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Suppressors Hunting suppressor

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Vulture23

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#1
I'm looking for a hunting suppressor. I think I've narrowed it down to 3.
Q- FUll nelson, titanium- I like the fact direct thread. don't have to worry about buying mounts. (should be quietest) mainly going for simplicity , but tapers are behind threads unlike the thunder chicken and gunwerks.
Q - Thunder chicken- titanium
Gunwerks - 8ight. looks like a 17-4 copy of a thunder chicken , but part of gun works is long range precision shooting so.. kinda hope this ones got some points there.
 
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Vulture23 said:
Gunwerks - 8ight. looks like a 17-4 copy of a thunder chicken , but part of gun works is long range precision shooting so.. kinda hope this ones got some points there.
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I realize you said "looks like a copy", but that Gunwerks silencer isn't even close to being a "copy" of any Q silencer. The baffle geometry, baffle spacing, weld joints, and baffle clipping is completely different. They're also unported baffles, and the mount is different. They aren't even the same material.

In order for something to be a copy of something else, the thing being copied would have to be original in some way and have at least one original, unique feature in it that's also identifiable in the copy. But there's nothing in any Q rifle silencer that hasn't already been done decades ago, and in some cases 110 years ago. Q rifle silencers are copies of silencers from 1909 and 1910 (tightly packed, ported, thin, sharp angled baffles) and use a "tubeless" construction that's existed for well over a decade, just like 1.75" OD 7.62mm silencers have been made for well over a decade. The gas sealing taper in front of the threads is copied from a 2006 YHM patent for their mount. Using hex shaped tool features on a silencer dates back to 1910. None of those things were devised at any previous company Kevin Brittingham or any Q employee was working at either, so none of those features are unique to their individual pedigrees or Q at all.

The only thing similar between Gunwerks and Q is that they both use "tubeless" construction, something of which is over a decade old and was pioneered by neither company, and they're both round tubes with baffles.

If you look at it from a different standpoint, just as a generic example, it's like saying that the SIG P320 is a copy of a Glock 17 just because they're both striker fired handguns, even though the striker firing mechanism used in both of them was invented well over 100 years ago and it's a technology that's free for anyone to use. Of course they'll have their own nuances, so do silencers. One company can do something better or worse, but neither are the original and in basic terms SIG isn't copying Glock.

The Q and SIG the silencers excel primarily with 300 Blackout but lag behind substantially with supersonic suppression. However, the SIG silencer is the better buy over Q for a few reasons. One, they'll be around a really long time. Two, the SIG silencers are stronger and are properly welded to the correct AWS standard for titanium. Three, SIG has a patent on a two piece muzzle device which allows the user to have a flash hider or slightly more effective horizontal muzzle brake. Four, the differences in sound reduction are almost negligible between the two so given 1, 2, and 3 the SIG is the better buy over Q. But just wait until another company makes a radial brake to fit on a tapered barrel shoulder, Kevin will throw a BF about it even though he didn't invent that at all. The Cherry Bomb is a copy of a muzzle device made since 2014 by a company in Holland for the Heckler & Koch G28 way before Q existed. This muzzle device also uses radial braking because the barrel shoulder is tapered and you can't shim a tapered shoulder to time a much more effective horizontal muzzle brake. So everyone who makes a muzzle brake to fit on a tapered barrel shoulder has to use a radial brake because they can't make a two part timeable muzzle brake because it'd violate SIG's patent. Someone would have to spend time making a work around for that.

The difference here is that one company, Q, is claiming to have invented and "innovated" these features, and it's a complete lie. When Kevin tries to tell his 55,000+ follower audience that other companies are copying his products and their features, it obviously implies that his products and their features are the original, which is a lie. He tries to tell everyone that Dead Air stole IP from Q, which is a lie. I've known Kevin for over twelve years, nothing changes with him.

The Q Full Nelson isn't even close to the quietest silencer you can buy if that's your main goal. Buy a Thunderbeast Ultra 9 or CGS Hyperion 762 (us).
 
