I love this guy

["Kyltro"]

Hello
It has been one of the long range shooting videos that I have enjoyed the most in months.

The reason is because this genius with only a Bergara B14 Hunter .308 Win and a SWFA Fixed 12X42mm scope managed to hit a milk jug at a mile.

This is funny for my, because I have been analyzing hundreds of reviews of rifles in .308 and optics to do something similar but at a shorter distance (to decide what to buy)..., so until before this video I had convinced myself that it would be necessary a rifle of more than a thousand dollars and a scope of twice that price to hit to 1000 yards.

What do you think?

 

[jmw]

The stars aligned perfectly

 

[acudaowner]

I am still waiting to see those shooting 1k with 22lrs hit a mile with one of them lol

 

[SRPowah]

Oh my... If you are only going to walk from the car to the bench, hit a target with volume of fire and a little luck, and then pack it up and head home, yeah you can get away without spending over a grand easily.

Those that spend the money spend it for a reason.

 

[Shooter71]

I am still waiting to see those shooting 1k with 22lrs hit a mile with one of them lol

It says right on the box they’re good to 1.5 miles.

 

["Kyltro"]

Todavía estoy esperando ver a los que disparan 1k con 22lrs golpear una milla con uno de ellos lol

Oh my... If you are only going to walk from the car to the bench, hit a target with volume of fire and a little luck, and then pack it up and head home, yeah you can get away without spending over a grand easily.

Those that spend the money spend it for a reason.

The point, my friend, is to know how to appreciate the skill of the shooter over how much you have for spend.

 

[ACW39]

Those that spend the money spend it for a reason.

Yup! This is the point being missed by so many. Primarily newer shooters.

 

[Chickentoast]

Lobbing mortar fire and correcting until a hit does not take any skill, nor does it ask anything of the equipment. Nothing wrong with a cheap, modern rifle, if chambered and twisted correctly, but a mile for 308 is way past the supersonic zone, and will not be repeatable enough to be usable for anything but the same - keep lobbing them in until one hits, and rejoice as if you had something to do with it. Moronic.

 

[hereinaz]

My first long range rifle was a Savage 12fv in 6.5 Creedmoor and a 12 Power swfa Scope. In a no-wind condition I shot an MOA group in a long-range precision rifle course at 1000 yards my first time that far. I bought everything used or on sale and spent less than $800 for everything. There are other videos showing thousand yard shot with Ruger predators. They have their limitations, but they are capable. I don't own any Savages and have no scopes that sell for less than $1,200. I am a fully converted to snob, but I don't forget my roots.

 

[jakelly]

Lobbing mortar fire and correcting until a hit does not take any skill, nor does it ask anything of the equipment. Nothing wrong with a cheap, modern rifle, if chambered and twisted correctly, but a mile for 308 is way past the supersonic zone, and will not be repeatable enough to be usable for anything but the same - keep lobbing them in until one hits, and rejoice as if you had something to do with it. Moronic.

The guy hit the gong on his second shot (was just off the edge on the first one), and went 3 for 7 overall. Seems like he knew his weapon.

I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t jump up on that hill and let him fling one at me.

 

[Yoteski]

I'd say it's a good shooting rifle/load, but beyond that, meh. I mean congrats to him, but I highly doubt he's shooting unknown data.
It's not like he ran up to a troop line and cleaned targets out to a mile. I would hope, as much information that is put out on this site, that most people here could do the same with some rifle/data prep and a little luck.

 

[sleeplz]

OP, shoot a budget gun than a custom with top glass. It's just what your willing to pay but skills are required to run all of them. If I were you I'd buy an ATX and tangent theta glass. Put that stimmy to good use.

 

[VargmatII]

While shooting a mile with a .308 is far from ideal.

You dont need expensive stuff to get there, you DO need reliable stuff. And to a certain degree reliability comes at a price.
It has often been stated that the average European spends double of what the rifle cost on a good scope, while Americans do the opposite. Naturally this is a blanket statement that does not apply to most members of the hide.

But if we look at it, any decent rifle with good ammunition (pretty dang good ammo ) will shoot, and often shoot more than good enough. But a scope that does not track or does not have enough adjustment range will be the biggest limit, except for the shooter him/her self.

