I can't be the only one.

[eli polite]

Obviously I'm not just a member on this group. I'm a member of sever AR groups on face book AR15.com I counted something like 40 gun groups on face book alone. I only frequent a few of these groups. When the bump fire first hit the market a friend of mine ran out and bought one as fast as he could. He kept saying Obama won't let this last. He brought it over one day and we used it. My conclusion was. It's a novelty and a piece of shit. I asked him yesterday if he even uses it. He said he used it one more time after we shot and it has been burried in his safe ever since. I also remember the raging debates over it on many of the groups I follow. It seamed pretty devided on the bump fire. I remember during one of those discussions I think it was on face book. some one saying of course Obama let it Through. Because it will end badly and it will be the platform for taking away all Assult Style weapons.

I never really stopped thinking about that. Here we have a useless novelty that when realeased quite a few people just saw it as a novelty. Even now after this happened quite a few people in the gun community had no idea such a thing even existed. I here every where thanking away the bump fire is just eroding our gun rights and we have less now than ever. But isn't that incorrect. Between 1994 and 2004 we had way less after 2004 things got good again.

I feel like the bump fire stock was a bullshit plant let through by the Democratic Party. Than they just sat back and waited for the inevitable to happen. Obama was prying it happened under him. And the he Democratic Party came close to having Hillary in office. If this had happened under Obama or Hillary the damage to our second amendment rights would have been irreversible.

I guess my point is is I think this whole bumpfire thing was set into motion with nothing but bad intention in the political spectrum. You can't tell me the Obama administration was not aware of the ATF's dilemma on the bumpfire. you can't tell me they were not opting for the worst.

Are we doing more damage to our 2A rights by letting stupid shit like the bump fire hit the shelves?

Are we letting the Democratic Party sababtoge us with such simple devices?

Now I have no doubt what so ever that this has cost us the hearing protection act. I know It didn't really stand much of a chance to begin with. Now it won't happen.

There are a lot of people in this country that are pro 2A but every time something like this happens more fall away. Is it not up to the 2A community to start to find ways to not let nonsense like the bump fire damage our cause.

I see no PRACTICAL use for the bump fire what so ever. And it has cost us real head way on real 2A issues it should have never been allowed on the shelf.

 

[Dougie308]

The bump-fire stock is indeed a novelty piece of shit.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Would the outcrying by the left be any different right now if it was found that the shithead used a legal or illegal DIAS equipped weapon(s)..??? Honestly not sure, but I think there'd be massive attack on 2A no matter what. Aint defending bumpfire/slidefire shit at all, its just that - shit. But regardless, we gotta get ready to block some punches..

 

[...]

Are we doing more damage to our 2A rights by letting stupid shit like the bump fire hit the shelves?

are you saying we should voluntarily restrict our 2A rights so the antis dont have to do it for us?......do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

how about we stop buying into the MSM narrative that "bump stocks" are the problem.....and lets place blame where it actually belongs, on the shooter......god you let the media paint the story and yall just drink it up without question.

I see no PRACTICAL use for the bump fire what so ever. And it has cost us real head way on real 2A issues it should have never been allowed on the shelf.

who gives a fuck what you think?.......no seriously.......who actually gives a fuck?.......

i forgot were were only allowed to own items that you deem appropriate.

do you support a ban on FA firearms because there is no "practical use" for them?......



hell by your logic, we should only have break action shotguns and bolt action rifles because there is no "NEED" for anything else.......and we dont want to "Sabotage" our 2A rights with those unnecessary semi auto rifles

 

[boomer81]

Total piece of shit I had a slide fire on a ak I sold for $1500 during the last rush there are a couple triggers on the market that are way better. But let’s keep that our secret. I wouldn’t want the atf or Tom Brady to know I finger his wife that fast

 

[Veer_G]

The Fudds are gonna sell us down the river, yessiree.

 

[WaltHer]

"I see no PRACTICAL use for the bump fire what so ever. And it has cost us real head way on real 2A issues it should have never been allowed on the shelf."

If we accept this line of thought on junk-fires, shouldn't we also consider it on suppressors , semi-s, MSR's, full capacity mags.?

What if I see no PRACTICAL use for cars that go over 80 MPH? Regulate those too?

