I have always said that credit cards are how they will "back door" you.

[2ndamendfan]

I know everyone here is as disguised as anyone when a mass shooting happens. I myself definitely have a certain spending history, guns or automobiles are pretty much 95% of my expenses. Would "out of character" spending bother you?
If @ArmyJerry spend $5000 a month on ammo then month to month would not be an issue unless he hit $30,000 one month.
I am torn, and also pay cash for alot of my purchases for this reason.

http://fortune.com/2018/12/24/credit-cards-mass-shootings/

 

[diverdon]

CC gives me 2% cash back. It would be hard for me too leave free money on the table.

 

[Jaymiller5]

Always follow the money..

 

[ArmyJerry]

AJ does not spend that much on ammo, but I do on Motorcycle shit.

 

[thejeep]

I think I bought a savage .22 with a cc on vacation. I also opted for a high cap 10rd mag. A 4-12 sniper scope. And a blue million rds, wolf match x 2 bricks.
Come to think there was a mass shooting at the range when a flock of tweeties flew into a bush on the 100yd range. 7 birds fell that day.
Oh the outcry was enormous. The remaining birds went around shitting on everything. (The birds color has been withheld).

 

[2ndamendfan]

AJ does not spend that much on ammo, but I do on Motorcycle shit.

Was just an example. My spending is significant but steady. Ready the article and it will show that spending went ape shit in one month.
My question is, would you support credit companies notifying authorities of strange spending changes?

 

[SilentStalkr]

Yes, all of this data is collected. They know what you have, they know everything about you down to where you take a piss everyday and probably even down to what time. The info is there, whether or not they care to look is a different story. Just because you buy 30,000 rds of ammo doesn’t mean anything tho. I know 3 gun guys that shoot 3000-5000 rds a week and they are more like semi pro/hobbyist, they ain’t Jerry mucilek!

 

[SilentStalkr]

Was just an example. My spending is significant but steady. Ready the article and it will show that spending went ape shit in one month.
My question is, would you support credit companies notifying authorities of strange spending changes?

They already do, sometimes, to some extent. Go buy 12 Glocks on a credit card at 8 different locations. Go buy 12,000 rds of ammo from different locations. See what happens. Trust me the info is there. Whether they look is a different story. What that info tells you doesn’t mean anything either. For example, I tend to save, then buy as much as I can then do it again so there may be spikes throughout the year, but that doesn’t mean anything tho. Hell, there may even be a year where I don’t buy crap. Takes a long time for some of us to earn that hobby income and very little time to spend it. But this is also how they could track who has weapons and where. If you buy, 1500 rds of 5.45 then anyone that knows anything knows you probably got a AK74, maybe more than one. Then it’s a simple matter of connecting dots. It’s not hard to connect the dots if you had say, the governments pull.

 

[Sieg]

AJ does not spend that much on ammo, but I do on Motorcycle shit.

In that case you would classified as a member of the Darwin Society and never appear on the oppositions radar. Flying low has it's benefits.

 

[Veer_G]

Was just an example. My spending is significant but steady. Ready the article and it will show that spending went ape shit in one month.
My question is, would you support credit companies notifying authorities of strange spending changes?

It isn't like if, say, that if I were going to start buying multiple Nerf bats that my card provider would say a damned thing, no matter how unusual it would be. Similarly, they could give a shit about ping pong balls or pool noodles. None of those items in the hands of people ready to defend liberty make them feel threatened. If you want to bankrupt yourself and make your kids go hungry buying pillows online, have at it, but don't be sane enough to understand the importance of being the armed counterbalance against possible tyranny.

 

[_Windrider_]

So your saying they know about the barrel of m855 I just bought from brownells? Molon all the labes. I wouldn’t be worried about the guy who buys a lots of gun stuff, I’d be worried about the guy that suddenly stopped. Because that’s the guy who has decided he has what he needs.

 

[Redmanss]

This is more of the leftist media, this time from "Fortune" magazine in its attempt to be more lefty than Bloomberg, doing the typical shaming ploy to chip away at credit card companies to stop permitting firearm related purchases. This is the propaganda world we live in now, where media is a complete farce.