 

[BuckeyePrecision]

You can certainly get by with a budget rifle and budget glass to start. For some, that is all they will ever need. The first time I made hits at 1200 yards I was shooting at used Savage 10FCP HS Precision in 308. I later stuck a Criterion 6.5 CM barrel on it and managed hits a mile (although there were more hits than misses, I just wanted to say I did it), all while using a Gen I Athlon Argo's. It can be done on a budget. In all honestly, I have had two custom rifles since that Savage and neither have them have shot tighter groups than it did with the Criterion barrel on it. As others have said though, the reliability is what pushed me into customs. After breaking 1 extractor, 2 ejectors, and a trigger in the Savage, the last ending my day at a match, I got rid of it and upgraded. I did the same with the optic, sure, I made hits at long range with it, but at 1k and beyond, it was almost impossible to call my misses because I was looking through a cloud, I had to have a buddy watch through the spotting scope.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Have to start somewhere.
Do the best you can, with what you got.

 

[orkan]

What do you think?

I think that with enough rounds fired, the law of greater numbers suggests a hit will happen at some point. Since the OP is talking about how the shooters skill is what matters, lets evaluate that. Here's what I see.

1. The muzzle of that rifle gets tossed into the air after every single shot. That rifle is driving him, it's not the other way around.
2. He's bladed... shoulders not perpendicular to the bore.
3. He's breaking contact between shots, completely.
4. He's not adhering to 90° trigger pull. He's also slapping the trigger, or at the very least, not executing proper follow through... evidenced by the way his trigger finger comes off the shoe every time, and comes off differently each time to boot.
5. I'd like to see the other side of him to confirm, but to me it looks like he's absolutely muscling that rifle based on what his hand is doing before/after the shot.
6. Both eyes open for the shot, but then massive flinch/blinking as soon as the shot is fired. No data about where that rifle is tracking with eyes closed. No possibility of an honest shot. Eye protection would likely help with this.
7. He's molesting his breathing cycle during the shot, evidenced by his heavy fast breathing after each shot is broke.
8. Bolt manipulation is different nearly every cycle. No uniformity. Speaks to unfamiliarity with his platform.
9. Why is he single loading? Something wrong with his feeding?

If he were better at all of that, he could have probably hit it sooner. Most of this is in gest, as the guy never asked me for my evaluation... but if we're going to talk about shooter skill in relation to equipment, that's there to see along side the equipment too. I'm glad he's got a rifle he enjoys and I'm glad he's out putting it to use.

The message that shooters should buy what they can afford and get to work shooting, is a message I can get behind. The inference that the expensive stuff isn't markedly, massively better, does not have basis in reality. No basis what so ever, actually.

 

[jakelly]

I have never seen his technique for a lefty shooting a RH rifle before. Gracious, somebody donate a LH action to that guy.

 

[kthomas]

You can take a Yugo and a Ferrari to a race track, and both will get you around the track. If you are serious about racing and have the money, you would obviously pick the Ferrari over the Yugo.

If the Yugo is the only car in your budget, it will get you around that race track. Is it the most efficient? Is it the fastest? Is it the most comfortable? Does it have the best or most features? Is it going to have the best handling? Or even mediocre handling for that matter?

I guess I would take a Yugo if it was all I could have, but I would much rather have a Ferrari. Same thing applies in precision rifles, or any aspect of life really.

 

["Kyltro"]

Lobbing mortar fire and correcting until a hit does not take any skill, nor does it ask anything of the equipment. Nothing wrong with a cheap, modern rifle, if chambered and twisted correctly, but a mile for 308 is way past the supersonic zone, and will not be repeatable enough to be usable for anything but the same - keep lobbing them in until one hits, and rejoice as if you had something to do with it. Moronic.

I understand that from time to time I will run into unpleasant guys like you, here in the forum and I accept it !.

I just thought that as you are in this place you would appreciate a good round of shots ..., I know, it is too much effort for you.

 

["Kyltro"]

You can take a Yugo and a Ferrari to a race track, and both will get you around the track. If you are serious about racing and have the money, you would obviously pick the Ferrari over the Yugo.

