Straw man. Nobody dismissed anything. I offered an alternative to competition. Your synopsis isn't accurate.
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You sound upset.
Maybe you're on your period.
You could move to Canada and get free tampons...
BTW, for my response to become an argument, it required you to respond, defending your position.
I contend, YOU started the argument.
PRS is distance with a bolt action for the most part . Not suppression spray and pray with an M4 .
You're the one who chose to waste your time.
I can't waste your time for you.
I'd rather be the Strawman than he who talks with paper asshole .
Since you don't seem to get it or much it means that nothing you say holds shit .
You may be the king of the strawman arguement..
Literally nobody even implied anything you're saying.
I played a lot of call of duty back in the day. I’m VERY good with an m4 and can bounce a nade off three walls and drop it in your lap.
I’m no coyote hunter but I could hold my own.
Now, as for applicability of PRS to hunting and vice versa, I am reminded of Piet Malan from South Africa (dutch) and his channel "Impact Shooting."
He does both. He competes all the time, including the various positions. Barriers, caltrops, whathaveyou. And he hunts gemsbok, antelope, whatever. I think he is transferring skill back and forth. PRS? Find a supported position. Hunting? Set up quick and take advantage of timing. Granted, he waits for the animal to stop.
I have seen some video of hog hunters hitting a moving target and being successful. Set up ahead of the target and when it reaches a subtension, squeeze.
Combat is quite different. Granted, being a sneaky bastard is important in both military actions and hunting (you are lying to the deer, elk, whatever.) But you are not likely to be shot at during PRS or hunting.
So, I kind of want to leave combat by itself and here is why.
Not just because it is different because people are shooting at you, but because the ethics are different. In discussions on ethical distance for game animal hunts, I was discussing with a guy who claimed he was in the Marines and engaged enemy agents at 1200 yards. Whereas, he would not shoot at any game animal past 400 yards.
In combat, the idea is to wound the enemy, possibly fatally. So, say the range to target is 400 yards. My first long range shooting author carried a .300 WM in service in the GWOT. He would dial elevation for distance. And just hold the reticle left or right edge of target zone into the wind and would get a hit in that zone and this worked out to 500 yards. Most engagements were closer than that. More like 300 yards and in.
Anyway, if it was not an assigned target that needed to be confirmed, then the idea was to injure one and let the friends come out and get him and now one target turns into three. And the ethic is such that you are not concerned with their suffering. They are the enemy and they would just as soon kill you as look at you.
Opposed to game animals. We do not want them to suffer. The cannot shoot back. So, ethically, we cannot take risky shots that may only wound them. Nothing wrong with a brachial plexus (high shoulder) shot but you need to be good with your skills and you need to be close. Why close?
There is a guy named Brandon in south Texas and he has the Texas Plinking channel on YouTube. Every month, he has the 1 MOA at 1,000 yards challenge.
These people come out there, some with some expensive rigs. And get humbled by the wind. That wind will make you its bitch. It's enough to miss a game animal target.
As oppose to PRS and other comps where you are putting holes in paper or ringing steel and a miss is just lost points, and not a wounded animal.
So, I have learned something about hunting by watching the 1 MOA at 1k challenge. That is not a shot to take, even by good shooters, on a game animal. But a 10 or 12 inch target? G'head.
I like to think that all of it is good and teaches something, even if one thing does not equal the other. Being shot at puts some stress on you. How do I know? I have been shot at. It put stress upon me.
Taking the time to set up a good shot is worth it.
Take the shot when you can, second-guessing yourself does not help.
All of this with a grain of salt. As an expert on rifles and sharpshooting, I am a pretty good electrician.
He does both. He competes all the time, including the various positions. Barriers, caltrops, whathaveyou. And he hunts gemsbok, antelope, whatever. I think he is transferring skill back and forth. PRS? Find a supported position. Hunting? Set up quick and take advantage of timing. Granted, he waits for the animal to stop.
I have seen some video of hog hunters hitting a moving target and being successful. Set up ahead of the target and when it reaches a subtension, squeeze.
Combat is quite different. Granted, being a sneaky bastard is important in both military actions and hunting (you are lying to the deer, elk, whatever.) But you are not likely to be shot at during PRS or hunting.
