Suppressors How quiet really is the ultra 5?

[flyfisherman246]

Tried searching all over the internet. I have an ultra 7 and am extremely happy with it. I am seriously looking to get an ultra 5 to keep length and weight down on an ar10 and for hunting rifle. I understand it is optimum for .300 blackout they say but rated for .300 win mag. They also call it a moderator, not a suppressor. I have heard there isn't much difference between the ultra 7 and 9 but the 5 is a huge difference in noise. My local dealer has all the ultras and he let me shoot the 5 right after the 7 on a 7-08 bolt gun indoors. This wasn't much of a comparison since they were both loud as shit inside, and I have no way to shoot the ultra 5 outdoors where I would be using it.

I am not looking to lay down and pump 200 rounds without ear plugs with the ultra 5, I'm mostly looking for something short that I can shoot at a coyote or gopher out of the truck with, without ear plugs. Or just the occasional target shooting. Is this ultra 5 going to fit the bill, or will I be dreading pulling the trigger every time I go to shoot due to the noise? I'm not talking about osha's standards of what is hearing safe, I'm talking practical everyday rifle use noise. I have no problem whatsoever shooting my ultra 7 without ear plugs, how would the ultra 5 compare?

Any other recommendations on short lighter weight cans that still maintain accuracy and consistency? What about the surefire 7.62 mini?

Thanks for the help?

 

[Zak Smith]

We call it a suppressor.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-5



Go to the youtube video itself for dB measurements in the video description. Also dB data on the Ultra 5 page itself.

I think it will fit your needs quiet well. Most people who have it use it for that purpose.

I also don't think you'll find a quieter 5" suppressor

 

[turboek]

Comparing the my Ultra 5 .30 cal shooting 6.5 to my buddies Sandman K .30 cal also shooting 6.5 through it it was a night and day difference, Ultra 5 was by far quieter.

 

[SporterII]

Watching the video was amusing. 300 Win mag. It also seems to show effectiveness well for me as I have very limited exposure to this equipment. I recently called and inquired about a 5 for a 300mag with a 27"bbl. 7 or 9 is what was recommended. I want to try the five, but I am my own worst enemy.

 

[Geno C.]

Zak has talked me out of an ultra 5 at least half a dozen times. Each time I look back and think, man, I should really get an ultra 5

 

[D_TROS]

tHE 5" suppressor is my dream suppressor for hunting and even though not as quiet as my ultra 7, it takes the edge off for hunting and low rnd shooting. A very noce compromise. I highly recommend it.

whole package under 12 lbs. 10 without the pod.
Regards,
DT

 

[Zak Smith]

Zak has talked me out of an ultra 5 at least half a dozen times. Each time I look back and think, man, I should really get an ultra 5

Ok, ok, I'll shut up now!!!

 

[Geno C.]

Ok, ok, I'll shut up now!!!

Now if you’d make a 358 ultra 5 you couldn’t talk me out of it! ?

 

[flyfisherman246]

Yeah I've been talked out of it a couple times by a couple people also saying its loud. I don't understand the decibel scale and what a couple decibels difference means. For people who don't have the soft OSHA ears, is the ultra 5 quiet enough for a few shots hear and there without plugs? Thanks

 

[D_TROS]

Noticably louder. Fantastic for hunting or just 1-3 shots. Obviously its only about 1 million times better than a bare barrel and 50 million times better than a brake while hunting. Even the full size suppressors you should wear protection. Repeated blasts will wear on your hearing.

The cool thing about hearing protection...The less you use it...the less you need it...hahaha.


DT

 

[wfjames22]

I’ve got the itch to buy a pair of ultra 5’s for my father and I to use while hunting. My dilemma is whether to go with 6.5 or 30. If 95% of the time they are going to be used on 6.5 Creedmoor, 260 or 6.5 Grendel, is the increased sound reduction worth going with the 6.5 ultra 5 instead of the 30cal? Obviously this means we would have to use our old school 30p-1’s if we were using our 300wm’s or 308’s but if I were to get two 30 ultra 5 cans then we could use them on 100% of our hunting trips since neither of us own anything larger than a 300wm.

Thoughts?