If the Yugo is the only car in your budget, it will get you around that race track. Is it the most efficient? Is it the fastest? Is it the most comfortable? Does it have the best or most features? Is it going to have the best handling? Or even mediocre handling for that matter?

I guess I would take a Yugo if it was all I could have, but I would much rather have a Ferrari. Same thing applies in precision rifles, or any aspect of life really.

Hi
I understand you and partly share your point of view.

My point is, if the Yugo and the Ferrari are capable of reaching 300km/h, why overpay in a Ferrari?
For me it is just putting the bullet in the target, I am not a sniper, a hunter who lives from what he kills or I earn a living competing in tournaments across the country, many of us only do it for fun.
I believe that marketing unconsciously induces us to pay for things that are undoubtedly spectacular but that we do not really need to achieve certain objectives.

Regards.

 

[SRPowah]

I understand that from time to time I will run into unpleasant guys like you, here in the forum and I accept it !.

I just thought that as you are in this place you would appreciate a good round of shots ..., I know, it is too much effort for you.

The problem is we see people shoot at the same range their whole life and know the dope by heart, go out when conditions are perfect, get a statistically lucky hit, and that is followed by new guys coming in acting like the shooter is a god and that gear doesn't matter.

Yes, you can get hits with less than ideal gear and a decent trigger puller. Look at the military. When you want to increase your hit percentage or push that rifle in more than one situation, you will start to find why people drop the coin.

My point is, if the Yugo and the Ferrari are capable of reaching 300km/h, why overpay in a Ferrari?

What? That ferrari will get there a helluva lot quicker (more precision) or need to also take a corner which will also beat the yugo. That is why some pay more. You really just need to go buy a cheap rifle and get some experience. You are trying to argue with people who have been there, done it, learned from it.

Edit to add: It isn't entirely uncommon for people to think long range is some sort of mysterious dark art. They do all of this reading and research, finally get a rifle, optic, ammo. Get it zero'd, crawl out to 200....300...400 yards. Dial in the ballistic calculator, and bang: ring the 1000 yard target within a month of owning the rifle. They get disappointed because of how easy to was compared to their expectations.

Take that same shooter that now acts like long range is cake into a variable shifting wind and tell them to hit 1000 again and they get embarrassed with constant misses.

 

["Kyltro"]

The problem is we see people shoot at the same range their whole life and know the dope by heart, go out when conditions are perfect, get a statistically lucky hit, and that is followed by new guys coming in acting like the shooter is a god and that gear doesn't matter.

Yes, you can get hits with less than ideal gear and a decent trigger puller. Look at the military. When you want to increase your hit percentage or push that rifle in more than one situation, you will start to find why people drop the coin.

What? That ferrari will get there a helluva lot quicker (more precision) or need to also take a corner which will also beat the yugo. That is why some pay more. You really just need to go buy a cheap rifle and get some experience. You are trying to argue with people who have been there, done it, learned from it.

Hi
What kind of people are you who can't empathize with another shooter's success.

Let me clarify that the bullets do not need to make 90 ° turns, or stop their trajectory and then accelerate to the finish..., they only go from A to B, following a parabolic trajectory displaced horizontally by the wind.

I am convinced that if this guy had a Ferrari it would be the new Lewis Hamilton ...., do you understand me now?

Regards

 

["Kyltro"]

I think that with enough rounds fired, the law of greater numbers suggests a hit will happen at some point. Since the OP is talking about how the shooters skill is what matters, lets evaluate that. Here's what I see.

Hi

Master it was only seven shots.
So he has talent but no technique?

Regards.

 

[Wizzer]

When I was a kid I killed a duck 50ft out in a lake one time with my slingshot and a marble. Hit it in the side of it's head.

 

["Kyltro"]

Hi
This man has a doctorate, lol
First shoot to 1500 yards in .308win
and again, it didn't take a fortune!




regards

 

["Kyltro"]

When I was a kid I killed a duck 50ft out in a lake one time with my slingshot and a marble. Hit it in the side of it's head.

Hi

I could never do that .. lousy execution of my part of that weapon as a child.

Regards.

 

[kthomas]

Hi
I understand you and partly share your point of view.

