Suppressors Hunting with a suppresser

[SouthPawShooter]

I have been doing a lot of reading and what I don't understand is this. To really get a quite shot you have to use a load that is sub-sonic so if that is true then how is my 308 going to work when deer hunting because my loads are far faster and if I turn them down then I an sure I would loose accuracy and knock down power to boot. So what know. Or am I way off.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

you're way off... the goal is NOT to hunt silently, it's to not damage your hearing...

you'll use super sonic, std, full power 308 loads, just like every other time you've hunted w/ that rifle...

now once you get some more experience with sub sonic shooting, you may choose to hunt with subs and a can and take those 50-100yd head shots

 

[Kino]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Mostly what FM said but also if you are hunting close to someones house or subdivision you don't piss off the whole neighborhood when you shoot something at daylight in the morning!

 

[LanceS4803]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mostly what FM said but also if you are hunting close to someones house or subdivision you don't piss off the whole neighborhood when you shoot something at daylight in the morning! </div></div>

I wish!
Was sighting in a new scope on a 10/22 with a TAC-65, not shooting subsonic.
Shooting in heavy woods, pointed away from any houses, closest being 300 yards away through the trees.
Homeowner still called to complain. This guy must have incredible ears.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

In addition to whats been said already, hunting suppressed gives you stealth AFTER the initial shot. Should you need additional shots, animals quite often will stand there for two, three or more shots, I believe its because they dont know what the sound is, much less where its coming from. This also causes the animal in some cases to flee in your direction, another bonus for your piss poor cross eyed shooting hunters out there.

 

[cleric]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

So if you shoot super sonic ammo with a suppressor the sound pitch will be different but someone can still hear it.

The big difference to me is recoil reduction and control

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cleric</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if you shoot super sonic ammo with a suppressor the sound pitch will be different but someone can still hear it.

The big difference to me is recoil reduction and control </div></div>
The suppressor will take away the "boom" of the rifle, the noise created by the bullet in the air will be the same as always, its just something you normally cant hear because of the report of the rifle. The suppressor will also reduce recoil and make it easier to handle.

 

[LanceS4803]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

If you stand off to the side and a little downrange (SAFELY!), you can really hear the difference.
A good suppressor, especially on a bolt action, reduces the noise dramatically. Sometimes just to a slight thump or puff.
The supersonic crack on the other hand is pretty dang loud. Pull targets in a pit and you get a real taste of it.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Also, though no one has acknowledged it yet, there are plenty of people who do hunt almost silently with subsonic ammo. Depending on your quarry and your range requirements, subsonic ammo can be plenty effective. A deer, coyote, hog, etc. will most certainly not appreciate a 220gr LRN at 1050fps to the vitals or the head.

 

[dirtyname]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

This is the type of shit that keeps some states from allowing the use of suppressors.

No one should be using or talking about using a suppressor to do anything silently. The purpose of suppressing a firearm is to make the sport of shooting more enjoyable. And it has been brought to legislation as a hearing protection device. There is no such thing as silent hunting and discussing the use of suppressors to gain an advantage over game is not appropriate.

 

[roggom]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

While on the subject of hunting suppressors, can someone recommend a US based company that makes over the barrel sporter contour units. I have a 7mm mag 24.75" approx .635 OD. I have tried searching and everything of the sort pops up with companies in NZ, Finland and Norway.

I can apply and purchase a Thunderbeast at my local gun shop to put on one of my Remmy's, but I am looking for something for my Tikka.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dirtyname</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the type of shit that keeps some states from allowing the use of suppressors.

