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I have some catching up to do. large firearm seizure in CA.
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They said it was “beyond comprehension that somebody could have that many guns in a home like that” WTF is that supposed to mean? Rich, cultured people are not supposed to like guns or something? Fucking California
That is exactly what they mean. The neighborhood is supposed to be completely unarmed, obedient, unquestioning of the authorities, and ready to do what they are told to do, like good pets.
Says a tip was provided that guns and parts were sold to gangs.
Does Eric Holder have a house in Bel Aire?
Does Eric Holder have a house in Bel Aire?
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When it is all over and it turns out he has done nothing wrong, does the owner get any damages given the fact they have stacked the guns up like cord wood?
The article claimed he was modifying guns and selling them to gang members... if that is the case, then it's not a collection, it's an illegal operation. And if it was a guy converting/selling/trafficking guns to gang members, who would not be glad to see the criminal enterprise shut down?
BUT is that the excuse that someone in L.E./prosecutors office/Government used to red flag the guy? Or justify a warrant? Is it a "hey, let's grab the collection, charge something nebulous and come up with a story later" deal? Did the 'tipster' make up the story that the 'collector' was modifying/selling the firearms, when it was really just a personal collection of some scale? And the 'tipster' had a beef with him or just doesn't like the 2A? If any of the above, then it's an utter travesty.
Wealthy person in Beverly Hills or some swanky suburb with a large collection? Hell yes, possible and legal. If he was targeted for a raid and confiscation on that basis... then the Kalifornia police state has gone another step into 4th-Amendment/2nd Amendment minefield. And if they are 'making up' the story to justify a raid... then the owner needs to fight this to the SCOTUS.
If the police out there really did nab a major supplier of guns to criminals... nail his hide to the wall.
Be interesting to follow this and find out what really happens now that charges have been leveled. What are the formal charges? Where are the records of selling to gang members? Undercover videos? Forensic evidence? Guns traced to this guy from crime scene? Financial transactions? Where is the evidence you take to court that shows this guy was an illegal dealer? I understand that may come out later... not this morning. But without that... and with no proof from the 'tipster...' what is the real case except "this made good 6-oClock News?
Time will tell.
Sirhr
BUT is that the excuse that someone in L.E./prosecutors office/Government used to red flag the guy? Or justify a warrant? Is it a "hey, let's grab the collection, charge something nebulous and come up with a story later" deal? Did the 'tipster' make up the story that the 'collector' was modifying/selling the firearms, when it was really just a personal collection of some scale? And the 'tipster' had a beef with him or just doesn't like the 2A? If any of the above, then it's an utter travesty.
Wealthy person in Beverly Hills or some swanky suburb with a large collection? Hell yes, possible and legal. If he was targeted for a raid and confiscation on that basis... then the Kalifornia police state has gone another step into 4th-Amendment/2nd Amendment minefield. And if they are 'making up' the story to justify a raid... then the owner needs to fight this to the SCOTUS.
If the police out there really did nab a major supplier of guns to criminals... nail his hide to the wall.
Be interesting to follow this and find out what really happens now that charges have been leveled. What are the formal charges? Where are the records of selling to gang members? Undercover videos? Forensic evidence? Guns traced to this guy from crime scene? Financial transactions? Where is the evidence you take to court that shows this guy was an illegal dealer? I understand that may come out later... not this morning. But without that... and with no proof from the 'tipster...' what is the real case except "this made good 6-oClock News?
Time will tell.
Sirhr
Not sure that applies in CA anymore.
Love how they just throw shit in piles in the driveway.
I’m at the point where the news needs to keep out of matters until they are settled in a court of law. Because as of right now the mob mentality has take hold and the individual is already assumed guilty by the masses. If going to jury trial then the jurors views may already be swayed because of the pre-release of tailored info by the media. If proven guilty, yes throw the book at him. However if proven innocent then call out abuse of power, which we all know will never happen because it’s not “news worthy.”