In a "free" country this line of thinking has no place. I can't disagree with those thinking that nothing but trouble will come from items that allegedly violate the " spirit " of a law, but when how can anyone really fault the free market for developing a legal workaround that meets the letter of the law?

In the end unless people who feel this way are also going to take the same stances on the "gun show loophole " and all of the rifles made from 94-04 that lacked muzzle devices and bayo lugs then they're hypocrits pure and simple. Practicality has nothing to do with legality-for now, thank God.

 

[...]

i love how all the "I support the 2A, but..." types voluntarily reveal themselves...makes it a hell of a lot easier to know whos opinion i should actually care about.

god i dont know why gun owners are so quick to throw other gun owners under the bus if they think itll save them.....just remember:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me,and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[WaltHer]

First they came for the machine guns and I did not speak out
Because I didn't have any machineguns.

Then they came for the import semi autos and full capacity mags, and I did not speak out
Because I didn't have any HK91'S or high capacity mags.

Then they came for my bird gun and hunting rifle and I gave them those too because I didn't want my neighbors to think I was a right wing radical terrorist.

Then they came for my freedom and very other thing I held dear and i gave it to them because I'D spent so much time on my knees treating "rights " like " privileges " I didn't know the difference anymore.

 

[qqqq33]

I think you are only partially correct. Our turncoat Republicans are doing this on purpose. This is a direct attack on Trump and Trump supporters. What is going to happen is our turncoat Republicans and all of the Democrats are going to send this Slide Fire bullshit law up to president Trump. Trump is going to say fuck you I'm not signing this and make a big statement on TV about it. Then another guy is going to shoot up another place the exact same way and they're going to keep blaming it on Trump. This is how they get guns our Second Amendment and Trump all out of the way in one Fell Swoop!! I have absolutely no evidence to support any of this. But if I wanted to read the cards and set up president Trump this is a great way to do it. If he signs the bills his followers won't vote for him come next election. If he doesn't sign the bills they're going to have many more mass shootings with the same weapons. This is a lose-lose lose for Trump unfortunately. And it's all because the NRA stood with our turncoat Republicans.

 

[demolitionman]

I think you are only partially correct. Our turncoat Republicans are doing this on purpose. This is a direct attack on Trump and Trump supporters. What is going to happen is our turncoat Republicans and all of the Democrats are going to send this Slide Fire bullshit law up to president Trump. Trump is going to say fuck you I'm not signing this and make a big statement on TV about it. Then another guy is going to shoot up another place the exact same way and they're going to keep blaming it on Trump. This is how they get guns our Second Amendment and Trump all out of the way in one Fell Swoop!! I have absolutely no evidence to support any of this. But if I wanted to read the cards and set up president Trump this is a great way to do it. If he signs the bills his followers won't vote for him come next election. If he doesn't sign the bills they're going to have many more mass shootings with the same weapons. This is a lose-lose lose for Trump unfortunately. And it's all because the NRA stood with our turncoat Republicans.

I swear, it's like I just wrote that post. My sentiments exactly. I feel kind of awkward telling people this^. My very first thought was this is a political stunt sponsored in some way by anti-gunners or Anti-trumpers to ram-rod agenda through emotional manipulation. Ugh, I find it depressing. We will never know the truth. It's being swept under the agenda rug. The news stories should be all about the mental state and life situations of the murderer.

 

[Strykervet]

The bump-fire stock is indeed a novelty piece of shit.

Totally agree. But this is America and it can't be just banned. If it is, then next time it'll be mags. Or 3 gun triggers. Or this part or that part, eventually leading to an omnibus bill that includes all of it. That's how the 94 ban happened BTW. It's a slippery slope argument that leads directly into a trap. Once they get us to agree on this one thing, it'll never stop, it'll only get worse. If I didn't understand their agenda, I'd be more open to discussion. But they have ZERO interest in safety or discussion, only in disarmament of the US population.

What I AM willing to discuss and reach compromise on is regulating the bumpfire stock via NFA as an AOW --because that is exactly what it is. By definition it's not a MG but it is an AOW every bit as much as the MP5 briefcase.

This would shut everyone up and not deal 2A a blow any worse than it's already been dealt. That's the best we can hope for since politicians have zero interest in securing soft targets (the smart way, not the TSA way).

