Rifle Scopes I messed up

clinto

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I took my new rifle out today to shoot it for the first time and get the barrel broke in. It was a bit windy here so after shooting it I decided to clean the dust off of the scope.

I used the compressed air in a can to blow the dust from around the edges of the objective lens. I guess I tilted the can too much and caused the freezing liquid to spray onto the glass, now the lens is cracked on my brand new premier scope. I feel like such a dumbass.

Anyone have an idea what its gonna cost to replace the objective lens?
 
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Probably not as much as you'd think. The objective should be pretty easy to replace, and under the circumstances I'd think they'd give you a break.

I've messed up and done the same thing, but have never had a lens crack.
 
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clinto give them a call and let me know what they say.

Im curious. Such a high end scope would surely come with an awesome warranty.

And besides, if they didnt give you a break, thats piss poor.

I play around with liquid nitrogen all the time and glassware, and i dont see glass cracking every day.

I have frozen Schott glass at -80 C (-112 F) for months and had no ill effects. I have also used liquid nitrogen in such glassware for short periods of time and also, no bad stuff happens.

I have even been to a local bar that won an award a few years ago for the best cocktail bar in the country. They use liquid nitrogen in a few of their cocktails, and I have seen them take small amounts straight from the Dewer and add it to Martini glasses and even they didnt break.

SO... if Premiers top level glass is breaking from such a small incident, I would be concerned if they didnt help you out.

Vin
 
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Could I interest you in a scope lens pen? Lacks the geek techie appeal but I cant recall the last time I broke an objective with one
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I have never heard of an objective failing like that but Premier is a good company, be interesting to see what they say.

Good Luck
 
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If this really happened the objective must have been under a lot of pressure already from the scope body and close to failing, which would be worrisome. Or maybe the nitrogen in the scope tube had something to do with it. I just looked up all the chemicals in canned air and I don’t see how any of them could have the effect described.
 
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here is a picture of the cracked lens. It does sound a bit unbelievable, but it is no bs. The thing is that it only sprayed a little bit of the freezing liquid on it, it happened really quick.

brokenscopelens1.jpg


Its not completely shattered but definatle cracked
 
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He's in Lubbock Texas so the scope was probably pretty warm. Then he turned the can so that liquid came out. Rapidly cooling part of the lens cracking it. Why call BS on that?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jerkface11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's in Lubbock Texas so the scope was probably pretty warm. Then he turned the can so that liquid came out. Rapidly cooling part of the lens cracking it. Why call BS on that? </div></div>

I just have a hard time believing that alone could crack the lens.

I just thought that glass for decent rifle scopes would be designed to withstand conditions such as rapid temp change.

Perhaps it is simply just a defective piece.

I am sure Premier will fix it up for you. They are good to go, at least they were when I dealt with them not long after the release of the Heritage.

They are awesome scopes too. Hadnt used one very much for awhile until yesterday.

Spent some time comparing (for the hell of it) my buddies 5-25 PH to my new Vortex PST 6-24 side by side.

Both are excellent.
 
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Cracking a lens by spraying it with liquid gass is perfectly possible, and I'd guess that the effect could be reproduced pretty reliably with most optics.

The reaction by many people here is another example in the long line of misjudgements as to the cause and effect of damage to equipment. That "tiny little bit of liquid gas" doesn't seem spectacular, yet the thermal stress on the glass doesn't depend on the impressiveness of the incident. The only thing that counts is the fact that the gas induces a very steep thermal gradient in the glass because it cools it down locally and very quickly. If you cool down the complete lens evenly, there is much less thermally induced stress, because the stress is a result of one part of the lens contracting from the cold while the rest keeps its shape. Cooling down a lens locally at the edge very rapidly is kind of the maximum penalty in this respect.

The comparison with glass tableware really cracked me up (sorry for the pun), I wonder how people would like a scope made from those types of glass. Optical glasses are optimised for optical applications (who would have guessed?) and often glass types with very desirable optical characteristics don't like mechanical stress and thermal shock. There are optical glasses that are at risk of cracking when they are cleaned with cold tap water between grinding steps. While such fragile materials are not suitable for scopes anyway, this illustrates that the problem is very real and that any technical material is a tradeoff between different properties.

A realistic scenario for thermal shock in riflescope application would be jumping from a plane (high altitude, low temparature) into warmer air or worse, water, or moving from a warm building/vehicle into the cold. Of course this kind of stuff gets checked when people like the USMC evaluate a scope, but as I said, none of this comes close to spraying the lens with liquid gas. You could as well hit it with a blowtorch, and scopes are just not designed for stovetop use.

Clinto, you will have to send the scope in to get it fixed. You might want to get hold of Paul if you want to know what to expect in advance. While this is certainly not a warranty issue, changing the objective isn't that big of a deal and you may get away cheaper than you might think.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im curious. Such a high end scope would surely come with an awesome warranty.

And besides, if they didnt give you a break, thats piss poor.
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Why should they give him a break? Thats outside the scopes intended use.

Not saying I dont want them to, but they surely arent under any obligation to help out from a mistake by the owner.
 
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This can easily be tested with boiling water and glass dishware.

Even ceramic can fail in such fashion... But i bet this is a first for a Premier warranty department....


I wonder how they've placed hubble up there to survive the stresses of launch and temperature changes...
 
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Clinto,
Call me up today and I will take care of you. It will be relatively painless- NOT pain free but I will take care of you. You did have to pick the most expensive piece of glass in the whole damn scope, didn't you? LOL.
As David stated it is easy to change the glass in the objective so I am sure we can hook you up.
Paul
540-868-2044 ext 20. If I don't answer have me paged.
 
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clinto,

Don't feel bad. I've come close to spraying the liquid on a lens myself. At least those of us who have read this will remember to be extra careful. I've mostly avoided it because I hate cleaning the crap off when it spatters on glass. Always a good idea to vent some off first while holding the can upright.

I wish Toyota had been as accomodating about my windshield that cracked without any rock chips on a 104 degree day. Have Premier send you back the old lens so you can embed it in acrylic and use it as a coaster.