2025 SHOT Show Optics

[Tikkaguy]

Mini thermal optic. $699.00

Pistol Sights Fast Mini FMP13

The INFITAC Fast Mini Series introduces the FMP13, featuring a compact thermal scope with a 256x192 resolution at a 60Hz refresh rate. It includes a 13mm F1.0 lens and a 1.4-inch 360x300 display. Designed for rugged use, the FMP13 is IP67 waterproof and can withstand up a 1200g of recoil...

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Maybe a auxiliary yote spotter for a day optic and a light

 

[JMo22]

You know, it's funny that many of us on here rib on MOA scopes, but we measure how our rifles perform in MOA lol... You will hear/read where we refer to targets and being a .2 or a .4mil target ect, but when have you ever heard someone refer to their rifle as shooting a .3mil group?

Neither here nor there, just kind of funny. Even in our mil world, some things will remain MOA.

I always thought this was amusing as well, glad I'm not the only one! I really think humans just crave tribalism so we create it wherever we can and pretend like there's some intrinsic value in it. I've yet to have someone that swears by MIL's power of ten explain how they've actually used it in any sort of practical way. "Oh it's not a metric system thing" but it only really helps with other base-10 systems which are metric. Nobody is measuring 1/1000th of a yard.

 

[koshkin]

I always thought this was amusing as well, glad I'm not the only one! I really think humans just crave tribalism so we create it wherever we can and pretend like there's some intrinsic value in it. I've yet to have someone that swears by MIL's power of ten explain how they've actually used it in any sort of practical way. "Oh it's not a metric system thing" but it only really helps with other base-10 systems which are metric. Nobody is measuring 1/1000th of a yard.

1 mrad is one yard at 1000 yards. I use that all the time.

Mrad works seamlessly with any units as long as you use turf sage units for distance and target size.

Ilya

 

[Glassaholic]

1 mrad is one yard at 1000 yards. I use that all the time.

Me too, 18" at 500 yards as well, great for quick ranging math, here's a good chart as it relates to brisket to back...

 

[JMo22]

1 mrad is one yard at 1000 yards. I use that all the time.

Mrad works seamlessly with any units as long as you use turf sage units for distance and target size.

Ilya

Yes I know that, but I've never known anyone to estimate target size in yards, thus eliminating the benefit

 

[Glassaholic]

Yes I know that, but I've never known anyone to estimate target size in yards, thus eliminating the benefit

How about 36" or divisions of 36", like 18" or 6', can you think of anything that might translate?

 

[CK1.0]

Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why anyone would care about a 2-10 MPVO?

To me it’s like: if you’re only going to go up to 10x, just make us a more better/nicer 1-10 LPVO then… because if I’m going to have to run a dot too anyways, I might as well pony up for the 4-20x and live with an extra few ounces for my near $4K.

And those reticles…

C’mon ZCO… SMH

 

[JMo22]

How about 36" or divisions of 36", like 18" or 6', can you think of anything that might translate?

I'm not saying the math is impossible just that it isn't as intuitive as the MIL loyalists would have you believe, especially when dealing with targets of an unknown size at unknown distances. When you're using a range finder and ballistic calculator the units become irrelevant

 

[HaydenLane]

Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why anyone would care about a 2-10 MPVO?

To me it’s like: if you’re only going to go up to 10x, just make us a more better/nicer 1-10 LPVO then… because if I’m going to have to run a dot too anyways, I might as well pony up for the 4-20x and live with an extra few ounces for my near $4K.

And those reticles…

C’mon ZCO… SMH

Probably because 10x erector scopes are riddled with compromise

 

[JMo22]

Probably because 10x erector scopes are riddled with compromise

2-10 is only a 5x erector though

 

[ohiofarmer]

2-10 is only a 5x erector though

Thus proving @HaydenLane ’s point

 

[Tx_Aggie]

I always thought this was amusing as well, glad I'm not the only one! I really think humans just crave tribalism so we create it wherever we can and pretend like there's some intrinsic value in it. I've yet to have someone that swears by MIL's power of ten explain how they've actually used it in any sort of practical way. "Oh it's not a metric system thing" but it only really helps with other base-10 systems which are metric. Nobody is measuring 1/1000th of a yard.

Okay…

Please explain to me how I can make gun number (for wind calls) or speed drop work with an MOA reticle.

 

[JMo22]

Okay…

Please explain to me how I can make gun number (for wind calls) or speed drop work with an MOA reticle.

I didn't say MIL doesn't have any benefits or applications, did I? Don't take it personal.

 

[stanley_white]

Okay…

Please explain to me how I can make gun number (for wind calls) or speed drop work with an MOA reticle.

