Rifle Scopes How quickly we forget and abandon

[jrob300]

Re: How quickly we forget and abandon

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halvis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Delivering a consistent QUALITY product, at a reasonable price point, year in and year out, is something the Japanese have learned and do well, we could learn a thing or 3 from them.</div></div>

The ironic thing is, the Japanese are so good at what they do largely thanks to the efforts of an American espousing novel ideas about quality and manufacturing more than 40 years ago.

Back in the 50's a man named William Deming compiled his ideas and others about how US manufacturing, specifically Detroit auto makers, could cut design time, improve quality and bring to market better products. He was unceremoniously tossed out on his ass, most believe due to union influences, and took his message to the Japanese people, who were just beginning to rebuild after WW2.

Deming's concepts have been belatedly implemented here, although sporadically, with some obvious benefits. But the union stranglehold is largely to blame for our inability to compete in a worldwide market. The coal mines taught us that there is a need for representation. American cars specifically, but other sectors of American manufacturing also, should teach us that we need to seriously rethink how we move forward in a world economy unless we wish to become irrelevant.

John

 

[srtsam]

Re: How quickly we forget and abandon

I like to keep it simple. i try to buy the best whatever the origin but when given an equal choice I usually go for the american label everytime.

 

[gunnut284]

Re: How quickly we forget and abandon

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HighCondor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: startrek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There was a day when Weaver, Redfield and Leupold was the top of the line in optics.We don't think twice about paying $600 to $1000 for a scope we have never even looked through but we won't spend the money on a Burris, Weaver or Leupold. Know where the money goes for the offbrand scopes, overseas. I for one am ashamed of myself for not support the companies in our own country and from this moment on will buy optics only made in the good old USA.</div></div>

So if you buy a Burris riflescope...are you planning on buying one made in the USA, Phillipines, or China?

Because Burris are no longer manufactured solely in the USA....and even Burris has caved in and allowed their name to be put on a Chinese scope (Fullfield Rimfire).

Alas, I'm not one of those who "don't think twice about paying $600 to $1000 for a scope." </div></div>

Burris is Italian owned company now (Beretta).

I prefer to buying American in principle but I put a high premium on quality and value. If the foreign product is better, I'll buy that.

 

[ChrisF]

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Agree with most of whats been said ,

But I also believe , WE have brought into Consumerism in a big way.

We FEEL we need more than we use to have , and we want it cheaper than before .

But that drives the quality down , and things ARE not made to last like they use to be( they are cheaper ) , keeps the factories going , as all the crap we now buy , breaks in short order , so need to buy replacements .

rampant consumerism , is required to keep our banks keeping us all in debt , and keep the banking system from collapsing .
Banks have more to answer for than most people ever realise , however WE are not with out blame , We have brought into there plan , and the GovT has legallised IT .

Later Chris

 

[Guest]

Re: How quickly we forget and abandon

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halvis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Delivering a consistent QUALITY product, at a reasonable price point, year in and year out, is something the Japanese have learned and do well, we could learn a thing or 3 from them.</div></div>

The ironic thing is, the Japanese are so good at what they do largely thanks to the efforts of an American espousing novel ideas about quality and manufacturing more than 40 years ago.

Back in the 50's a man named William Deming compiled his ideas and others about how US manufacturing, specifically Detroit auto makers, could cut design time, improve quality and bring to market better products. He was unceremoniously tossed out on his ass, most believe due to union influences, and took his message to the Japanese people, who were just beginning to rebuild after WW2.

Deming's concepts have been belatedly implemented here, although sporadically, with some obvious benefits. But the union stranglehold is largely to blame for our inability to compete in a worldwide market. The coal mines taught us that there is a need for representation. American cars specifically, but other sectors of American manufacturing also, should teach us that we need to seriously rethink how we move forward in a world economy unless we wish to become irrelevant.

John </div></div>

+1

I think the bulk of responders here are to young to recall the 5 an Dime stores of the 50's where the "Jap Junk" was being sold. Then along came the 60's with Toyota's being laughed at by many(self included)while the "Taiwan junk" was flowing in, along with Camera's from what now was being refered to as "Japan". China is just another link in the free hanging Anchor Chain, that will quickly bring down America when it snags bottom, an all do to greed.

Alot of folks don't realize we the "United States Of America" was the largest exporter of "How to Mine, Drill, Mfg, an Manage". Then in the 60's the ability of the public to lift the vail, and see what was behind door #3 was born, and it's been sliding down hill at an ever quicking pace

The latest twist in the rush to destroy ourselfs, is upping the bottom line from the workers pockets, all the while claiming X__________ and that lesson will arrive at your Managements door step, shortly.
Keep the short sightedness going America, it's working perfect,.... I wonder if the one world Gov. thing, might work better for <span style="font-weight: bold">ME,... </span> fuck everybody else,.... well thats the way everybody else is, why can't I? Then again I have Grand Children, what kind of life am I leaving for them, or am I the odd guy out?

 

[Lightscout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halvis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well Glen, I almost agree with you 100%, except for the fact that we can never be on a completely level field. We simply cannot compete with lower costs and wages abroad in developing countries. Many millions of non union textile manufacturing jobs left the US forever in the last 4 decades, and most other manufacturing started following suit shortly thereafter. We kept moving into higher and higher tech products, but eventually they too just moved overseas. I know of a plant here that paid $14.50 an hour for semi skilled line workers, that shut down and moved to China where they pay the equivalent of $0.67 an hour per worker.</div></div>

I agree with Halvis. Developing countries are where we were at 60-80 years ago. They are going through their Industrial Age while we have moved on to our Information Age. I don't think companies get ahead by competing on a level playing field. You want the field tilted in your favor. Where we can still compete is in the innovations we design. Even here, other countries are catching up.

I think we whine too much. If we want manufacturing back, we need to either A)innovate more (use machines to make more parts of higher quality in shorter time) than the competition or B)come to the realization that the wages our workers will make will be much lower than in the past. IMHO, fact of the matter is that our advantage is no longer in production capacity, it is in technology and information. The days of millions of semi-skilled manufacturing jobs making pretty good money are gone in the US.

Sooner or later the rest of the world will advance to their Information Age. Hopefully by that time we've figured out the next step and moved into our ??????? Age.