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260284 said:
If you are going to make the investment and wait for a stamp, then it pays to buy from a company that makes a good product and treats you right if you have a problem. TBAC and Silencerco have customer service down. Just my opinion and everyone has one.
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Yeah, Kevin is cocky but he seems pretty good at what he does. I have utilized Q support a couple times now with great success. Had a cherry bomb stuck on a Sig 300blk barrel that was tapered, come to find out you don't need to use rokset on a tapered barrel. I rounded off the points on the break so I had to send it in for them to remove it. Turn around time of about 2 weeks, that included shipping. The other time I needed a cherry bomb for a 30 cal with a different thread pitch than what they offered on the website. A week later I had it in my hands. Communication and service was second to none.

I own a Thunder Chicken and use it on various platforms. It will be use on a Tikka T3 in 30-06 for bear and deer hunting this year.
 
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For center fires I have a Thunderbeast 30p-1. At that time there wasn't many or any of new shorter and lighter cans out. Now that i'm looking for a dedicated hunting rifle can, I have narrowed to the TB Ultra 7 or the new Varminter 4.0 from Dakota Silencer. I have buddies with the Varminter 3.0 and they are solid cans. The new 4.0 is modular, you can change it from a 9" to 7", and can be taken apart for cleaning. Probably the only 30cal suppressor that is modular and can be taken apart. Pretty dang unique!!

I have a Dakota Silencer rimfire can (Tango) and compared it to my previous one which was considered my many to be the best (SilencerCo Spectre II). And the Dakota Silencer was quieter, smaller and lighter. Dakota Silencer suppressors are made by Mack Bros out of Sturgis. They do good work. Normally I'd default to Thunder Beast because I think of them as "the best". But that Varminter 4.0 also has my attention now. It just came out very recently so I don't think there will be much for reviews yet.
 
#17
Wow, some serious hate.

Anyway. So if not Q, gun works vs tbac.

Tbac lighter, but threads in front taper. Proven.
Gun works, larger diameter. Correct taper thread orientation. Newer but an establish company on precision world.
 
#18
So a few things...

I have q and silencerco cans. Both companies have supported at a similar level.

kB is polarizing and does a certain marketing style that rubs people the wrong one. One of the problems people have with him is he doesn’t care what you think. He designs what he wants and could care less if people would do it differently because he does it his way. He has refused to sale to some people because of their attitude.

My q can is great. Everyone gets wrapped up in numbers and who does what testing with what equipment. Tone matters as much as dB yet people don’t test that. Find a can that meets your size requirements, weight requirements and mounting preferences and go with it. Everyone on the internet will say something else because everyone wants their purchase to be the right one.


I wouldn’t hesitate to by a silencero, tbac, or q as long as it was designed for what I wanted it to do. Ie saker is not a lightweight can. Not saying other brands are bad but I know these are good
 
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I actually have a Q suppressor. A thunder chicken. It is lightweight, quiet, and the mount has never failed me in any way. I have a trash panda and a half nelson in jail.

There are lots of good options. I just happened to choose Q. I'm sure i would be just as happy with other quality brands. My point is, you're not going to get an unbiased opinion about Q products here. Q, really Kevin, is almost universally hated here. His antics don't bother me, but i can see why some people are turned off by him. So take criticism of Q products with a little grain of salt. Or buy a tbac, deadair, gunwerks, etc. as i am sure they are great products as well.
 
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C_R_Slacker said:
I actually have a Q suppressor. A thunder chicken. It is lightweight, quiet, and the mount has never failed me in any way. I have a trash panda and a half nelson in jail.

There are lots of good options. I just happened to choose Q. I'm sure i would be just as happy with other quality brands. My point is, you're not going to get an unbiased opinion about Q products here. Q, really Kevin, is almost universally hated here. His antics don't bother me, but i can see why some people are turned off by him. So take criticism of Q products with a little grain of salt. Or buy a tbac, deadair, gunwerks, etc. as i am sure they are great products as well.
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Thank you reasonable adult.