 

[Strykervet]

I originally got a 30CB9 --the one previous to the Ultras. It's a 9" .30 can. I also got a 9" 6.5 Ultra and 5" .30 Ultra. The 6.5 dedicated can is really nice on a 6.5G. I mostly use the 5" on a .300BLK (same as the 30CB9).

The 5" is amazing for what it is. IIRC, it's not listed as a moderator, it's a no-shit suppressor. A moderator can't suppress to hearing safe levels. The Ultra 5 can suppress just under the cut-off, making it a suppressor, technically. It's much quieter than nothing at all for sure, and yes, you could easily hunt or fire a few rounds without earpro and without worry. I wouldn't put it on a semi and just do mag dumps with it with no earpro though.

I went with 9" for the most performance and the 5" strictly for size and weight. The 7", to me, seems like the "best all around" and the one you'd get if you didn't want the other two. But that's just me. Shaving two inches off and a couple ounces won't make that much difference, at least not to me.

6.5 vs. .30... It's not THAT big of a deal really, but if you have the means to get the dedicated can I'd go that route. There probably isn't a better can for the Grendel than the 9" Ultra in 6.5. But since I use the 5" mostly on BLK's, I got it in .30. It still works fine for the 6.5, though I bet a dedicated 6.5 5" would be better. Maybe some day.

If you've got rifles with mounts already, and already have a TBAC can, why not get a 5"? Especially if you're hunting or fooling around with SBR's, which is where they really shine.

 

[wfjames22]

I appreciate your insight Stryker. My current tbac cans are direct thread and the ultra 5s will be as well.

I’m just trying to decide if the benefit of the increased performance on the smaller calibers with a 6.5 ultra 5 (where they’ll be used 90% of the time) outweighs the penalty of having to use a longer can that I already own on larger caliber guns, all obviously for hunting only. First world problems, right? I’ve got other rifle cans to use for everything else.

 

[BJames]

A buddy of mine up here in AK uses an Ultra 5 on his carbon fibered out 300 Norma. Frank talks about it in the earlier podcasts. For hunting/low round count use, it’s amazing. Like everyone is saying, it knocks off the edge considerably and keeps weight down. Perfect hunting can, though prone shooting an all up 10 lb 300 Norma will compress a spine slightly.

 

[264win]

I have been eyeing an ultra 5 for a while despite having a 6” Liberty can. Shaving an inch and 10 oz on the end of a mountain rifle is a big deal.

 

[TSean]

I appreciate your insight Stryker. My current tbac cans are direct thread and the ultra 5s will be as well.

I’m just trying to decide if the benefit of the increased performance on the smaller calibers with a 6.5 ultra 5 (where they’ll be used 90% of the time) outweighs the penalty of having to use a longer can that I already own on larger caliber guns, all obviously for hunting only. First world problems, right? I’ve got other rifle cans to use for everything else.

Hi wfjames22,

Having both 6.5 and .30 TBAC Ultra 7's, I got .30 when I went to Ultra 5's. To me the added versatility and not having to be extra careful on which suppressor I grabbed ( I shoot calibers from .224 to .300/.308 through them) was a much much better benefit than the marginal increase in performance from the 6.5 bore can on a 6.5 rifle. I could not hear a difference, despite the data saying it is a bit quieter...and accuracy etc. was the same/no difference...so it really had no big benefit to me after testing. In fact, I am sending my 6.5 U7's to be re-cored as .30's so I can use all of them across all my standard calibers. Since you guys do have some .308's and .300wm's, I would say it is a no brainier choice for the .30 version. Make your life easier and the cans more useful.

Also if you haven't had your 30 P-1 re-cored by TBAC (they swap you to the Ultra 9 internals), I highly recommend that move as well. The increase in performance and drop in weight make those older cans much more useful all around (not such a weight burden as compared to the new cans, and maximum suppression!).

To the OP flyfisherman246, for what you describe the Ultra 5 will be awesome, especially if coming from the U7 (as noted) you are looking for an even lighter/more compact setup while keeping good suppression. If you are going to do any target shooting, I would still highly recommend ear pro. (regardless of which suppressor you use), but for a few shots from the truck/around the ranch and/or hunting (presumably 1 or a couple of shots) it is no big deal. For the record I now predominantly use my U5's on standard calibers with no issues (noise or otherwise). It won't be as quiet as the U7 (and will heat up quicker), but I promise you'll love the U5 for what you describe. The shorter length helps maneuverability more than you would think as another benefit. You will still have your U7 to use too if you prefer sometimes or for specific uses/rifles. Win/win.