Unfortunately, antis go after and victimize soft targets just like mass killers, serial killers and rapists, only we are the soft targets --the ones that jump through the hoops, believe in safety and responsibility and in general, abide by the multitude of laws, not to mention have zero interest in causing someone else grief much less shoot or terrorize people. Unfortunately, after every one of these shootings, the talk goes directly past all the events and straight to fucking "gun control". They go on the offensive, we go on the defensive, and nobody discusses the victims or how to prevent crimes like this without eroding Rights and the fabric of the country. Then you and I become victims of legislation that directly affects us but does zero to curb a murderer's intentions --it's like WE get punished for something someone else did who has zero in common with us other than he owned some rifles.

Nasty Pelosi said better than I could, when asked if banning the bump stocks is a slippery slope argument and would lead to more bans and further erosion of Rights, she replied, "So what."

 

[...]

What I AM willing to discuss and reach compromise on is regulating the bumpfire stock via NFA as an AOW --because that is exactly what it is. By definition it's not a MG but it is an AOW every bit as much as the MP5 briefcase.

wtf are you going on about?.....the bump fire stock is in no way an AOW........

the fuck is wrong with you people......stop "compromising" our rights away.......

 

[ArmyJerry]

the ATF and the NFA are Unconstitutional as fk, both need to be dismantled and soon. Its the #1 progressive threat to our whole Constitution. You guy s wanting to compromise I hope you rot in communist hell you dumb fks.

 

[SuckitTrebek]

The bump-fire stock is indeed a novelty piece of shit.

Correctamundo

 

[Veer_G]

the ATF and the NFA are Unconstitutional as fk, both need to be dismantled and soon. Its the #1 progressive threat to our whole Constitution. You guy s wanting to compromise I hope you rot in communist hell you dumb fks.

Hey, Jerry, I found these. Are they yours?
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[1J04]

Geezus Fucking Krist. I never thought I'd see this kind of shit here. Ever. Give in, wtf? Ain't given nothing. There is no compromise. There is no quarter given. NONE. And so this is what it comes to? Gun loving responsible individuals on a shooting forum arguing about giving something up regarding "Our Right"? "OUR RIGHT"?!!

The people working against us must be in seventh heaven about right now. Nice fucking job.

eli, I don't know what the hell you got into during your sabbatical but just fucking stop would you. You've been swinging for the fences since you came back in here and you're not even close to making contact. You must really cherish a good ole fashion dog pile.

Next time you have a thought, don't.

 

[Maser]

I'm a true 2A supporter and I support folks owning whatever they wanna own. Just because I don't care to own a particular type of gun or gun accessory doesn't mean I don't support others owning them.

 

[1J04]

Hey, Jerry, I found these. Are they yours?
[IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/KhPYE5P.jpg"}[/IMG2][IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/oEciKkX.jpg?1"}[/IMG2]

lol

 

[eli polite]

are you saying we should voluntarily restrict our 2A rights so the antis dont have to do it for us?......do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

how about we stop buying into the MSM narrative that "bump stocks" are the problem.....and lets place blame where it actually belongs, on the shooter......god you let the media paint the story and yall just drink it up without question.





who gives a fuck what you think?.......no seriously.......who actually gives a fuck?.......

i forgot were were only allowed to own items that you deem appropriate.

do you support a ban on FA firearms because there is no "practical use" for them?......



hell by your logic, we should only have break action shotguns and bolt action rifles because there is no "NEED" for anything else.......and we dont want to "Sabotage" our 2A rights with those unnecessary semi auto rifles

Well Ilet me see here. We were starting to make headway on the hearing protection act. Now that's gone. I know there was a lot of speculation on if would go any where but now I think we all know it's dead in the water. If the hearing protection act had passed that would have opened the door to more reform in the area of NFA weapons like possably getting full autos to be manufactured again so the prices are not $20k for an AR auto sear.

But now because of a NOVELTY we have been set back dramatically on REAL forward momentum.

So again I say did we really just let a NOVELTY set back our forward momentum? I think we did. I also think if GUN OWNERS don't get there heads out of there asses we will loss everything. Think it can't happen? We are playing a game of chess. If Hillary were in office right now or obama. This would be 100x worse. And at some point there will be another democratic presiden. Possible a democratic controlled senate. Than what? Civil war? I would prefer to win tha game of chess than butn our county to the ground over a NOVELTY like the bump fire.