To back this up. I had messaged Todd Huey, he recommended the thunder chicken. He actually gets to test alot of variety. He also prob puts 100x the rounds down range as most the keyboard jockeys.

Thanks. I will take all your considerations. I think I'm. Between a Q , tbac, gunwerks.
 
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I was between Q, Tbac, and Deadair. I'm a weight weenie so i ruled deadair out. My local gun store could get me a Q from their distributor, but not a Tbac. That's what made my decision. If/when i decide to buy another suppressor, I'll likely try something different just because.
 
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Vulture23 said:
Wow, some serious hate.

Anyway. So if not Q, gun works vs tbac.

Tbac lighter, but threads in front taper. Proven.
Gun works, larger diameter. Correct taper thread orientation. Newer but an establish company on precision world.
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Everything I said is verifiable. That's not hate, that's just the verifiable truth.

One thing you can do is try to find people that have actually had issues with having the taper behind the threads to see whether or not it's going to matter in the first place.

Again, TBAC Ultra 9 is way better than a Full Nelson or Thunder Chicken. Way stronger and much quieter with supersonic ammo and lighter too. And assuming you get the muzzle brake mounted TBAC silencer, you'll have a way more effective muzzle brake that isn't directing gas at the dirt directly below the brake. While minor in this case, the TBAC silencer also won't suffer from particle erosion as much as a Q silencer due to the differences in baffle geometry, and manufacturing process unless Q changed that recently. A TBAC Ultra 7, which is the midsize model, meters the same with supersonic 308 as a Q Thunder Chicken when properly metered on a BK Pulse system.

Unless someone with a capable meter gets a Gunwerks silencer and meters it properly in comparison to known baselines, no one is going to know whether or not it's quieter than anything else. It's hard to mess up stainless steel welds so I'm sure their welds are just fine. Titanium welds are significantly more sensitive and easy to do wrong.

Maybe you can be one of the first people with a Gunwerks silencer. Someone has to be the test case eventually. Plus, like the people at Thunderbeast, Dead Air, Rugged, Energetic, etc, they're good dudes.

If you're planning on buying later rather than sooner, the Dead Air Nomax is worth waiting for. Imagine a Nomad, but longer.


Vulture23 said:
Thank you reasonable adult.

To back this up. I had messaged Todd Huey, he recommended the thunder chicken. He actually gets to test alot of variety. He also prob puts 100x the rounds down range as most the keyboard jockeys.

Thanks. I will take all your considerations. I think I'm. Between a Q , tbac, gunwerks.
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The current thin bead SIG rifle silencers when compared to Q rifle silencers are superior in both weld strength and muzzle devices as previously stated.

Bottom line is, if you're really looking for the company that makes the the best product like you previously said, then don't bother looking at Q if supersonic sound suppression, weld strength/quality, a few ounces of weight, or brake effectiveness matters to you when compared to something like Thunderbeast.

C_R_Slacker said:
I actually have a Q suppressor. A thunder chicken. It is lightweight, quiet, and the mount has never failed me in any way. I have a trash panda and a half nelson in jail.

There are lots of good options. I just happened to choose Q. I'm sure i would be just as happy with other quality brands. My point is, you're not going to get an unbiased opinion about Q products here. Q, really Kevin, is almost universally hated here. His antics don't bother me, but i can see why some people are turned off by him. So take criticism of Q products with a little grain of salt. Or buy a tbac, deadair, gunwerks, etc. as i am sure they are great products as well.
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I actually have a Thunder Chicken as well. Actually, I have all of the Q silencers and even some duplicates of them. We bought all those along with ten of their Fix rifles and Honey Badger SBR a long while back. Not only do I know how they all perform on a proper meter and to the ear with a large assortment of hosts and ammo types and what the weak and strong points are of the various features and manufacturing/construction methods, I actually know the guy behind it all and know the kind of person he is in real life.

Would you rather he goes out and finds someone who's just going to omit information about performance, construction, welding, positives, negatives, design history, manufacturing methods, etc just so that person can seem unbiased?