"Red Flag" Legislation in action...... The person who ratted him out was probably a disgruntle customer with a beef...... Get ready it's going to get a lot worse.
Whats up with all the crappy cars parked in the drive way? It looks like my driveway. Was it Jed Clampet that got pinched?
I read a huge article last night about this. The home belongs to the mistress of Getty who hasn't been seen in years. There are 3 homes in that area that the Getty's owned and are all abandoned and run down?
I think it's a trumped up charge for the state to seize the homes?
According to the tax records all taxes are paid in full every year.
I can't find the article but I know someone on here will fine it and share it.
I think it's a trumped up charge for the state to seize the homes?
According to the tax records all taxes are paid in full every year.
I can't find the article but I know someone on here will fine it and share it.
Here's a question that ive not seen mentioned or discussed. Using this case as an example (and for my question, lets assume he's not doing anything illegal with them other than owning banned weapons) if he owns 1000 guns, and half are on the banned list, other than simple confiscation, why take ALL guns? Why not just the "banned" guns?
Also notice no mention of ammo. Gotta have ammo or they're just fancy clubs.
Buy more ammo.
Also notice no mention of ammo. Gotta have ammo or they're just fancy clubs.
Buy more ammo.
yea I am really far behind can only wish i had 1000 firearms and the ammo to shoot all of it . big smile one day
They won’t, not without a lot of headache. And even if they do, I bet they won’t be in the same condition they took them in. This is the new plan of action, abd it’s wrong.
Agreed. The problem we have these days is that the gov, along with the help of the media, have built this mentality of guilty before innocence these days. And, the burden of proof is supposed to be on the accuser, not the accused. In some cases, proving ones innocence to their liking may be rather difficult, if not impossible. I mean all one has to do is look at Trumps case, whether us is guilty or not doesn’t matter because many BELIEVE he is guilty. These people are dangerous and if we don’t get a handle on it, it’s going to get real bad. You’d be surprised how many people out in the public I’ve heard spout of crap about knowing Trump is guilty of something despite them not finding anything. One cannot simply put another away because of their feelings. This nonsense has to stop.
Wheres all the "assault weapons"???? All I see is alot of handguns and old looking rifles/shotguns.
100 percent agree. And the double standard of justice makes even those, like me, who are inclined to trust law and order professionals now say to ourselves... is this real or manufactured.
I used to be proud of the FBI golf shirt I got while attending a course at Quantico. Now I am ashamed to be seen in it and won’t wear it. I am keeping it and waiting for the day when wearing it will again reflect pride in a once-great institution. But right now I think that wearing it out will have folks saying to themselves... bad things.
For now, my distrust is, well, unfortunate. But they (and that is a big-tent “they”) earned it. They can earn our trust back. But not by continuing with the justice double standard... one for rich communist elites. And one for the Narod.
Sirhr
Where is it written/dictated that firearms are to be treated with the greatest disdain and the roughest possible actions? By Law Enforcement Officers? More specifically, Firearms Officers? For things to be carried like cordwood and then dumped onto a pile is atrocious. They take much better care when inventorying jewelry boxes, china, figurine collections and the like. But firearms??? I've seen with my own eyes, 3 rifles being carried by one officer in one hand by the barrels (muzzle end) and then literally tossed into an open car trunk. The scope on one of them was smashed, right there.
Where does this dictum come from, and how is it DEMANDED that change take place?
Where does this dictum come from, and how is it DEMANDED that change take place?
I also agree about the cars. Seems odd to be at a $17 million house and have shitty cars lining the driveway!!!!
The majority of the people don't understand this! The government owns your cars! It's not a right!
ARMS on the other hand is a constitutional right!
We are doomed until FREE MEN take a stand!
TIME'S A-WASTING fellas!
Just a guess on my part.
If the banned weapons are in your possession, does that then make you a felon? If you are a felon, are you legally allowed to retain any weapons you already own?