I would like to see people who are responsible to be able to own what ever they want in all 50 states. we will never get there with stupid shit like the bump fire making it on to the store shelves.

A bump fire fire is the fidget spinner of the gun world. It's for couch cushion Rambos. it's time to stop being stupid. A novelty just destroyed the Hearing protection act. You can keep your bullshit Toy. I want the real thing I want my suppressors. NOT TOYS!

 

[ArmyJerry]

Rights belong to the responsible and the irresponsible, you only have to be a citizen to have rights, once you make exceptions you give up all your rights

 

[eli polite]

the ATF and the NFA are Unconstitutional as fk, both need to be dismantled and soon. Its the #1 progressive threat to our whole Constitution. You guy s wanting to compromise I hope you rot in communist hell you dumb fks.

Your miss underatanding. There is no compromise. The BUMPFIRE is the compromise. It's the substitute for the real thing. It's what killed the hearing protection act. It's what slowed real progress. A fucking toy a novelty a compromise to the real thing just fucked us out of the real thing. I'm tire of compromises like the bumpfire getting in the way of the real thing. So keep your bumpfire your compromise and go back to being happy with a toy.

 

[TheGerman]

Yes they're fucking retarded.

The answer is still however, No.

 

[EddieNFL]

Some just don't get it.

"They’re going to say, 'You give them bump stock, it's going to be a slippery slope.' I certainly hope so," she told a reporter at a news conference.

 

[1J04]

Some just don't get it.

"They’re going to say, 'You give them bump stock, it's going to be a slippery slope.' I certainly hope so," she told a reporter at a news conference.

Please Eddie, don't distort the "Truth" with "Fact". So un-palatable.

Some I'd say are either Unwilling, or Unable, to wrap their head around the consequence.

 

[...]

Your miss underatanding. There is no compromise. The BUMPFIRE is the compromise. It's the substitute for the real thing. It's what killed the hearing protection act. It's what slowed real progress. A fucking toy a novelty a compromise to the real thing just fucked us out of the real thing. I'm tire of compromises like the bumpfire getting in the way of the real thing. So keep your bumpfire your compromise and go back to being happy with a toy.

So you are saying HPA wouldnt have been compromised if he didnt have a bump fire stock? Everything would just be honkey dorrey if he only used regular stocked semi autos?


im sorry but you are genuinely a fucking moron

seriously, go back to the fudd lodge with your hunting rifle and leave defending the 2A up to those who dont have their heads up their asses.

god you are blaming a gun instead of the shooter.......you sound just like another brain dead liberal

 

[1J04]

If he's serious in his reasoning and not just trying vainly to spin himself out of the hole he's dug, then he's way over thought this to the point of outsmarting himself and becoming a useful idiot to the left.

No do over. Said it. Owns it. "Exposed". Period.

 

[supercorndogs]

I swear, it's like I just wrote that post. My sentiments exactly. I feel kind of awkward telling people this^. My very first thought was this is a political stunt sponsored in some way by anti-gunners or Anti-trumpers to ram-rod agenda through emotional manipulation. Ugh, I find it depressing. We will never know the truth. It's being swept under the agenda rug. The news stories should be all about the mental state and life situations of the murderer.

They don't have to make it happen, they just need to wait for it to happen, then pray on the weak; that believe them when they say "This is our end game." Their end game is banning all guns, and all different ways of thinking. Anyone who gives them an inch in that direction has no foresight or common sense. Anyone who thought banning slide fires would shut them up is delusional.

 

[supercorndogs]

Obviously I'm not just a member on this group. I'm a member of sever AR groups on face book AR15.com I counted something like 40 gun groups on face book alone. I only frequent a few of these groups. When the bump fire first hit the market a friend of mine ran out and bought one as fast as he could. He kept saying Obama won't let this last. He brought it over one day and we used it. My conclusion was. It's a novelty and a piece of shit. I asked him yesterday if he even uses it. He said he used it one more time after we shot and it has been burried in his safe ever since. I also remember the raging debates over it on many of the groups I follow. It seamed pretty devided on the bump fire. I remember during one of those discussions I think it was on face book. some one saying of course Obama let it Through. Because it will end badly and it will be the platform for taking away all Assult Style weapons.