It's not like I'm the one that has any reason to be lying to consumers. There's just no reason for me to do it. The truth is enough for people to figure things out for themselves, and that's all he's being provided, at least by me. The things I'm sharing here aren't "opinion". It's not my "opinion" that sharp angled, tightly packed, thin, ported baffles and hex features on silencers are from 1909/1910. It's not my "opinion" that tubeless silencers have been manfactured since at least 2005. It's not my "opinion" that a TBAC Ultra 9 meters quieter than a Q Full Nelson with supersonic 308 ammo. It's not my "opinion" that Q doesn't follow proper AWS welding standards for titanium. It's not my "opinion" that Kevin lies to consumers about a myriad of things. It's not my "opinion" that Kevin lies about other companies and their products. Etc, etc, etc.


Bias is irrelevant here. Facts are facts whether they're perceived as positive or not.


This isn't to go after you at all, and it's absolutely not to say you should be at all disappointed with your purchases. As long as you're happy with it then that's all that matters. Either way, compared to most silencers the Q/SIG models, particularly the full size ones, excel at subsonic Blackout suppression. This is just me explaining my position here, nothing more.
 
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paco ramirez said:
Everything I said is verifiable. That's not hate, that's just the verifiable truth.

One thing you can do is try to find people that have actually had issues with having the taper behind the threads to see whether or not it's going to matter in the first place.

Again, TBAC Ultra 9 is way better than a Full Nelson or Thunder Chicken. Way stronger and much quieter with supersonic ammo and lighter too. And assuming you get the muzzle brake mounted TBAC silencer, you'll have a way more effective muzzle brake that isn't directing gas at the dirt directly below the brake. While minor in this case, the TBAC silencer also won't suffer from particle erosion as much as a Q silencer due to the differences in baffle geometry, and manufacturing process unless Q changed that recently. A TBAC Ultra 7, which is the midsize model, meters the same with supersonic 308 as a Q Thunder Chicken when properly metered on a BK Pulse system.

Unless someone with a capable meter gets a Gunwerks silencer and meters it properly in comparison to known baselines, no one is going to know whether or not it's quieter than anything else. It's hard to mess up stainless steel welds so I'm sure their welds are just fine. Titanium welds are significantly more sensitive and easy to do wrong.

Maybe you can be one of the first people with a Gunwerks silencer. Someone has to be the test case eventually. Plus, like the people at Thunderbeast, Dead Air, Rugged, Energetic, etc, they're good dudes.

If you're planning on buying later rather than sooner, the Dead Air Nomax is worth waiting for. Imagine a Nomad, but longer.




The current thin bead SIG rifle silencers when compared to Q rifle silencers are superior in both weld strength and muzzle devices as previously stated.

Bottom line is, if you're really looking for the company that makes the the best product like you previously said, then don't bother looking at Q if supersonic sound suppression, weld strength/quality, a few ounces of weight, or brake effectiveness matters to you when compared to something like Thunderbeast.




I actually have a Thunder Chicken as well. Actually, I have all of the Q silencers and even some duplicates of them. We bought all those along with ten of their Fix rifles and Honey Badger SBR a long while back. Not only do I know how they all perform on a proper meter and to the ear with a large assortment of hosts and ammo types and what the weak and strong points are of the various features and manufacturing/construction methods, I actually know the guy behind it all and know the kind of person he is in real life.

Would you rather he goes out and finds someone who's just going to omit information about performance, construction, welding, positives, negatives, design history, manufacturing methods, etc just so that person can seem unbiased?

It's not like I'm the one that has any reason to be lying to consumers. There's just no reason for me to do it. The truth is enough for people to figure things out for themselves, and that's all he's being provided, at least by me. The things I'm sharing here aren't "opinion". It's not my "opinion" that sharp angled, tightly packed, thin, ported baffles and hex features on silencers are from 1909/1910. It's not my "opinion" that tubeless silencers have been manfactured since at least 2005. It's not my "opinion" that a TBAC Ultra 9 meters quieter than a Q Full Nelson with supersonic 308 ammo. It's not my "opinion" that Q doesn't follow proper AWS welding standards for titanium. It's not my "opinion" that Kevin lies to consumers about a myriad of things. It's not my "opinion" that Kevin lies about other companies and their products. Etc, etc, etc.