Now if anyone starts getting calls and visits from law enforcement because of purchase history, call a lawyer immediately because that comes into illegal search and/or violation of privacy requirements.

 

[The DFC]

Columbo like detective work ascertaining that everyone purchases nearly everything-including firearms and related items-with credit cards nowadays.

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

One thing to remember about big data... Your info will never be seen by a human unless you personally piss off an immature person in government/silicon valley so just be cool to all the assholes and you'll be fine

 

[ArmyJerry]

e a bootlicker and get along, thats the ticket

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Well lets hope "they" do not investigate my airline ticket locations for the past decade lolol......
On that note----If I am suddenly missing from the hide for a couple days...send search party. Start at usual locations

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

e a bootlicker and get along, thats the ticket

Yes, getting along with other people, despite them sucking, is basically how we go about surviving the modern world. You go pick a fight with your local county prosecutor because he is a dickhead liberal and let me know how that goes...

 

[ArmyJerry]

bootlicker. Is there any point you stop licking boots and stick up for yourself?

 

[MosesTheTank]

One thing to remember about big data... Your info will never be seen by a human unless you personally piss off an immature person in government/silicon valley so just be cool to all the assholes and you'll be fine

More and more often I am seeing people looking for odd data points and looking at the individuals on the other side of those points. And by individuals I mean their various email addresses, alternate name spellings, all kinds of demographic and psychographic crap, job history, spending habits...

The majority of the snoopers are motivated by $ (how to part you with your money) and the minority are government snoopers. Then there’s a growing minority who have nothing but ill intent. As more data becomes available and the tools to mine it become more widely available, less expensive, and require less skill to use this last group will grow. It will go badly for a lot of people.

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

Uhhhhhh how strong is your egg nog aj? I fail to see how keeping to myself equates to bootlicking ...

 

[ArmyJerry]

WEll I like eggnog without anything in it believe it or not. If you aint using a card then you are keeping to yourself, if you avoid said immature assholes or vindictive fuckers in government or silicon valley that is one thing, but being cool to them when you hate them only encourages their assholery

 

[SilentStalkr]

This is more of the leftist media, this time from "Fortune" magazine in its attempt to be more lefty than Bloomberg, doing the typical shaming ploy to chip away at credit card companies to stop permitting firearm related purchases. This is the propaganda world we live in now, where media is a complete farce.

Now if anyone starts getting calls and visits from law enforcement because of purchase history, call a lawyer immediately because that comes into illegal search and/or violation of privacy requirements.

Yeah, the problem is, in a free society you shouldn’t have to do this. Kind of ridiculous actually!

More and more often I am seeing people looking for odd data points and looking at the individuals on the other side of those points. And by individuals I mean their various email addresses, alternate name spellings, all kinds of demographic and psychographic crap, job history, spending habits...

The majority of the snoopers are motivated by $ (how to part you with your money) and the minority are government snoopers. Then there’s a growing minority who have nothing but ill intent. As more data becomes available and the tools to mine it become more widely available, less expensive, and require less skill to use this last group will grow. It will go badly for a lot of people.

Care to explain that last sentence a bit?

 

[Shadow knows]

Oh crap, my Black Friday this year was off the scale. With mfg hurting for business I gave them some. I am probably a marked man now. Damnit.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Don't overlook Mail Carriers and UPS Drivers as sources of information/confirmation of "deliveries"....

 

[ArmyJerry]

if you live in fear you are a slave already, dont live in fear and go about your life. Deal with anyone that fucks with you when they actually fuck with you and dont worry. Doing otherwise means they won and you lost.

 

[Trapshooter12]

How many of you buy hunting license, deer tags, duck stamps.
Any of those most likely means you own a gun.

All that information is being collected.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Two Words: RAND PAUL

The beast must be slain.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Wait wait, the credit companies are going to report it to the same schmucks that stopped the Boston marathon bombing, the gay nightclub in Florida shooting, the Christmas party shooting, the Florida high school shooting.... ...........

 

[Rthur]

Wait wait, the credit companies are going to report it to the same schmucks that stopped the Boston marathon bombing, the gay nightclub in Florida shooting, the Christmas party shooting, the Florida high school shooting.... ...........