No one should be using or talking about using a suppressor to do anything silently. The purpose of suppressing a firearm is to make the sport of shooting more enjoyable. And it has been brought to legislation as a hearing protection device. There is no such thing as silent hunting and discussing the use of suppressors to gain an advantage over game is not appropriate. </div></div>
^^^This, is the kind of shit that perpetuates the mistaken assumption that because someone <span style="font-style: italic"> can</span> poach an animal, that they will. This seems to be the reasoning that states and regulators fear suppressor proliferation. As if people with unsuppressed weapons dont/cant take game 'under the radar', or using archery tackle to quietly take animals. It is the same argument used by the anti gun groups; if they have [high cap mags, semi auto, military type weapons] then surely they are up to no good and therefore it should not be allowed. Those who spend the time and money to purchase class III items are very unlikely to risk such high stakes for some extra venison.
This is a foolish argument, and has no place amongst free men, law abiding public, and Sniper's Hide. If we were discussing lowlife criminal poachers, then it would be a valid subject. But they dont allow nefarious characters like that to purchase class III items.

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dirtyname</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the type of shit that keeps some states from allowing the use of suppressors.

No one should be using or talking about using a suppressor to do anything silently. The purpose of suppressing a firearm is to make the sport of shooting more enjoyable. And it has been brought to legislation as a hearing protection device. There is no such thing as silent hunting and discussing the use of suppressors to gain an advantage over game is not appropriate. </div></div>
What a terrible freaking post.

Should we just delete all of Sniper's Hide? Because, after all, people are talking about shooting things over 1,000 yards away, and that's the kind of thing that will make some states want to ban long-range precision rifles.

 

[Twisted .308]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, though no one has acknowledged it yet, there are plenty of people who do hunt almost silently with subsonic ammo. Depending on your quarry and your range requirements, subsonic ammo can be plenty effective. A deer, coyote, hog, etc. will most certainly not appreciate a 220gr LRN at 1050fps to the vitals or the head. </div></div>

I have taken quite a few Axis Deer w/Subs out to about 150-200 yds even though sub-sonic you are correct about the Carnage done!

 

[glocker17]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

I use a suppressor for silent hunting, sorry but thats what I do. I want to kill as many pigs as possible, as fast as i can.

 

[Victory]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

I've seen a bad guy stand there after a suppressed .308 missed him. He looked around for a second trying to figure out what just made that snapping sound. He figured it out with round two.

Suppressors work.

 

[skinney_7]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dirtyname</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the type of shit that keeps some states from allowing the use of suppressors.

No one should be using or talking about using a suppressor to do anything silently. The purpose of suppressing a firearm is to make the sport of shooting more enjoyable. And it has been brought to legislation as a hearing protection device. There is no such thing as silent hunting and discussing the use of suppressors to gain an advantage over game is not appropriate. </div></div>


^^^This, is the kind of shit that perpetuates the mistaken assumption that because someone <span style="font-style: italic"> can</span> poach an animal, that they will. This seems to be the reasoning that states and regulators fear suppressor proliferation. As if people with unsuppressed weapons dont/cant take game 'under the radar', or using archery tackle to quietly take animals. It is the same argument used by the anti gun groups; if they have [high cap mags, semi auto, military type weapons] then surely they are up to no good and therefore it should not be allowed. Those who spend the time and money to purchase class III items are very unlikely to risk such high stakes for some extra venison.
This is a foolish argument, and has no place amongst free men, law abiding public, and Sniper's Hide. If we were discussing lowlife criminal poachers, then it would be a valid subject. But they dont allow nefarious characters like that to purchase class III items. </div></div>

well said coldbore,
and I will have to add, I use suppressors as an advantage over game every time I hunt coyotes, sound doesn't carry as far and I can get more sets in, in shorter distances...

 

[blksno]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

I think I'm going to turn in all my camo, cover scent and optics. I'd hate to let anyone know that I needed an advantage over the animals.

I guess being at a ridiculous disadvantage in eye sight, hearing, smell, speed, and stamina wasn't good enough reasons to want an advantage of my own.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Sir, you need to either defend and explain your point, or amend it. Or get rid of your guns as they pose an unfair advantage over game. And in addition to that, read or remove your sig line by Mr. Smith of Thunder Beast suppressors. America is awsome, suppressors are part of what makes it so.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, though no one has acknowledged it yet, there are plenty of people who do hunt almost silently with subsonic ammo. Depending on your quarry and your range requirements, subsonic ammo can be plenty effective. A deer, coyote, hog, etc. will most certainly not appreciate a 220gr LRN at 1050fps to the vitals or the head.</div></div>

