass from my LGS and from major distributors, like Midway.

    I haven't had a .308 semi for around 15 years. When I did, I used LC brass frequently and liked it. Now that I am resuming .308 shooting, with a bolt rifle, The reasons I would prefer LC don't really exist.

    As it happens, my current .308 development project (178 ELD-X/new Savage 11VT) includes a test batch of PPU .308 virgin reloading brass. I have accumulated considerable experience with PPU brass in my .223 development projects, and it has performed consistently well for me.. I'm looking to see if that also holds true for the .308.

    As I have grown older, my handloading process has become greatly streamlined. I concentrate on tuned and consistent charge weights, simplified but consistent assembly practices, and greater emphasis on marksmanship basics. It works well enough to keep this elder fart happy.

    Greg
     
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    interesting thread. i bought i BUNCH of xm118lr ammo from ammoman and others like 7-8 years ago (LC brass). and i've been using alot of that brass again in my Gap Harbinger. no issues but i don't shoot extremely hot loads in it either.. its been FL sized multiple times and has shot great
     
    I have and do run M118LR in mine and it shoots very well, only other box ammo I've had that shoots as well is Georgia Arms match ammo, albeit 168gr...