I understand your thoughts but are you sure they wanted to stop those?...

R

 

[GrandpaDeadLegs]

We should stick to worrying whether or not the old lady finds out how much we spend on this shit... She is real, has the time and resources to investigate, and most definitely has the punishment part figured out

 

[308Gunner]

Haha my wife is always telling me that we are going to get a visit in the middle of the night by the men in black and the helicopters will be circling

 

[deersniper]

I understand your thoughts but are you sure they wanted to stop those?...

R

Surely they wouldn't let a terrorist attack happen to gain more power, control and a obedient population. They would never let a crisis go to waste

 

[deersniper]

The article is full of horse crap and is just wrong.

When the little dick head "rocket man" started blowing up bombs and lobbing missiles into space, I started prepping. For all of my adult life, my gun purchases averaged out to about 1 per decade. When Kim started his crap, I bought 8 guns in one year and enough ammo to be a sailboat's ballast.

Now maybe there's something that would temper the red flags I produced, and that would be the thousands of pounds of food along with water filters, medical supplies, ham radios, etc. But a lot of that was purchased with cash locally.

And one other thing, I bought one very special and very large rifle with cash to save myself the 3% credit card fees.

If the government starts monitoring CC purchases or the CC companies start reporting weapons purchases to the government, people will just migrate away from them to cash and they'll start losing money. I think it also violates one of our important constitutional protections..

Just because someone changes their spending habits, doesn't mean they're about to go kill a bunch of people. People can change spending habits for a variety of reasons like an inheritance, winning lotto, death of family, media warnings, new hobbies, retirement, etc.

I think Fortune dot com is full of crap on this.

8 guns. Lol. Sorry. But lol

 

[ArmyJerry]

dont discourage him, he might be going through the awakening, realizing hes been lied to his whole life. Keep buying and practicing there Babbles.

 

[Roo_man]

cc are a scam

 

[Threadcutter308]

dont discourage him, he might be going through the awakening, realizing hes been lied to his whole life. Keep buying and practicing there Babbles.

Hmmm, a scenario I had not considered. Haven't seen it before, but I guess there can always be a first time. However, how does one "un-drink" the Kool Aid ?

 

[ArmyJerry]

Like i said in another thread, it takes patience and determination, but before I went to the Army and seen how fucked up the world and governments are I was a peace loving hippie too. Now I know better, I had an awakening.....

Him being on this forum is a subconscious first step to confronting his worst fears that his government does not like him and only looks upon him as a tax slave.

 

[Steel+Killer]

You guys need to loosen your tinfoil hats a little. While I do think the government has the ability to do most of what y'all say I don't believe its that easy. First your CC company may know you spend $500 every other day at PSA or Midway USA, but they don't know on exactly what. They don't know if you bought $500 dollars worth of M855 or $500 dollars worth of doe piss all they know is you bought $500 dollars worth of shit and they need to send PSA or Midway USA that amount on your behalf.......my point is they are not analyzing every receipt and looking at the exact items someone bought. Now if big brother suspects you in a crime can they go to Citi Card and say hey we want to know where Little Timmy has bought from for the last six month. Citi Card gives big brother your last six months worth of statements then oh yea Look Little Timmy spent $500 at PSA on this day now Big Brother has to go to PSA hey we need to see what Little Timmy bought with transaction number 1234567. I believe that is how it really works.....JMO

 

[deersniper]

Maybe.
If you spend $500+ at PSA, target sports, tombstone, sgammo, etc there's a high chance your buying ammo and maybe guns. Hell they say every piece of mail is photographed now. Not a stretch for ormd packages to be categorized and list formed for who is buying weight

 

[ArmyJerry]

well every time you get the instant background check they know you are buying a firearm. Stop worrying, buy more ammo and get ready for when the final over reach comes.

 

[Steel+Killer]

well every time you get the instant background check they know you are buying a firearm. Stop worrying, buy more ammo and get ready for when the final over reach comes.