I never really stopped thinking about that. Here we have a useless novelty that when realeased quite a few people just saw it as a novelty. Even now after this happened quite a few people in the gun community had no idea such a thing even existed. I here every where thanking away the bump fire is just eroding our gun rights and we have less now than ever. But isn't that incorrect. Between 1994 and 2004 we had way less after 2004 things got good again.

I feel like the bump fire stock was a bullshit plant let through by the Democratic Party. Than they just sat back and waited for the inevitable to happen. Obama was prying it happened under him. And the he Democratic Party came close to having Hillary in office. If this had happened under Obama or Hillary the damage to our second amendment rights would have been irreversible.

I guess my point is is I think this whole bumpfire thing was set into motion with nothing but bad intention in the political spectrum. You can't tell me the Obama administration was not aware of the ATF's dilemma on the bumpfire. you can't tell me they were not opting for the worst.

Are we doing more damage to our 2A rights by letting stupid shit like the bump fire hit the shelves?

Are we letting the Democratic Party sababtoge us with such simple devices?

Now I have no doubt what so ever that this has cost us the hearing protection act. I know It didn't really stand much of a chance to begin with. Now it won't happen.

There are a lot of people in this country that are pro 2A but every time something like this happens more fall away. Is it not up to the 2A community to start to find ways to not let nonsense like the bump fire damage our cause.

I see no PRACTICAL use for the bump fire what so ever. And it has cost us real head way on real 2A issues it should have never been allowed on the shelf.

I think you are overestimating the competence of the Obama Administration. Can you please explain what 2A rights the bump fire stock has cost us? Seems like blaming an object for taking rights, is just like blaming an object for killing people. The only way this costs us rights, is if not enough of us have the fortitude to write our reps and tell them, "no new restrictions." I don't know if you noticed, but the news and the democrats are not in the drivers seat. They are loudest back seat drivers in the world, but we always crash when we listen to them.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

The second Amendment is not about duck hunting, or bump fire stocks, or magazine limits, or any of the "common sense gun control" measures that are pandered so persuasively.

It is about the Right of Revolution that our Nation had just exercised so successfully, as a means to ensure that no government which followed would be empowered to restrict the exercise of "keep and bear". "Congress shall make no laws" makes it undeniably clear that such regulation is not and never has been the domain of government.

But no other right has been so deliberately eroded by the very representatives we entrust with our laws and our government.

This politically biased assault on the Second Amendment is a clear and blatant demonstration that politicians are not trustworthy, never were, never will be. They mean not to represent, but to dominate, and to do so with no recourse remaining. For as long as this assault continues, for as long as politicians deliberately act in defiance of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, democracy will continue be a hollow shell, with but a cynical meaning.

Greg

 

[JG26_Irish]

The second Amendment is not about duck hunting, or bump fire stocks, or magazine limits, or any of the "common sense gun control" measures that are pandered so persuasively.

It is about the Right of Revolution that our Nation had just exercised so successfully, as a means to ensure that no government which followed would be empowered to restrict the exercise of "keep and bear". "Congress shall make no laws" makes it undeniably clear that such regulation is not and never has been the domain of government.

But no other right has been so deliberately eroded by the very representatives we entrust with our laws and our government.