I acknowledged it... in the FIRST response...

reading REALLY is fundamental

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

You sort of acknowledged it, saying it requires a lot of experience and 50yd head shots, neither of which is particularly accurate.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

again... reading is fundamental... that's not what I said

 

[Conqueror]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">again... reading is fundamental... that's not what I said </div></div>

Well, let's see what you said:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now <span style="font-weight: bold">once you get some more experience</span> with sub sonic shooting, <span style="font-weight: bold">you may choose</span> to hunt with subs and a can</div></div>
That pretty clearly states that subsonic hunting happens "once you get some more experience", which really isn't required.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and take those <span style="font-weight: bold">50-100yd head shots</span> </div></div>
No mention of shots to the vitals, only head shots, which is not accurate.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

ahhh, but SOME experience w/ subs IS required... which the OP's post implies he has none of...

and I do believe head shot are the BEST bet w/ subs, because I'm not trying to track any animal after it's been shot, it's cruel and unnecessary, not to mention risky that you'll lose them

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ahhh, but SOME experience w/ subs IS required... which the OP's post implies he has none of...

and I do believe head shot are the BEST bet w/ subs, because I'm not trying to track any animal after it's been shot, it's cruel and unnecessary, not to mention risky that you'll lose them </div></div>

So i guess hunting with a bow is cruel and unnecessary to you also.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

yes, actually, it is

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

FWIW, I have some experience with SS, and I would take a body shot ONLY if the headshot was unavailable. Not to say it cant be done, just that I prefer it. Seen too many deer lost to inadequate vital damage. And I would also suggest more than basic/begginer knowledge for SS hunting.

 

[Chanonry]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Is hunting with SS really practical? I have shot 308 ss for a while and the trajectory is wild. My hunting experience with it is limited but it seems to me that ranging is critical.

Having shot a fox at the grand range of 4 yards I was less than impressed with the results so I tend to the view that a head shot is the only viable shot to avoid a long pursuit hence my comments above on ranging.

How do you guys use SS to ensure kills?

 

[skinney_7]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How do you guys use SS to ensure kills? </div></div>
If your round is capable of delivering enough energy to kill, YES its practical... how do I do it? with a 147grain XTP going 900fps on a hard charger, center mass hit, complete and utter devastation.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

I've referred many people to my SS meat test thread to see the difference between some bullets and others, its quite interesting .

 

[AK10mm]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dirtyname</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the type of shit that keeps some states from allowing the use of suppressors.

No one should be using or talking about using a suppressor to do anything silently. The purpose of suppressing a firearm is to make the sport of shooting more enjoyable. And it has been brought to legislation as a hearing protection device. There is no such thing as silent hunting and discussing the use of suppressors to gain an advantage over game is not appropriate. </div></div>
^^^This, is the kind of shit that perpetuates the mistaken assumption that because someone <span style="font-style: italic"> can</span> poach an animal, that they will. This seems to be the reasoning that states and regulators fear suppressor proliferation. As if people with unsuppressed weapons dont/cant take game 'under the radar', or using archery tackle to quietly take animals. It is the same argument used by the anti gun groups; if they have [high cap mags, semi auto, military type weapons] then surely they are up to no good and therefore it should not be allowed. Those who spend the time and money to purchase class III items are very unlikely to risk such high stakes for some extra venison.
This is a foolish argument, and has no place amongst free men, law abiding public, and Sniper's Hide. If we were discussing lowlife criminal poachers, then it would be a valid subject. But they dont allow nefarious characters like that to purchase class III items. </div></div>

Great post ColdBore,

I DO use a suppressor to hunt silently,rather not spook everything in a large area while taking game.Not to mention a rifle shot is a dinner invitation to some rather large,hungry bears.

The suppressor described on my Form 4 is actually called a "Silencer" by the BATFE,and,with subs it does or close to, exactly that.Never did feel the need to explain,or excuse myself to the ignorant,the reason why I "Need" a suppressor.I spent the $$$$ and the time to acquire it,and use it for lawful activities.............