My point is, if the Yugo and the Ferrari are capable of reaching 300km/h, why overpay in a Ferrari?
For me it is just putting the bullet in the target, I am not a sniper, a hunter who lives from what he kills or I earn a living competing in tournaments across the country, many of us only do it for fun.
I believe that marketing unconsciously induces us to pay for things that are undoubtedly spectacular but that we do not really need to achieve certain objectives.

Regards.

Because there's an obvious difference between a mass produced rifle versus a custom rifle, much like there is between a Yugo and a Ferrari. From performance, functionality, fit and finish, to QA/QC and customer service.

If a Yugo successfully takes you from Point A to Point B, and you are happy with that, then great. Enjoy your Yugo. Personally, I would prefer a Ferrari, but they both have 4 wheels and a steering wheel.

You're obviously trying to justify cheap(er) mass produced rifles over more expensive customs. If a cheap(er) mass produced rifle is all that you can justify for you means, then hats off to you. But that doesn't mean that more expensive customs don't have any benefits and advantages over those rifles.

If you really want to make a compelling argument, have someone take one of these rifles and beat Bart Sauter at a BR match, or better yet, beat one of his world records.

 

[Tokay444]

Hi
I understand you and partly share your point of view.

My point is, if the Yugo and the Ferrari are capable of reaching 300km/h, why overpay in a Ferrari?
For me it is just putting the bullet in the target, I am not a sniper, a hunter who lives from what he kills or I earn a living competing in tournaments across the country, many of us only do it for fun.
I believe that marketing unconsciously induces us to pay for things that are undoubtedly spectacular but that we do not really need to achieve certain objectives.

Regards.

You don’t overpay for a Ferrari. You simply pay. If you spend Ferrari money on a Yugo, you overpaid for a Yugo. Just like you don’t overpay for a custom rifle. You just pay. If you pay custom rifle money for a Bergara HMR, you’ve overpaid.

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Once you get the shooting bug, you will scrounge pingers from other parts of your life to support your habit.
Start with the the basics, rifle torqued to specs, as good a scope and rings as you can get, work on technique/body alignment/breathing/trigger pull,etc.
I don't think a Begara compares favourably against my Tikka.
Would I compare my Tikka to my AI ?
As much as my Tikka is the everyday feral smacker, and I love the way it shoots....it isn't of the same build quality as my AI.
Horses for courses.
If that guy in the video was behind an AI after firing the other, he would know the difference.

 

[SRPowah]

I am convinced that if this guy had a Ferrari it would be the new Lewis Hamilton ...., do you understand me now?

I understand you don't know enough about the subject being discussed and the quoted comment clearly proves that.

We can put you in that same position with basic training, set the rifle up for you, tell you when to squeeze, and you will likely have similar odds of hitting the target if you follow the training.

I am not saying the shooters are good or bad. I am saying you need to recognize the actual hit probability and know there is some luck to get a 1st, and even 10th, round hit at that distance. Once again, please go buy a rifle and get some experience and it will quickly click for you.

 

[BJames]

Hi
This man has a doctorate, lol
First shoot to 1500 yards in .308win
and again, it didn't take a fortune!




regards

You should check out Tyrannosaurus Rex on YouTube

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Lobbing mortar fire and correcting until a hit does not take any skill, nor does it ask anything of the equipment. Nothing wrong with a cheap, modern rifle, if chambered and twisted correctly, but a mile for 308 is way past the supersonic zone, and will not be repeatable enough to be usable for anything but the same - keep lobbing them in until one hits, and rejoice as if you had something to do with it. Moronic.

Being a mortar man (11 Charlie) I take serious exception to your remarks! Achieving qualification in mortar is earning a qualification on what is considered THE MOST DIFFICULT WEAPON TO MASTER. I sir achieved an EXPERT RATING. (the Highest Rating considering your obvious lack of knowledge).

Sir, an apology is in order!

 

[Chickentoast]

I understand that from time to time I will run into unpleasant guys like you, here in the forum and I accept it !.

I just thought that as you are in this place you would appreciate a good round of shots ..., I know, it is too much effort for you.

Not trying to be unpleasant - I can appreciate the occurrence of the statistically improbable event(s). I just refuse to claim or cheer causation for said events. It's illogical, and has been explained in practical terms by many in this thread already.