Hope that all helps y'all. Have a good one!

Best regards,
TSean

 

[The King]

I wonder if the u5 would live on a sig rattler

 

[Zak Smith]

In fact, I am sending my 6.5 U7's to be re-cored as .30's so I can use all of them across all my standard calibers.

Cannot be done. The caliber of the suppressor cannot be changed once it has been manufactured, per ATF rules.

 

[wfjames22]

Hi wfjames22,

Having both 6.5 and .30 TBAC Ultra 7's, I got .30 when I went to Ultra 5's. To me the added versatility and not having to be extra careful on which suppressor I grabbed ( I shoot calibers from .224 to .300/.308 through them) was a much much better benefit than the marginal increase in performance from the 6.5 bore can on a 6.5 rifle. I could not hear a difference, despite the data saying it is a bit quieter...and accuracy etc. was the same/no difference...so it really had no big benefit to me after testing. In fact, I am sending my 6.5 U7's to be re-cored as .30's so I can use all of them across all my standard calibers. Since you guys do have some .308's and .300wm's, I would say it is a no brainier choice for the .30 version. Make your life easier and the cans more useful.

Also if you haven't had your 30 P-1 re-cored by TBAC (they swap you to the Ultra 9 internals), I highly recommend that move as well. The increase in performance and drop in weight make those older cans much more useful all around (not such a weight burden as compared to the new cans, and maximum suppression!).

To the OP flyfisherman246, for what you describe the Ultra 5 will be awesome, especially if coming from the U7 (as noted) you are looking for an even lighter/more compact setup while keeping good suppression. If you are going to do any target shooting, I would still highly recommend ear pro. (regardless of which suppressor you use), but for a few shots from the truck/around the ranch and/or hunting (presumably 1 or a couple of shots) it is no big deal. For the record I now predominantly use my U5's on standard calibers with no issues (noise or otherwise). It won't be as quiet as the U7 (and will heat up quicker), but I promise you'll love the U5 for what you describe. The shorter length helps maneuverability more than you would think as another benefit. You will still have your U7 to use too if you prefer sometimes or for specific uses/rifles. Win/win.

Hope that all helps y'all. Have a good one!

Best regards,
TSean

I appreciate the input Tsean. I went ahead and had my dealer order a pair of 30 cal ultra 5’s last week because of all the reasons you stated, nice to hear my suspicions confirmed though. Now if Zak, Ray and team could get those bad boys spun up quickly, it’d be great...I kid, I kid...ha

@Zak Smith , what’s the price to recore a 30p-1?

 

[Zak Smith]

Recore details https://thunderbeastarms.com/recore

 

[wfjames22]

Thanks sir

 

[Crews]

I’ve got one, and use it for much the same thing you’re describing. I love it, and would buy another one in a heartbeat if I had to do it all again. It’s a suppressor, and it suppresses very well for a can no bigger than a church mouse.

 

[TSean]

I appreciate the input Tsean. I went ahead and had my dealer order a pair of 30 cal ultra 5’s last week because of all the reasons you stated, nice to hear my suspicions confirmed though. Now if Zak, Ray and team could get those bad boys spun up quickly, it’d be great...I kid, I kid...ha

@Zak Smith , what’s the price to recore a 30p-1?

Nice work! Yea I chimed in a little late, but obviously you made the right choice. Excellent moves!!

One final note if you are considering the re-core is that you are basically upgrading to the Ultra 9 without having to wait 9 months for the paperwork. Just a couple of weeks tops for the swap direct from TBAC. For me that made the price more than worth it, especially when you consider the Ultra 9 is one of the bigger step-ups in suppression (if you are on the fence at all). Have a good one!

Best regards,
TSean

 

[TSean]

Cannot be done. The caliber of the suppressor cannot be changed once it has been manufactured, per ATF rules.

Hi Zak,

Well that sucks. I must misremember the convo. from calling in. Sorry for that bad info. Bummer on the no swap, but I appreciate the clarification.

Best regards,
TSean