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HUGE ISSUE WITH BUDSGUNSHOP.COM

futurerider103

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Minuteman
Aug 22, 2011
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Springfield Mo
So on 1/24/11 I ordered a Savage Mark II from them on 1/24/11 for a couple of reasons. 1. It was the lowest I was able to find. 2. It was the only place I could find it outside of the local show we has that had a $100 mark up from MSRP and 3. Im already a VIP member with them.

My issue starts on my own fault when I tried to place the order with the wrong billing address. I'll chalk that up as my bad. Then I call then after I updated the billing address and my order still won't go through. The rep on the phone told me that the cars has been declined. This should not be the case so I went to my bank to see what the problem is. I found out that they had tried to run my card and it held the pre authorization amount of $259.47 leaving funds not available for the order to go through. I asked if there was any way for them to return the funds being held so I can order my gun today"? The rep said there is nothing she can do to get the funds released back to my acct. She then told me that she can hold my order if I can pay some money down. I say ok how much you need. She told me $20 on a credit/debit card will do. I said ok provided her my debit card and what do you know it was ran through with the incorrect address on her side AGAIN which leaves me with another $20 pre authorization fee. I did allow her to take the charge again using a the correct billing address. All is hunky dory now I just wait for my funds to be released back to my bank.

Ok so I waited until 1/27/11 to let the money get back into my acct before i was going to pay the order off. The 27th also happens to be the same day I get paid as well. I called my bank to see if the funds($259 for the gun and $20 for the payment to hold the gun) have been put back into my acct from the initial issue and they said they should be released by 6pm tonight I called in and the first thing I told the sales rep on the phone was that I need to update my credit card address so the order will process then I provided the credit card number as he asks then he asked for my address and said it was declined. I said "no way not possible there is over $1000 in the bank and I had checked before calling". He tells me "oh lets update the address first" now he runs it and the order goes through just fine.

Immediately I called my bank to confirm my suspecions that he had indeed caused another pre authorization charge of $239.47 but it gets better he ran the card 2 times with the incorrect addres causing 2 pre authorization charges as well as the charge for the order!
Now I'm pretty upset and I get collected and call up Buds customer service and ask to seak with a manager to resolve a billing issue. I did get in touch with a manager but I forgot his name(extention 7152) and he tells me to get the fax number to my bank and who the fax needs to go to to release the funds with his MERCHANT ID which I had asked for on 1/24/11. I explained I had asked for this before but alls well and I'll get the info he requests. My bank said that they will not be able to release the money back into my acct even if this is something that the merchant was providing.

I am still at the bank and I call the manager back and I did ask for some sort of compensation for the troubles I have been cause now holding up a total of $997.88 of my money. The guy said there is nothing else he can do. I did explain my frustration and exlained if he were to look at my acct he will see since July of 2011 I've purchased 5 guns from him and may purchase another in about 2 weeks. He told me "since you purchased your VIP membership at a different time I won't be able to refund that membership fee. I then asked him to cancel my order and asked for the restocking fee to be refunded as well. I was told he will cancel the order but he won't refund the restocking fee because the order has already shipped. I said there is no way that it has shipped because it's only been 1hr since I placed the order. Still her refused so now I'm looking for another gun as well as warning everyone to steer clear from BUDSGUNSHOP.COM for fear this could happen to you as well.
 
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They're horrible to deal with. I've been there several times. They always show me what I want to see from the cases, don't to pressure me to buy anything, know what they're talking about and don't come off as arrogant assholes. They have no idea how to run a proper gun shop. Hell, I went there once to shoot and they were hosting a rimfire tourney in their range. Since I couldn't get in, they gave me a free pass for the next time I was up there.