Bias is irrelevant here. Facts are facts whether they're perceived as positive or not.


This isn't to go after you at all, and it's absolutely not to say you should be at all disappointed with your purchases. As long as you're happy with it then that's all that matters. Either way, compared to most silencers the Q/SIG models, particularly the full size ones, excel at subsonic Blackout suppression. This is just me explaining my position here, nothing more.
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Dude...i don't know who you are or what your backstory with Q/Kevin is, but it seems like you're obsessed. It's weird. Almost every single thread about a Q product promptly gets bogged down with your feature length comments. The funny thing is, you sound credible in your technical knowledge, but your weird obsession hurts your credibility. I can't help but think your criticism is at least partly personal. So...while i appreciate that you are trying to help people out, i just can't stand to see your long-ass responses to everything Q related any more.
 
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C_R_Slacker said:
Dude...i don't know who you are or what your backstory with Q/Kevin is, but it seems like you're obsessed. It's weird. Almost every single thread about a Q product promptly gets bogged down with your feature length comments. The funny thing is, you sound credible in your technical knowledge, but your weird obsession hurts your credibility. I can't help but think your criticism is at least partly personal. So...while i appreciate that you are trying to help people out, i just can't stand to see your long-ass responses to everything Q related any more.
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Lol, that's nice of you. Sure, bud, good luck.
 
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My main hunting can is a old school TB 30PSS, hangs off the end of a 12.5" 6.8. If I needed to replace it, Ultra 5 all day long.

It's not as quite as the 7" or 9" cans but it's enough to take the edge off for 2-3 shots with no ear pro. Perfect setup for shooting deer out of a tree stand.
 
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C_R_Slacker said:
Dude...i don't know who you are or what your backstory with Q/Kevin is, but it seems like you're obsessed. It's weird. Almost every single thread about a Q product promptly gets bogged down with your feature length comments. The funny thing is, you sound credible in your technical knowledge, but your weird obsession hurts your credibility. I can't help but think your criticism is at least partly personal. So...while i appreciate that you are trying to help people out, i just can't stand to see your long-ass responses to everything Q related any more.
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So @C_R_Slacker paco runs his own start up company called cgs. They make some suppressors that I never heard of. I googled his name and found multiple threads back to @Kevin Brittingham days at aac where he dislikes the guy. If I want to pick at any company I could but he takes it to a new level.

For what it’s worth I car more about weight, reliability, size, and locking mechanism more than noise on a hunting can
 
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Here is a Thunder Chicken mounted on a Tikka T3 30-06 cut down to 20".
With the Meopta Meostar R2 2-12X50 it balances out really nicely.

The Thunder Chicken works awesome on my 300 black out.
Next weekend is when I plan on getting this sighted in, then start the load testing.

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I’ve got a TBAC Ultra 9 that I use for hunting/shooting steel. I wouldn’t replace it with any other suppressor on the market except maybe an Ultra 7.
As far as sound suppression, accuracy , weight and customer service TBAC is tough to beat.
I run Area 419 adapters on all my barrels with zero problems.
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I am using a 30 caliber TBAC Ultra 5 on my deer/elk rifle and also on my mountain goat rifle. My antelope/coyote rifle has a 6.5 TBAC Ultra 9.

I like being about to walk around and not worry about my hearing and/or spooking the critter.
 
#33
OP

For a hunting can I would look

SiCo Omega with flat end cap
TBAC ultra 5 or 7
DA nomad
EA vox (or Vox K if you don’t care as much about suppression as weight and length)
YHM Resonator for .30 cal
YHM turbo K for 556 cal
Delta P Brevis II if you have money to burn

There are probably a few more brands I am forgetting but these would be my picks for hunting.

Realistically I hope YHM has a Resonator K coming out that works as well as their turbo K does but for .30 cal guns. If so then it will be a slam dunk.
 