 

[Chickentoast]

Being a mortar man (11 Charlie) I take serious exception to your remarks! Achieving qualification in mortar is earning a qualification on what is considered THE MOST DIFFICULT WEAPON TO MASTER. I sir achieved an EXPERT RATING. (the Highest Rating considering your obvious lack of knowledge).

Sir, an apology is in order!

Thought I might get lambasted for my choice of metaphor. Father-in-law was recon in Nam and praised his mortar guys many times - apparently they (you?) could lob first round shots in very close to friendly positions - saved him more than once. Hopefully the point of my post was clear - nothing to do with actual mortar fire.

 

[sleeplz]

Being a mortar man (11 Charlie) I take serious exception to your remarks! Achieving qualification in mortar is earning a qualification on what is considered THE MOST DIFFICULT WEAPON TO MASTER. I sir achieved an EXPERT RATING. (the Highest Rating considering your obvious lack of knowledge).

Sir, an apology is in order!

Is this a joke? Can't tell if it's a joke.

 

[ACW39]

OP, honest question, what experiences in long range shooting and race car driving do you have?? I don’t mean any disrespect by this. I’m just wondering because those who have experience shooting long range with both cheap and high end products are explaining how these set ups are different and factor into consistency when shooting at longer distances. Not that you can’t hit targets farther away with a cheaper set up, but to say that they’re equal makes no sense. A Ferrari and yugo aren’t equal and don’t give you the same result. Going around the track isn’t the desired goal. Going around the track as fast as possible is the goal and a Ferrari will always beat a yugo in that regard. Just like a high end rifle and glass will out perform the lesser. Hitting the target every time is the goal. Not every now and then.

Start out with what you can afford, nothing wrong with that as most people start out with relatively cheap set ups. If you never want to upgrade that’s cool. However, to state that people who purchase high end custom set ups are falling into marketing ploys is just incorrect. They serve a purpose to those who have the skills to utilize the tool. Just like a Ferrari in the hands of a first time driver is a waste at a race track. The experienced pro in a yugo will win. The Ferrari in the hands of the pro is a million times better than the yugo. This serves true with shooting as well. If you develop your skills and have both rifles in hand you will undoubtedly see better results from the custom rifle and high end glass. No one here is falling prey to marketing if they’re well researched and listening to those with experience.

 

[supercorndogs]

Oh my. This thread is flirting with being legend.........wait for it......

LEGENDAIRY

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

Is this a joke? Can't tell if it's a joke.

This is no joke, served in Vietnam for the year of 1971. Primary task was a team member on a highly classified electronic warfare project. Primary MOS was Infantry / indirect fire crewman. Training on Mortar was intensive and difficult. Not only just to set it up which had to be exacting, but aiming was fairly math intensive as well as coordinating with the FO. If these terms mean nothing to you, the best way to think about it is as our son describes; 11C is infantry that can do math

 

[DJL2]

For the Marines, I usually just toss them crayons...not sure how you get an 11C to settle down. Anyone got suggestions? ;-)

I'll use a motorcycle analogy for you, OP. Once upon a time I was fairly versed in such things and the market was much different place. Behold the late 2000's, where the 600cc sport bike was only just beginning to cede dominance to the 1000cc superspot with only a few odd balls in between (like the Triumph and the GSX-R 750). Guys did (and still do) test these bikes on many different tracks. On some, like Willow Springs, the difference between a 600 and a liter bike is pretty damn slim for even a very skilled amateur rider. However, when you put the same bikes in the hands of a truly skilled rider, you get an appreciation for just how much faster a 1000cc machine really is. The rider matters...and so do the conditions, the tires...everything. If all you wanna do is stretch the swing arm and run sub 10s, a 600 will mange that fine. Before there were all sorts of rider aids to keep riders from becoming one with the pavement or their surroundings, 600s were THE place to learn. It would take most guys a while before they could out-ride that 600, if they ever could. That doesn't mean 600s are equivalent to liter bikes though...not by a long shot.

 

[RTH1800]

Buddly is that you,?

 

["Kyltro"]

Because there's an obvious difference between a mass produced rifle versus a custom rifle, much like there is between a Yugo and a Ferrari. From performance, functionality, fit and finish, to QA/QC and customer service.