I'm not willing to roast a company over a mistake that was originally (admittedly) someone's own fault. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: futurerider103</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My issue starts on my own fault when I tried to place the order with the wrong billing address. I'll chalk that up as my bad.</div></div> Yes, they should have corrected the billing address and not tried to run the card through. It also sounds like there's an issue with your bank not wanting to release the funds even though Bud's is willing to try and correct their error. Everyone screws up, I'd be pissed at a grand being tied up inaccessible in my account if I were you. Don't place the blame solely on a company that's shown it's willing to work with you though. All my dealings with them have been super.
 
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Ive purchased at least 8 guns from buds and never had a issue.
Are you seriously writing about last year or are you typing in the wrong date?
if you slow down and put in the correct information the first time, you probably wont have a issue.
Almost every finacial inst. ive ever dealt with has major melt down everytime you put diffrent addresses other than the billing. Then the bank and merchant spend days (even after the "pending fund" phase) to correct it.
Lastly you can change your own profile for buds online, it takes about a day to catch up but it works.
And yes I read; the sales assc. screwed up trying fix *your* mistake. Sure thats frustrating, but dont bash a company for it. Be pateint it takes a few days to fix, let it work out and reorder sometime mid next month, at that time *double check your order before you confirm*
This company has bent over backwards on an order, and im sure they will correct it if you collect yourself and contact them.

RESTOCKING FEE:

and i quote on your agreement striaght from buds in bold in bigger font....

CANCELLATION AND ORDER CHANGE FEES

We invest time and money to prepare every order that is placed on our site, <span style="color: #CC0000">even before the order ships</span>. After you have placed your order online, or over the phone with a sales associate you will be charged 10% restocking fee if you decide to cancel order or substitute products. Adding items to an existing order will not be charged any additional fee. By placing an order or making a phone order with a sales associate you agree to pay this 10% restocking fee should you cancel or change your order. Our business is not set up to change orders easily. We apologize for having to implement these changes, but change was made in order to keep our prices low for our customers.

link: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/conditions.php

...look sometimes life sucks and we get a ciataion or pay a BS fee because we screwed up. I understand that, i really do. But dont bash their site here, over it.
 
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I've bought several guns from them in the past two years and so have several friends all without issue. I even had the wrong address once and it didn't preauth my card it simply wouldn't process the transaction. I ended up having to call my order in and it was processed immediately over the phone. Typically if the address doesn't match it will deny the authorization completely and not pre-auth it. Sounds like you had a bad day and possibly some bank issues combined.

If they are in fact charging you a restocking fee on an item that hasn't shipped I agree that is BS.
 
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I am going to go out on a limb and say that it is your fault. Not a fuck you it's your fault, but a polite nice it is your fault. If your address gets messed up with whoever you are doing a charge with this will be the exact process you will have to go through. Whether or not it is buds gun shop or McDonalds online. This is just the way credit card and bank cards work. Most of the time if the address is wrong, EVEN if something simple like using a "#" before an apartment number and not using it when you order will sometimes not let the card work. I will say it sucks for you if that makes it feel better.
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Don't use a debit card, always use a real credit card.

If you use a debit card they can jerk you around endlessly.

Use a real credit card & if they try to jerk you around, a phone call and possibly also a letter or fax to your credit card company will get your money back and most likely they will have to pay an extra $50 to the credit card company.

Their line about the moment you place your order we charge a 10% restocking fee is BS and their whining about our system can't change orders is just stupid.

That's why I say use a real credit card and a lot of the problems go away, credit card companies have a vested interest in making sure their customers are happy & couldn't care less about if the merchants like it or not.
 