-Stan

 

[Tx_Aggie]

I didn't say MIL doesn't have any benefits or applications, did I? Don't take it personal.

Not taking anything personally, and didn't mean to be snarky. You just said this: "I've yet to have someone that swears by MIL's power of ten explain how they've actually used it in any sort of practical way."

And I so I thought it worthwhile to point out a way that MRAD has a practical advantage over MOA. If you're already aware of the things I mentioned, cool.

 

[JMo22]

Not taking anything personally, and didn't mean to be snarky. You just said this: "I've yet to have someone that swears by MIL's power of ten explain how they've actually used it in any sort of practical way."

And I so I thought it worthwhile to point out a way that MRAD has a practical advantage over MOA. If you're already aware of the things I mentioned, cool.

Gotcha, I've actually been looking into it since your reply because I wasn't aware of those things. So thanks for teaching me something new. It's always a good day on the internet when you learn something.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

Gotcha, I've actually been looking into it since your reply because I wasn't aware of those things. So thanks for teaching me something new. It's always a good day on the internet when you learn something.

I could not agree more!!

 

[CK1.0]

Probably because 10x erector scopes are riddled with compromise

2-10 is only a 5x erector though

Thus proving @HaydenLane ’s point

I get it, and agreed that the 10x erector isn’t ideal.

I just think, using a 5x erector scope as an example, if I’m going to have to run a dot and an MPVO, why not just do a 3-15x (or 4-20x)..?

I know 10x is enough mag for most intended use cases with a 1-10 LPVO (or 2-10) being for PID more so than taking longer shots.

But, personally, if I’m going to have to run 2 sights anyways, I’d rather have more mag on the top end and the ability to park the MPVO somewhere in the middle sweet spot most of the time (where most scopes perform best anyways) and have more capability for longer shots if need be.

YMMV/JMHO

 

[HaydenLane]

But, personally, if I’m going to have to run 2 sights anyways, I’d rather have more mag on the top end and the ability to park the MPVO somewhere in the middle sweet spot most of the time (where most scopes perform best anyways) and have more capability for longer shots if need be.

I would guess that a 2-10 makes it an easier sell to guys running clip-ons and such, but that’s not me. I personally have a 3-12 with a piggyback on my only scoped gas gun.

My only problem with 2-10 is that it isn’t 2-12. We know you can get an excellent and forgiving scope at a reasonable price in a 6x erector.

 

[ma smith]

I would guess that a 2-10 makes it an easier sell to guys running clip-ons and such, but that’s not me. I personally have a 3-12 with a piggyback on my only scoped gas gun.

My only problem with 2-10 is that it isn’t 2-12. We know you can get an excellent and forgiving scope at a reasonable price in a 6x erector.

Aren't alot (if not all) of those recen 2-10 .mil contract scopes? Did any one ever have any light on what the design brief was of the contract?

 

[Burdy]

I don't understand what's causing you to take more time to set the diopter with the fast focus eyepieces compared to others. You can tell right away where the prior user left the diopter setting and you can move it in one second. If it's your scope, you can then lock it in place by tightening up the lock ring, easy peasy.

The tracking scope is an interesting design and I will have more to say about it over time. Currently, it's a concept design and in my opinion (for what that's worth), it has a lot of potential. We shall see.

I was there all week, and my name was on my white vest, the same name as here, Denys. I spoke with a lot of people and it's all a blur now.

It is not the optics fault, nor is it the mechanical/functional speed I am speaking of. Specifically with the DFP scopes from March, given the DFP design, the high erector ratio and short scope body, there is a pickiness in the initial set up that I don't find in other optics. The DOF/Side Focus/Parallax is very sensitive to magnification changes and it always requires quite a bit of dialing in/out to get the sight picture I am looking for.

I've gone around the world over the past few years with scopes and I keep coming back to mid-mag, mid-length scopes with 4-5x erectors that are just overall extremely forgiving in their sight picture. I find that all the other stuff is great if I am sitting still and have all the time in the world, but the compromises they make when I myself, or something I am trying hit/kill is on the move, those compromises can be down right detrimental. It's just a personal use case thing.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

-Stan

Nothing against Matt, he's freaking awesome, and is just trying to help folks who insist on sticking with MOA (or who are stuck with it for some reason beyond their control), but that method doesn't seem nearly as intuitive to me as an MRAD based gun number.

This is because if you want to hold wind you're going to end up either counting "clicks" (hashmarks) in the reticle and ignoring the numbers denoting MOA, or having to divide your answer in "clicks" by 4 to convert it back to MOA.