 

[teabag_46]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

The use of silencers (usually referred to as moderators) is commkn practice over here in the UK. In some parts of the UK, the police actually REQUIRE shooters to use mods.
The police like to say their use is to reduce disturbance to non shooters, hunters justify them by saying their use is to increase their chances of a second or even third shot, if it becomes necessary.
Either way, as I said, it is common, and sometimes mandatory over here.

 

[YTALER]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes, actually, it is
</div></div>

FM, Do you really think that a bow is cruel ? Sorry if I misunderstood you're statement if not.

 

[mountainman308]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

For your 308, try a 210 gn round nose bullet, with +- 10 grains of Trail Boss powder and use a good large rifle primer. Do your load development first, but it should work out well for hunting with a suppressor.

 

[Chanonry]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How do you guys use SS to ensure kills? </div></div>
If your round is capable of delivering enough energy to kill, YES its practical... how do I do it? with a 147grain XTP going 900fps on a hard charger, center mass hit, complete and utter devastation. </div></div>

I was using the Lapua loaded fmj. 200gr head. Pokes holes - no devastation at all. Hence my question !

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How do you guys use SS to ensure kills? </div></div>
If your round is capable of delivering enough energy to kill, YES its practical... how do I do it? with a 147grain XTP going 900fps on a hard charger, center mass hit, complete and utter devastation. </div></div>

I was using the Lapua loaded fmj. 200gr head. Pokes holes - no devastation at all. Hence my question ! </div></div>

Oh my. Seriously a full metal jacket. Come on man! You cant be that stupid, can you?

 

[Killer Spade 13]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

When I was a kid, 10-13, I killed numerous deer with shots to the head with a .22 long rifle.

ALWAYS made sure I had the shot, however.

And, yes, it was against the law.

But when ya need meat on the table, the game laws don't seem too logical.

 

[Chanonry]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chanonry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How do you guys use SS to ensure kills? </div></div>
If your round is capable of delivering enough energy to kill, YES its practical... how do I do it? with a 147grain XTP going 900fps on a hard charger, center mass hit, complete and utter devastation. </div></div>

I was using the Lapua loaded fmj. 200gr head. Pokes holes - no devastation at all. Hence my question ! </div></div>


Oh my. Seriously a full metal jacket. Come on man! You cant be that stupid, can you?</div></div>


Well you used to be able to ask something on this site and guys who knew their stuff shared it. I learned a lot and the online training was great. Seems this site has served its purpose though and is being taken over by a new bunch of Grade A wankers.

You seem to be typical of the more recent class of asshole that has signed up to blow their own dick.

Fuck you shitforbrains.

 

[skinney_7]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

chanonry,
I hope you aren't channeling that post towards myself, I simply stated a fact, it's quite simply how we do it, and I was just sharing it with you.

 

[sherlok]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

I shoot a 300 Whisper with suppressor which is the bees knees in quiet shooting. But it requires practice to be effective because of its rainbow trajectory. I have been working for a year and a half in load development and establishing range charts. I am just now confident enough to take this thing out on a real hunt.

Those that think they can walk out there with a box of store bought bullets or just download their .308 and go huntin' with a suppressor have a lot to learn.

Sherlok

 

[fdavidparker]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

My personal opinion is a suppressor is not for hunting. At some point hunting loses its meaning. We not have incredibly accurate rifles and sophisticated optics that will make 500 yd shots (or longer) possible. There are range finders that measure within yards at 500 yds, adjust for angle etc. Add that to four wheelers, high tech camo, spotting scopes, scent covering clothing, etc. Suppressing the shot so that multiple shots are available just doesn't seem sporting or fair to me. Seems like killing versus hunting.

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Chanonry

Don't spout hate this way, YOU ARE the "wanker shithead" using FMJ projectiles subsonic. LOL

You need to use some common sense "even though its not so common any more" when you chose a bullet.
Here is a tip for you since that is what you seem to need.
Use a bullet that will expand at low velocities.