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This sucks that this happened to you. Its a series oferrors with no ill intent. I've worked in and aroundretail for a long time, and these issues come up often using debit cards. Just a word to thepublic, a debit card, even when backed by master card or visa, even when"run" as a credit card is not the same as a credit card when handling pre authorizations. This comes up often with rental cars, hotels, airlines and on occasion gas stations when payingat the pump. When a pre auth or hold is placed on a debit card it doesn't match up the sme way as it does with a credit card when the actual transaction is placed. Typically this happens when the amounts are not the same or a piece of info doesn't match exactly. With credit cards the system is more flexibl to acknowledge that the first transaction was a hold and should be relased by te second. With debit cards if the second transaction, typically te final sale, is not exactly matching the pre auth or hold it treats it as two different transaction and will tie up your funds. Thefirst transaction esential flots in merchant service limbo. Some banks clear theseup faster tha others. Most will auto expire in 20-30 days if there is no coresponding charge.
The only way around it is to make sure a "hold" is never placed on a debit card. Havethem take a full sale then refund any remaining credit. Both transaction will process faster
 
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Some info for you for future transactions.

The Pre-Auth holds....these are holds on funds, not actual transactions. Most banks (maybe not yours) have a time out on Pre-Auth holds that will expire and drop off in 24hrs if the transaction is not competed. Pre-Auth holds happen alot, you just don't realize it. If you get gas and pay at the pump, regardless of how much you get (less than $50) you still get a $50 hold placed on your account for every swipe at the pump. So, if you pull up, swipe, pump $25 in gas, you will have a $50 hold on your account for ~ 24hrs.

Address info...regardless of debit or credit, if you or they put in the incorrect billing addy, it's going to fuck up. If your doing an online order, it will simply decline the order. If your doing a phone order and the merchant manually keys it in, it's going to Pre-Auth from the terminal and then it will be declined. This happened with actual credit cards same as debit cards. Happened to me 2wks ago with SWFA on some scope rings. I had to call the CC company and give them the merchants authorization number and they cleared the charge. Bottom line, just call the CC company and get your addys updated before you try to order.

Buds guns....I've bought several guns from them, never a issue. They have all been phone in orders. Yes, it sucks that your funds got held up, but it was as much yor fault as it was theirs. They shouldn't have repeatedly ran your card, but your bank should have dropped the holds within 24hrs when there was no activity on them.

Don't use your debit card for purchases like this. Use a credit card regardless. You have alot more protection and leverage with a real CC than with your debit card, even if it's a "Visa" debit card. Merchants all sign merchant agreements with visa or whatever CC's they support. They have to abide by the merchant agreements or have their card services revoked.

Just chalk it up as a lesson learned.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't use a debit card, always use a real credit card.

If you use a debit card they can jerk you around endlessly.

Use a real credit card & if they try to jerk you around, a phone call and possibly also a letter or fax to your credit card company will get your money back and most likely they will have to pay an extra $50 to the credit card company.

Their line about the moment you place your order we charge a 10% restocking fee is BS and their whining about our system can't change orders is just stupid.

That's why I say use a real credit card and a lot of the problems go away, credit card companies have a vested interest in making sure their customers are happy & couldn't care less about if the merchants like it or not.

</div></div>
+1 on that. I never do any transactions with a debit card. It's like sending cash in the mail. I've filed a dispute with several douche bag companies over restocking fees, double charges etc. (by the way what the fuck is a restocking fee!?!? You mean putting the item back on the shelf, that's a restocking fee.....yeah fuck them) and every time I have gotten my money back with no problems.

I bought my Rem 700 AAC from Buds and had an easy transaction so I can't relate to your problem but I know how you feel.
 
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Forgive me but, I still like 100 dollar bills and dealing with folks face to face. When you have my gun I give you money.
I have been screwed by both credit and debit cards companys.
Not so much a dealer. If I dont like something I dont have to pay you, there is never a problem with transfers or charges.
It sucks that folks are gettin the run around like this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't use a debit card, always use a real credit card. </div></div>

Needs to be said a BAZILLION times.

Debit cards are bad, BAD news...especially when it comes to fraud or retailer errors.
 
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More of a banking problem than a buds problem.
Banks can place holds on your account instantaneously 24/7 when you use your card to make a purchase.

They are not nearly as nimble when you make a deposit. It's not so much that they don't have your deposited funds available as it is a matter of them wanting to a few things with them before releasing them to your account.