Don't worry they destroy all 4473s........LOL

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

What if you are spending at several online gun/ammo/reloading stores and then started rentals of large moving vans one way to DC?
That's probably when your CC company turns you over to the feds. They will determine if your Facebook/Twitter/online shit can be embellished after you shoot up/blow up something.

 

[Va_Gentleman]

They don't have to go in and ask for what you bought on the credit card... they already know after Fauxcahontas got the CFPB Bill passed. If I am not mistaken, there is a caveat in that creation that collects what items were bought on the credit cards; "so they can investigate predatory lending"....

Now.... Big Data.. everything the NSA, OGA's and Every Tinfoil Agency (ETA's), that drives their collection was frontiered by Big Retail. Big Retail collection practices was to individualize and personalize the consumer interests to be more effective in marketing to the consumer for their $$$.

What if I was to tell you that a Large Retail Corporation has the history of every purchase by a consumer since 1985? Now, that had to be confirmed via Check, CC, Phone Number (if Cash) and many other ways. And this Retail company was a very small part of the industry in 1985. THEY KNOW EVERYTHING. Govt just took their models and multiplied the connection points to collect data. The algorithm's are there to keep and look if they need quickly... but they have to be detailed out and a reason.

The real concern in A.I.... then, the A.I. will immediately be able to investigate and categorize everyone into nice little subgroups by what they have bought, said on the interwebs.. (including here) and a nice little summary page that would allow anyone to group all by their variables to give a list... Oh wait.. .Corporations and Institutions like RAND and DARPA already have those algorithms...

Trust me... think about it... Why has not one politician lately in the last decade ask for Registration as part as comprehensive gun reform like they did in the 80's and 90's? Only your local and state officials are asking that... (See above about pissing over lower-IQ public employees).

The only balance is that there is not a means to act, because the data shows that there has to be mass movement and action to correct and collect.

Regarding running an algorithm to root out the future Minority Report Mass Shooter is already here... but the people that are in those positions to act and call the data to act are idiots... beauracrats.... but it does serve a purpose in conditioning the citizenry into accepting more intrusion in more collection.

Collection will be interesting given the 2019 Come to Jesus Sessions that Congress is going to have with Alphabet, FarceBook and others. They are really going to get involved regarding privacy, collection and selling of data.... (but of course, not to Uncle Sam... that little end-run will be preserved)

My humble opinion based on a few experiences...

 

[Spblademaker]

AI can add me again to the “sniper scope and ammo” subcategories in a few minutes.

 

[W54/XM-388]

well every time you get the instant background check they know you are buying a firearm. Stop worrying, buy more ammo and get ready for when the final over reach comes.

Having a Carry license in Texas and many other states means you stay out of the instant background check system.
Of course it pretty much means you have guns, but that's a given. They just don't get a data point added in each time you buy something.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Living in fear and being prepared are two very different concepts. I have an insurance policy on my home in case it burns down, but I'm not afraid its going to burn down and I doubt it will ever burn down.

I have fire extinguishers in the home and garage, not because I'm afraid there will be a fire, but so I can be prepared if there ever is a fire. Heck, I even have band-aids in my closet, but not because I'm afraid I'm going to cut myself, but so I'm prepared if I ever do.

Fear, prepping, insurance, concerns, even locking your doors, etc.. are all words that describe the process of statistical probability analysis. Ya, a fancy term for such a simple thing as having insurance and owning a fire extinguisher and smoke alarm, but that is the fundamentals of what people do when they take precautions.

It does not mean living in fear. Fear would describe a phobia (from the Greek word "phobos") which means irrational fear.

My preps are nothing but an insurance policy that will probably never be needed, but unlike an insurance policy where you pay a premium and your money is gone if nothing happens, I can eat the food, use the medications, and shoot the ammo for fun anytime I want to.

Holy fuck!!!! You really babble on!!!

 

[ArmyJerry]

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[deersniper]

That's somehow funny?

 

[ArmyJerry]

bring them out to the range with you, its important from a safety aspect as well as education for them.

 

[gigamortis]

This out of control snoopfest needs an E.M.P strike. That would be the easiest and most thorough reset to set the surveillance state back 20 years. So what, I lose a smartphone in the process. All the alphabet bureaucracies would be essentially blind and have to redefine their purpose.