 

[skinney_7]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RuntheRabbit</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Suppressing the shot so that multiple shots are available just doesn't seem sporting or fair to me. Seems like killing versus hunting. </div></div>
why does a quiver hold more than one arrow? or a mag more than one round? a suppressor does not make multiple shots more available to the shooter... but that's your opinion... let me state for you some facts, a suppressor is a tool for hearing protection, recoil reduction, accuracy improvement, just to name a few, and these are all applicable to hunting to make it a more enjoyable experience, I've got kids and they would much rather take part and listen to a suppressed weapon than wear plugs or muffs or listen to the weapon unsuppressed, I Ranch, when we ween 550hd of calves, I'll be damned if you catch me hunting around the place unsuppressed within a mile radius, you see there is more to look at in the realm of things..., than a suppressor being ONLY another huge advantage in acquiring more follow ups.

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RuntheRabbit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My personal opinion is a suppressor is not for hunting. At some point hunting loses its meaning. We not have incredibly accurate rifles and sophisticated optics that will make 500 yd shots (or longer) possible. There are range finders that measure within yards at 500 yds, adjust for angle etc. Add that to four wheelers, high tech camo, spotting scopes, scent covering clothing, etc. Suppressing the shot so that multiple shots are available just doesn't seem sporting or fair to me. Seems like killing versus hunting. </div></div>

So what your saying is its "ok" to use the tools you want to use to give you an advantage but if someone wants to use a different tool than what you use its "wrong" in your opinion.

Just trying to understand your logic.

 

[blksno]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RuntheRabbit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My personal opinion is a suppressor is not for hunting. At some point hunting loses its meaning. We not have incredibly accurate rifles and sophisticated optics that will make 500 yd shots (or longer) possible. There are range finders that measure within yards at 500 yds, adjust for angle etc. Add that to four wheelers, high tech camo, spotting scopes, scent covering clothing, etc. Suppressing the shot so that multiple shots are available just doesn't seem sporting or fair to me. Seems like killing versus hunting. </div></div>

So, it would be OK if we don't use any camo, hunt on foot, use no scent cover, no range finder, and use an inaccurate rifle with no optics and just for safety sake...put a suppressor on the end? THEN would it be ok?

That makes NO sense.

NO hunter should be persecuted for making a choice to use a technological advancement to increase his lethality in the field. If you don't find it sporting enough, you're not hunting very hard.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppressing the shot so that multiple shots are available just doesn't seem sporting or fair to me.</div></div>
What about hunters with multiple tags? or MULTIPLE HUNTERS with multiple tags each? Or hunting colony animals with no bag limit?

If my hunting partner and I just spend $10k on a once in a life time big game hunt in some remote wilderness...and his first shot unsuppressed scares away every animal in 5 miles...I'd be pissed. How bout then?

As I said before...as soon as I can see, hear and smell as good as whatever I'm hunting, MAYBE I'll let my advanced brain take the weekend off.
Till then, I'm using every advantage I can afford and carry.

 

[Red_SC]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Just killed 2 more deer suppressed a couple weeks ago. Hunting is the BEST use of a suppressor IMO. Regardless of auditory exclusion, unmuffled gunfire is harmful to your hearing, period.

 

[coldboremiracle]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Skinny and cbass make some excellent points. Just this morning I shot a cow elk at 435yds, perfect neck shot. She dropped like a rock, the two bulls and the cows she was with just wandered off. Hunting suppressed is the best, listening to
The bullet fly across the canyon, and slap your target. My favorite thing to do.

 

[blackrifleops]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

Great follow up shot!!!

 

[dirtyname]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

It's funny how butt hurt ya'll get. This is a forum like any other online forum. Ever heard of stirring the pot? - I am laughing out loud.

 

[dirtyname]

Re: Hunting with a suppresser

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Skinny and cbass make some excellent points. Just this morning I shot a cow elk at 435yds, perfect neck shot. She dropped like a rock, the two bulls and the cows she was with just wandered off. Hunting suppressed is the best, listening to
The bullet fly across the canyon, and slap your target. My favorite thing to do. </div></div>

I am looking forward to the same Saturday morning! Except hes about a 30" 5 point buck. He has no idea he only has 4 nights left.