Greg

Amen - The 2A is in the Constitution so that we the people have the power to take it back from the government we entrusted it with in the event that they attempt to suppress or enslave us or to engage in tyranny. Our founding fathers created a genius inspired governmental experiment by founding a government of the people, by the people and for the people. In nearly all previous governments a nobility class ruled over the subject or subservient class of people. In those only the royalty or nobility were granted the right to keep and bear arms. In so doing they had the power of force to subjugate all others. Our USA founding fathers chose to grant force of arms to all citizens alike so that none of us would ever be forced to be slaves. Yet so many sheep in this country would give up that right because they are too squeamish to learn how to safely keep and bear arms or are to weak minded to use them if forced to. Our founders also designed a system which enables the peaceful transition of power so that violent revolution is not the only means of changing our government. The Trump election was a peaceful transition from what has been the Washington Ruling Class Elites to a group of plain spoken, direct and uncouth (some might say) group of street wise businessmen. It galls the liberal elites (and the Rino elites) to no end and frankly some of them would call for violent revolution now. There will likely be a series of events put on for your TV viewing in attempts to "Wag the Dog". Or stampede the sheep. Rather than fall down that rabbit hole we all need to be more active in our local politics and our national elections. As a Kentuckian, I am ashamed of Mitch McConnell and his total lack of leadership ability. We tried to kick him out with Matt Bevin last year but failed and we got a great Gov. Bevin in the process. We will not allow Mitch to sit another term. The same needs to be said of every Democrat and Rino in congress. Vote them out, send them home. We gleefully turn off NFL football because a few overpaid boyz disrespect our flag but ignore the congressmen when they PI$$ on our constitution and their oath to protect it. Toss them out. Graham, Pelosi, Schumer, Franken, McConnell. They are all alike and they are NOT in our best interest. Bring back the "T" Party. Trump-Em.

In my opinion the 2nd Amendment means that if I want to, I should be able to purchase, keep and bear any weapon. Mini-gun, yes, LAWS rocket, sure no problem. Hand grenades, OK. F16 tactical fighter. Why not? I am a law abiding citizen and the government has nothing to fear from me as long as they are acting in our collective interest. In my opinion, I think every 18yr old should be issued a M16 and 1000rds of ammo when they register to vote and be taught how to use it. We should be able to buy frags at the local hardware store. The FN M240 should be as easy to acquire as a hammer or shovel. It is just a tool.

As for the bump-stock? It is a useless novelty toy that makes a semi-auto rifle shoot faster. Shooting fast is not shooting accurate. Try shooting at a 50y IPSC tgt with a full auto M16. You will hit one shot for each burst. The first shot will hit and all others will be all over the place. All guns, all weapons are simple, inanimate objects. They simply act out the will of the men or women who wield them. If you have evil in your heart, it matters little if you have a gun or not, for you will find a way to cause mayhem. If you are a good person, you are not threat even if you are armed with an F16 or an Abrams Tank. Only about 1-3% of the population of any given group is of the criminal psychopath type. The rest are good, honest, normal people. We should never let 1% of the population dictate the laws and narrative of anything in this country. We need to get better and finding and dealing with the 1% more effectively. Harshly if necessary but in a way that repeat offenses are never a problem. My 2 cents for the day.

Irish

 

[Strykervet]

wtf are you going on about?.....the bump fire stock is in no way an AOW........

the fuck is wrong with you people......stop "compromising" our rights away.......

Should have been an AOW from the beginning. Nearly 600 casualties with over 10% kill rate and you all wanna go to the mat over a fucking toy, nay, a "piece of shit" according to several of you.

It's hard to tell if some of you are genuine, or if you are part and parcel to a false flag attack on the rest of us.

Easiest way to get a ban is just selectively republish some of the shit said on here.

 

[...]

Should have been an AOW from the beginning. Nearly 600 casualties with over 10% kill rate and you all wanna go to the mat over a fucking toy, nay, a "piece of shit" according to several of you.

It's hard to tell if some of you are genuine, or if you are part and parcel to a false flag attack on the rest of us.

Easiest way to get a ban is just selectively republish some of the shit said on here.

ITS. NOT. ABOUT. THE . FUCKING. STOCK........jesus why are you all blaming a peice of plastic for what a madman does with it?

and tell me....how is a slide fire stock an AOW, legally?

 

[Maser]

A stock should have AOW status? Wow! This is one binky boy that's not ashamed to admit he came close to pissing himself laughing right now at that statement!

 

[supercorndogs]

Should have been an AOW from the beginning. Nearly 600 casualties with over 10% kill rate and you all wanna go to the mat over a fucking toy, nay, a "piece of shit" according to several of you.

It's hard to tell if some of you are genuine, or if you are part and parcel to a false flag attack on the rest of us.

Easiest way to get a ban is just selectively republish some of the shit said on here.

You need to understand, we have never left the mat. Gun control is a war of attrition. It never ends, it just waits for the next opportunity, to possibly set an important precedent, by fooling some unobservant head noders into thinking. "If we give them this they will shut up."

What were the repercussions of them not getting to further their agenda after ______________?
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