Also concerning your observation about ammunition - with a very few exceptions and locations ammunition is not illegal. In other words, it does not matter, if you are in possession of ammunition, if you are in possession of weapons. The weapon is the illegal item. Of course out here in the real world, we know that weapons - banned or otherwise - are pretty much worthless without ammunition. However, those elected (or appointed) over us aren't that concerned with the real world.
I hadn't actually considered the felony aspect. But you shouldn't be a "felon" until convicted. I can see where they would make the argument that they take them all until a conviction. Still bullshit but its the games the libs play.
Another thought on ammo is it always seems the media jumps on a person possessing "weapons and ammunition" which is why I was wondering since I didnt see ammo mentioned.
Here they have the evil guns separated out.
From that article:
“It’s scary because you think it’s a safe place, especially this area,” said Christian Aleman, a carpenter who parks across the street from the home and walks to a nearby job site.
if crime is low, it was/is a safe place. Guns inside a home doesn't change that. Retards.
“It’s scary because you think it’s a safe place, especially this area,” said Christian Aleman, a carpenter who parks across the street from the home and walks to a nearby job site.
if crime is low, it was/is a safe place. Guns inside a home doesn't change that. Retards.
Dude is out on bail.
Has FFL is sounds like from what I read this AM.
“He had tools of manufacture”.
I have two bare feet, a hacksaw, and vise grips. Does that count? ?
I’m guessing this is a swatting thing. Just my initial reaction.
If dude was breaking the law, then its s decent bust.
As for the agents doing a complete crap job handling the firearms with zero respect for a citizens property, I would want video and would raise hell once the rest was cleared up. Those guys are power hungry assholes so happy to strut around and show how bullet proof and badass they are.
Has FFL is sounds like from what I read this AM.
“He had tools of manufacture”.
I have two bare feet, a hacksaw, and vise grips. Does that count? ?
I’m guessing this is a swatting thing. Just my initial reaction.
If dude was breaking the law, then its s decent bust.
As for the agents doing a complete crap job handling the firearms with zero respect for a citizens property, I would want video and would raise hell once the rest was cleared up. Those guys are power hungry assholes so happy to strut around and show how bullet proof and badass they are.
Here is a link. Sounds like someone had a grudge.
www.cnn.com
More than 1,000 guns seized from a home in upscale Los Angeles neighborhood | CNN
More than 1,000 guns were found in a home in the upscale Los Angeles neighborhood Holmby Hills, but authorities said there was no indication they were used in crimes.
Here is a link. Sounds like someone had a grudge.
More than 1,000 guns seized from a home in upscale Los Angeles neighborhood | CNN
More than 1,000 guns were found in a home in the upscale Los Angeles neighborhood Holmby Hills, but authorities said there was no indication they were used in crimes.
Absolutely! The STATE wants the land!
Crooked bastards!
"Sometimes, he said, dealers can overlook the correct paperwork and run afoul of the law, noting that sensational search warrants with piles of guns often end up without charges. "
So, who pays for the damages, scratches, and breakage?
So, who pays for the damages, scratches, and breakage?
Someone please explain to me how the gov can take away arms ? The second law of this nation forbids this by stating you cannot hinder a person's right to bear arms.
There's a pile of gun owners that support crap like this. They don't like freedom. They don't like "those people" having guns. Some are right here on SH
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Well let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet. I don't believe this this was based on an anonymous tip. This smells like somebody made a deal. I was correct on the no knock warrant in Houston. I'm bona fide.
I was correct on the Houston no knocks two posts before you were. And I agree.
And @ArmyJerry has 3 more grey pubes than you do @Culpeper.
According to farmer McShaggin’s ewes anyways......
According to farmer McShaggin’s ewes anyways......
I find people who live in multi million dollar homes often engage in high risk low reward activities like drilling third holes and making a few hundred bucks off gang bangers from it. Seems legit.
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