So, I kind of want to leave combat by itself and here is why.
Not just because it is different because people are shooting at you, but because the ethics are different. In discussions on ethical distance for game animal hunts, I was discussing with a guy who claimed he was in the Marines and engaged enemy agents at 1200 yards. Whereas, he would not shoot at any game animal past 400 yards.
In combat, the idea is to wound the enemy, possibly fatally. So, say the range to target is 400 yards. My first long range shooting author carried a .300 WM in service in the GWOT. He would dial elevation for distance. And just hold the reticle left or right edge of target zone into the wind and would get a hit in that zone and this worked out to 500 yards. Most engagements were closer than that. More like 300 yards and in.
Anyway, if it was not an assigned target that needed to be confirmed, then the idea was to injure one and let the friends come out and get him and now one target turns into three. And the ethic is such that you are not concerned with their suffering. They are the enemy and they would just as soon kill you as look at you.
Opposed to game animals. We do not want them to suffer. The cannot shoot back. So, ethically, we cannot take risky shots that may only wound them. Nothing wrong with a brachial plexus (high shoulder) shot but you need to be good with your skills and you need to be close. Why close?
There is a guy named Brandon in south Texas and he has the Texas Plinking channel on YouTube. Every month, he has the 1 MOA at 1,000 yards challenge.
These people come out there, some with some expensive rigs. And get humbled by the wind. That wind will make you its bitch. It's enough to miss a game animal target.
As oppose to PRS and other comps where you are putting holes in paper or ringing steel and a miss is just lost points, and not a wounded animal.
So, I have learned something about hunting by watching the 1 MOA at 1k challenge. That is not a shot to take, even by good shooters, on a game animal. But a 10 or 12 inch target? G'head.
I like to think that all of it is good and teaches something, even if one thing does not equal the other. Being shot at puts some stress on you. How do I know? I have been shot at. It put stress upon me.
Taking the time to set up a good shot is worth it.
Take the shot when you can, second-guessing yourself does not help.
All of this with a grain of salt. As an expert on rifles and sharpshooting, I am a pretty good electrician.
Is that Google translate?
You'd have to fail out before 8th grade to be that bad at grammar.
Had a fucking Ford 8N do that to me. yep, I flew off as best I could. Stopped a quarter turn before ending my life. I’ve always hated the damned things since then. Give me a modern tractor with a decent dual clutch and a solid roll bar that I always keep up.
(How’s this for changing the subject and hijacking the thread.
That is also funny. Savory and piquant bons mot abound. Tres bon!
Wow that hurt . Now do my BMI or I know I know . How bout my SAT . Or maybe Lorde over me cuz you were in Mathletes .
Just cause yer standing on the sofa in Mom's basement doesn't mean you got the high ground Moron .
You've hopped the fence so many times talking out yer ass it's getting hard to keep up with what position you actually hold .
Do your parents have any photos of you without the coat hanger stickin out yer head ?
You might need spell check. Because, this led to a totally different mental image.
@BurtG you got some folks pretty damn pressed.
Way I see it is there’s a few things to be learned from shooting PRS style matches. Shooting off of shit that’s not the ground or a bench. Building a good position quickly and effectively to engage whatever it may be, soft or steel, with in a set amount of time. Managing recoil in unique and challenging positions. Target location (some of that steel blends in really well and adds a more stressful atmosphere to a otherwise routine CoF)
Can you accomplish that strictly hunting coyotes or other critters? Sure. But it may take you several years to be efficient whereas you go to a handful of matches and/or practice the shit you see in a lot of matches, you might have more success in being efficient a lot sooner.
Like someone earlier said, you don’t know what you don’t know. And you can’t get better with out knowing what your weaknesses are.
Way I see it is there’s a few things to be learned from shooting PRS style matches. Shooting off of shit that’s not the ground or a bench. Building a good position quickly and effectively to engage whatever it may be, soft or steel, with in a set amount of time. Managing recoil in unique and challenging positions. Target location (some of that steel blends in really well and adds a more stressful atmosphere to a otherwise routine CoF)
Can you accomplish that strictly hunting coyotes or other critters? Sure. But it may take you several years to be efficient whereas you go to a handful of matches and/or practice the shit you see in a lot of matches, you might have more success in being efficient a lot sooner.