If a Yugo successfully takes you from Point A to Point B, and you are happy with that, then great. Enjoy your Yugo. Personally, I would prefer a Ferrari, but they both have 4 wheels and a steering wheel.

You're obviously trying to justify cheap(er) mass produced rifles over more expensive customs. If a cheap(er) mass produced rifle is all that you can justify for you means, then hats off to you. But that doesn't mean that more expensive customs don't have any benefits and advantages over those rifles.

If you really want to make a compelling argument, have someone take one of these rifles and beat Bart Sauter at a BR match, or better yet, beat one of his world records.

I think you have lost your way and are misrepresenting the original intention of this post.

I'm just saying that the shooters in the videos represent the unspoken example of being able to hit a hit over 1000 yards, with non-premium gear.

Even Formula 1 prohibits some technological advances in cars so that it is the drivers who win the races, not the amount of money for each team ..., do you understand me?

If I were rich and money had no value for me that would be another story, for now one of my main criteria for choosing a setup is who gives me more for my bucks (best value).

Regards.

 

[kthomas]

I think you have lost your way and are misrepresenting the original intention of this post.

I'm just saying that the shooters in the videos represent the unspoken example of being able to hit a hit over 1000 yards, with non-premium gear.

Even Formula 1 prohibits some technological advances in cars so that it is the drivers who win the races, not the amount of money for each team ..., do you understand me?

If I were rich and money had no value for me that would be another story, for now one of my main criteria for choosing a setup is who gives me more for my bucks (best value).

Regards.

I think everyone here is aware that you can hit targets at 1,000+ yards with non-premium gear.

 

["Kyltro"]

OP, honest question, what experiences in long range shooting and race car driving do you have?? I don’t mean any disrespect by this. I’m just wondering because those who have experience shooting long range with both cheap and high end products are explaining how these set ups are different and factor into consistency when shooting at longer distances. Not that you can’t hit targets farther away with a cheaper set up, but to say that they’re equal makes no sense. A Ferrari and yugo aren’t equal and don’t give you the same result. Going around the track isn’t the desired goal. Going around the track as fast as possible is the goal and a Ferrari will always beat a yugo in that regard. Just like a high end rifle and glass will out perform the lesser. Hitting the target every time is the goal. Not every now and then.

Start out with what you can afford, nothing wrong with that as most people start out with relatively cheap set ups. If you never want to upgrade that’s cool. However, to state that people who purchase high end custom set ups are falling into marketing ploys is just incorrect. They serve a purpose to those who have the skills to utilize the tool. Just like a Ferrari in the hands of a first time driver is a waste at a race track. The experienced pro in a yugo will win. The Ferrari in the hands of the pro is a million times better than the yugo. This serves true with shooting as well. If you develop your skills and have both rifles in hand you will undoubtedly see better results from the custom rifle and high end glass. No one here is falling prey to marketing if they’re well researched and listening to those with experience.

Hi
My experience only boils down to two years of military service, medium-range open sights, and 7.62x51 NATO ammo.
As for racing, I only have what I learned in Karting on Sunday afternoons with my family and friends.

After finishing my university studies I decided to take sport shooting as a hobby, to reduce stress ..., I do not pretend to be an expert under any circumstances, but many videos of experienced shooters motivated me to follow this path, I have other posts requesting advice that They have been very useful to me.

It just made me really happy that a "horrible shooter, without the proper technique and cheap equipment" (as you described it here), made that hit.

Regards

 

["Kyltro"]

I think everyone here is aware that you can hit targets at 1,000+ yards with non-premium gear.

Hello

Well, not me..., I thought that a .308win hunting rifle could only be efficient at 656 yards (600mt), and for a greater distance a better barrel would be necessary..., now I know that many are not complicated, just take a great value rifle and scope and have fun making that hit.

Regards.

 

[WATERWALKER]

This is no joke, served in Vietnam for the year of 1971. Primary task was a team member on a highly classified electronic warfare project. Primary MOS was Infantry / indirect fire crewman. Training on Mortar was intensive and difficult. Not only just to set it up which had to be exacting, but aiming was fairly math intensive as well as coordinating with the FO. If these terms mean nothing to you, the best way to think about it is as our son describes; 11C is infantry that can do math

Grunts, 0300 & 11 MOS fields do get a shitty rap for being knuckle draggers. The truth of the matter is most grunts are very intelligent & squared away MFs.