#34
I started suppressing my hunting rifles with a Liberty Sovereign last year, suppressed hunting is too nice, there's no way I could go back.

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For me, relatively short length and light weight are desirable features in a hunting can. A lot of folks around here hunt with the TBAC Ultra 7 and are quite pleased, to me that's the best Goldilocks can in the TBAC line for most uses. The Vox S, Omega and Nomad would be other good options to check out for a all around/hunting cans. Once my Nomad gets out of jail, it will certainly be taking on some hunting duties.

One thing to keep in mind, depending on how/where you hunt is that it's not easy to set up many lighter weight rifles with a 5/8x24 thread, for instance the 6.5 CM Kimber in my Antelope picture could only handle a 1/2x28 thread at 20". It's nice to have a can that can either mount to brakes (available in different threads) or can take multiple direct thread mounts like the Sovereign or any of the cans sporting the Omega compatible mount threads.
 
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A muzzle break is more efficient than a supp for recoil reduction. They are unsociable things as they are loud and can throw crap everywhere, wouldn't ever use one near a dog.
However I prefer them for LR shooting. If at a comp or shooting with a heap of mates I would take it of or use a supp.
You will find both handy.
 
#38
I like my sig, it has a great deep tone compared to other cans I've been around. The 10" barreled blackout is definitely stupid quiet with subs.

I wouldn't shoot any of them without hearing protection for more than the 1-2 shots hunting though.


The only thing about Q is customer service. There's lots of guys that have been waiting years for Kevin to fulfill his promises. They're also hard to get ahold of unless you do Instagram.
 
#39
I agree that the Ultra 7 TBAC is the best Goldilocks can. The 9” sure seems to be getting into ”lance” territory. For a dedicated hunting rig that the van will not leave, perhaps the 5”?
 
#40
I use a 9" Ti suppressor for all of my hunting and general shooting. Have a TBAC 338 Ultra in jail and will be using it also. The length doesn't bother me at all and the weight is manageable. I'm not a hardcore backpacker , but I hunt some really rough country and my 9" can certainly doesn't hold me back .
 
#41
Right now I use a specwar, but. I'd like something new, for my next rifle.
Lighter mainly.
Prob stay in 8-9 " length range. Maybe 7, but def not shorter. I want something still quite so when I have the kids with me.
 
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chevy_man said:
The only thing about Q is customer service. There's lots of guys that have been waiting years for Kevin to fulfill his promises. They're also hard to get ahold of unless you do Instagram.
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I have 1st hand proof twice that shows their customer service has been good, at least in my limited experience.
Both times i have contacted them were via email and got a response back and a solution in a timely manor.

There definitely seems to be an unhealthy hatred for Kevin and Q around here.
Not trying to take sides but to give actual input from my experiences.
 
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Vulture23 said:
I get everyone thinks hes an asshole, I really don't care if hes an ass or mary poppings. What I care about is who makes the best product or not?
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Q cans are great. There is just a giant circle jerk on this forum that hates everything Q is or does. They are lightweight, sound great and have a rock solid mounting solution with the taper system. They are my favorite hunting cans.
 
#44
C_R_Slacker said:
Dude...i don't know who you are or what your backstory with Q/Kevin is, but it seems like you're obsessed. It's weird. Almost every single thread about a Q product promptly gets bogged down with your feature length comments. The funny thing is, you sound credible in your technical knowledge, but your weird obsession hurts your credibility. I can't help but think your criticism is at least partly personal. So...while i appreciate that you are trying to help people out, i just can't stand to see your long-ass responses to everything Q related any more.
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It's all the does everywhere, here, reddit, instagram. Dude just needs to hurry and drop on one knee and ask Kevin to marry him.
 
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From your posts you don't really seem to be considering cans other than Q, despite your original question. Emphasis on the location of the thread taper etc seems to be a big deal to you, regardless of whether it actually makes any real difference. If you believe their feature sets and performance outweigh the personality of the guy running the company, get a Q can. I'm a Thunder Beast guy because I can get a good suppressor AND good people from them.
 
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