Like someone earlier said, you don’t know what you don’t know. And you can’t get better with out knowing what your weaknesses are.
My parents don't have any photos of me.
Your mom does though. Look under her bed in that "special box". Just be ready to see things that will have you squatting to piss the rest of your days.
You aren't built for this.
Real sorry to hear that, but glad you made it. Had a friends wife and a former girlfriend hurt by being launched during car accidents.
That was not the point of my post. I just though the ongoing ‘debate’ is like a slow motion wreck that just keeps going in a humorous way….
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Fer what ? Sitting a Low T retard down . If you used that sliver a brain you got you'd tell yer dick beaters ta quit typing it.
All you've done is contradict yourself and talk shit . Whata ya gonna do confuse the shit outta me .
FFS.
The phrase emotionally invested has reached a new level.
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The phrase emotionally invested has reached a new level.
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I'm a veteran and although my hay day was a long time ago I did that. But the training was very realistic and we did do shoot houses, but also we did a lot of training with opposing forces using dummy guns, laser systems outside, or simunition inside. But I thinking training, especially as a team to get it right is very different than unrealistic timed drills ignoring tactics for a score. If you want to play a game, comp is great, but to say it makes you better, you have to define what you are better at.
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Your Grammar looks like if Louis L'Amour drank a 5th of tequila, ate a can of alphabet soup and then captured explosive diarrhea in a dirty 5 gallon bucket.Fer what ? Sitting a Low T retard down . If you used that sliver a brain you got you'd tell yer dick beaters ta quit typing it.
All you've done is contradict yourself and talk shit . Whata ya gonna do confuse the shit outta me .
What in tarnation are yer terking about feller? You make less sense than your president talking about the economy. Fuck, even he probably knows that "yer" isn't a word.
I don't dispute that . I would say that on the skill side timed target acquisition , position building and engagement aka bang it's legit .
Two sides of the coin . Tactics and skill . IIRC even the Corps is encouraging troops to compete and providing ammo to make better shooters . Skill side .
Corps is still providing tactics side and marrying the two .
Really common back in my call of duty combat days to hear comments like this. I would usually just try not to tear up and press through…
@Alphatreedog sounds like he can also bench more concrete than you.
Yeah but does he have Velcro sneakers ?
I've read all yer posts in this thread. I think yer dyin to tell us how good and proficient of a hunter, outdoorsman and mountaineer you are.
So I'll go ahead and ask.
But remember, tracking a deer from the food plot to the fence doesn't rate very high.
I love listening to posers talk about all of their knowledge of the military. I'll bet your prs costumes are operator as fuck.
What do you do with all of the time you save by not using all of the letters in a word?
I'm arguing with autistic Yosemite fucking Sam.
PRS jerseys are not operator as fuck. You know that. You have seen us walking around in bright jerseys with logos all over them. The guys that have an advantage because they are sponsored.
My monster energy drink patch gets me two points a match.
My Valtrex sponsorship is good for at least a point or two.
Thankfully I’m sponsored by Quigley Ford optics because that’s worth an extra 5-10pts a match…usually gets me into the top 10 with that patch alone.
Just waiting for that Oneillops sponsorship to bridge the coyote hunting/PRS gap to win my first national match!
Damn, that was almost funny. I tried to laugh, but it just wasn't there. The Valtrex thing was a nice touch, as was the O'Neil ops mention. You just needed more pazaz. Are you Canadian, or an engineer?
I'm fuckin crying laughing .
The obnoxious kid from Better off Dead is actually funny . Not bad wittle man .
I don't know where yer from but around here yer is definitely a werd.
“upper echelon” lmfao Mr 238
MY dad works at Nintendo and he says yer full of shit.
Shut up diaper boy. Nobody asked you
There aren’t farm fields , pasture fields , power line cuts etc where you are ?
I know cars drive faster if they have "racing" stripes painted on. Does that help with fancy designs on chassis or even on the shirt?
I laughed at the notion of winning points just on sponsorship patches.
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