I worked w/ a NG Forward Observer a while back & he was telling me what a badass FO he was, etc. One day I asked him if he could tell me the difference between “Grid, Polar & Shift” fire missions. If ever there was a “doe in the headlights” moment it was then.

I’ll digress at this point, but I don’t care for the dumbass grunt stereotype in general. Rant over.

 

[pmclaine]

Last 1000 yard class I went to at Sig this was the rifle next to me....

He bought the "cheapy" Remington the week before signing up for 3 classes - Scoped rifle 101 (3 day), Scoped rifle 102 (2 day) and Reach for 1000 (1 day).

It was the only rifle available for him to buy in Covid shut down CT.

When he arrived at Sig for his first day of class he mounted the Sig scope he bought that morning.

The day before his Reach for 1000 class his original Sig scope shit the bed and the morning of the 1000 yard class he mounted and zeroed his "new" Sig scope.

He was using 168 grain Sig Ammo - 168 SMKs that will never reach 1000 yards because they drop from the sky at 800 yards.

He was crushing steel at 1000 yards with no problems.

 

[spife7980]

Hello

Well, not me..., I thought that a .308win hunting rifle could only be efficient at 656 yards (600mt), and for a greater distance a better barrel would be necessary..., now I know that many are not complicated, just take a great value rifle and scope and have fun making that hit.

Regards.

Exactly. You don’t know. So quit telling other people what you think you know after they try and give you information.

That’s the only reason for any animosity in this thread. We aren’t impressed with something that is pretty mundane.

 

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[ACW39]

Hi
My experience only boils down to two years of military service, medium-range open sights, and 7.62x51 NATO ammo.
As for racing, I only have what I learned in Karting on Sunday afternoons with my family and friends.

After finishing my university studies I decided to take sport shooting as a hobby, to reduce stress ..., I do not pretend to be an expert under any circumstances, but many videos of experienced shooters motivated me to follow this path, I have other posts requesting advice that They have been very useful to me.

It just made me really happy that a "horrible shooter, without the proper technique and cheap equipment" (as you described it here), made that hit.

It’s good to hear that you’re finding enjoyment in the sport. As you continue to delve into the sport I’m sure you’ll only continue to find out how much fun it really is. I think we are looking at the video in different context. Most here would look at the video as a reach. Knowing the capabilities of the shooting platform along with the shooting solution and applying it all together for consistent hits on targets is the goal. Equipment is a variable in that equation. This is the point most are making. No one is detracting from the shooter hitting a target at a mile with a .308, it’s just not an ideal platform to assess skill sets. It’s like throwing a Hail Mary pass vs a deep corner route pass. The corner route requires marksmanship and consistent accuracy and skill to make that pass, it’s a great measure of a QB’s skill set. NFL scouts would assess the corner route being thrown not the Hail Mary. This is what we’re saying. Lobbing a .308 multiple times at a target a mile away and coming away with hits isn’t the same as placing 10 hits within 1 moa at 700 yards. I would quantify the later as a better representative of the shooters skills and the capabilities of the rifle than shooting at a mile and hitting sometimes.

Again, shoot what you can afford and be happy with that. You don’t have to have crazy expensive equipment to have fun. However, if you can afford better equipment and you get to use both, I’d imagine you’d find the benefit in the better equipment for certain applications. I can also understand that when you start looking into what all the equipment “needs” that are out there, it can become daunting and overwhelming in costs. Don’t get caught up on that. Fundamentals and skills far supersede equipment. Continue to research and you’ll find that you can achieve most any goals you set with lower cost equipment, you’ll just do it better with better equipment. Make sure you research what you use because not all is created equal. I’ve taken plenty of sub 1k rifles past 1k. The difference is that they are less capable than my higher end builds and expose my weaknesses more. Still have a blast shooting them!!

 

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Theres a range I think in SC thats out to a mile and they post videos of people making the shot pretty regularly. w/ all sorts of calibers and platforms youd otherwise not think is possible. theres a video of a guy hitting it w/ a 556. 308 at a mile is no surprise.