IMI RazorCore 77 sale
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My 240rd order arrived Thursday; a random selection of ten rounds passed the appearance test. Meplats are very consistent. The annealing 'stain' is quite dark and pronounced.
I'm not ready to resume my shooting year, will probably venture out sometime in the next two weeks, will test in Savage 11VT 24" 1:9", Stag Model 6 Super Varminter 24" 1:8", and a new AR Stoner 16" 1:7" Upper.
It should stabilize in each. Testing will be in comparison to Frontier 75gr Match, and handloads with HDY 75gr HPBT-Match and 23.5gr, 23.7gr Varget.
Reports to follow in a few weeks from now.
Greg
I'm not ready to resume my shooting year, will probably venture out sometime in the next two weeks, will test in Savage 11VT 24" 1:9", Stag Model 6 Super Varminter 24" 1:8", and a new AR Stoner 16" 1:7" Upper.
It should stabilize in each. Testing will be in comparison to Frontier 75gr Match, and handloads with HDY 75gr HPBT-Match and 23.5gr, 23.7gr Varget.
Reports to follow in a few weeks from now.
Greg
I am treating this purchase as a 'special case'. Whenever I see ammunition being 'dumped' at a 'one time only special price', my BS meter gets twitchy. It may be a false positive, but I'm new to this load and will be testing this stuff before I pin my hopes on it. Ths sale accompanied the Frontier 75gr Match product release and may just be a (Midway...? IMI...?) marketing project, or...
I will be simultaneously testing it alongside the new Frontier 75gr Match load that is made at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant with LC brass head stamped Frontier, and Hornady 75 grain HPBT-Match bullets.
Those hopes are that this IMI 77 load will run acceptably in my three 24" rifles, and my new 16" 1:7" Upper; same hope for the Frontier 75 Match.
If it does, I just may stock up on a bit of it/them and take some well earned time off from that portion of my loading bench workload.
As much faith as I place in my own handloads, handloading is still a necessary evil in my view.
Greg
FLASH MESSAGE FOLLOWS:
The Midway sale is BACK ON as a clearance.
I will be simultaneously testing it alongside the new Frontier 75gr Match load that is made at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant with LC brass head stamped Frontier, and Hornady 75 grain HPBT-Match bullets.
Those hopes are that this IMI 77 load will run acceptably in my three 24" rifles, and my new 16" 1:7" Upper; same hope for the Frontier 75 Match.
If it does, I just may stock up on a bit of it/them and take some well earned time off from that portion of my loading bench workload.
As much faith as I place in my own handloads, handloading is still a necessary evil in my view.
Greg
FLASH MESSAGE FOLLOWS:
The Midway sale is BACK ON as a clearance.
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IMI makes great ammo. My experience is not quite as consistent as Federal. Lake City is better and Black Hills is best.
For whatever reason, I have standardized on certain ammo for certain guns, gas systems, barrel lengths and desired firing range, and I am stubborn and will not likely change unless my go-to selection is one-upped by another better brand and price. For me, IMI 69gr 5.56mm, with 18" and 20" barrels at medium to long range. For longer-range, 77gr Black Hills OTM or tipped Mk262 takes it.
My Sunday FWIW, WGAFF post. What, you missed that acromym. Learn it now. (Who Gives a Flighing Fart)
For whatever reason, I have standardized on certain ammo for certain guns, gas systems, barrel lengths and desired firing range, and I am stubborn and will not likely change unless my go-to selection is one-upped by another better brand and price. For me, IMI 69gr 5.56mm, with 18" and 20" barrels at medium to long range. For longer-range, 77gr Black Hills OTM or tipped Mk262 takes it.
My Sunday FWIW, WGAFF post. What, you missed that acromym. Learn it now. (Who Gives a Flighing Fart)
Hornady...or Frontier shoots about 1MoA for 10-shots in my rifle with an ES of 83 to 93 fps in two tests. It's decent ammo for 3-Gun or plinking but it's not precision ammo and it's got a low BC because of the T2 bullet. I wouldn't compare it to IMI Razor Core except for price on sale although neither has great SD/ES. The IMI has shot better for me tho.
Myself and a few close shooting buddies have been shooting IMI 77 RazorCore out of WOA 1:7 barrels for years. It's been fast and very accurate. Nothing new here, buy with confidence.
Thats an outstanding price, the few mags of IMI I have shot through rifles have all gone bang and in the same-ish spot on a target.
The best group I ever shot out of my knights SR15 rifle was with the IMI 77gr. Razor core. It was probably dumb luck, but all 3 rounds made a ragged hole and we looked at each other like WTF. 16" barrel and Geisselle SD-3G??? Take it for what its worth but never shot a better group since with other ammo. I don't normally shoot groups with my fully semi-automatic SR-15! LOL
I made a few different purchases from midway through their clearance price on this ammo as well, (all ended up being same lot #) and it has been very accurate.
.5-.7's from my Daniel Defense v11 pro.
Great ammo. Can't beat it at that price.
.5-.7's from my Daniel Defense v11 pro.
Great ammo. Can't beat it at that price.
Right now, the sale is off again.
Midway is also selling Frontier 75gr Match, which is essentially a brass cased (crimped primer) Military Grade Match load made with Frontier head stamped LC brass on the Lake City Ammunition Plant production line for Hornady, using the Hornady 75gr HPBT-Match bullet.
This Frontier venture is a brand new initiative between Hornady and Lake City (Federal?) along what appears to be similar lines to Sierra and IMI. This stuff is regular priced at $.63-$.67 per round. Current IMI 77 regular price is $.76-$.90 per round (Midway pricing).
I have 120rd of it onhand to test in several of my AR15's alongside the IMI 77 and some HDY 75gr HPBT-Match handloads of my own. Having a devil of a time getting out to the range, though; and AZ just closed all desert lands to shooting as a precaution against wildfires between now and the official start of the Monsoon season.
Greg
Midway is also selling Frontier 75gr Match, which is essentially a brass cased (crimped primer) Military Grade Match load made with Frontier head stamped LC brass on the Lake City Ammunition Plant production line for Hornady, using the Hornady 75gr HPBT-Match bullet.
This Frontier venture is a brand new initiative between Hornady and Lake City (Federal?) along what appears to be similar lines to Sierra and IMI. This stuff is regular priced at $.63-$.67 per round. Current IMI 77 regular price is $.76-$.90 per round (Midway pricing).
I have 120rd of it onhand to test in several of my AR15's alongside the IMI 77 and some HDY 75gr HPBT-Match handloads of my own. Having a devil of a time getting out to the range, though; and AZ just closed all desert lands to shooting as a precaution against wildfires between now and the official start of the Monsoon season.
Greg
Frontier on sale here at .42/round;
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupers...nato-75-gr-bthp-match-frontier-500-round-case
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsupers...nato-75-gr-bthp-match-frontier-500-round-case
Like I posted above, the Frontier is good in regard to 100yds precision; turned out back to back 10-shot groups right around MoA. The MV ES and SD are garbage for long work and the low BC of the T2 will show more vertical stringing than the 77gn SMK or 75gn BTHP given them same MV and ES/SD. In short, it's good ammo for 300yds and closer positional practice, 3-Gun, and because of the T2 bullet also duty/self-defense ammo.
KineticP; thank you for your insight on the 75gr Frontier. I will be looking to confirm your results when I get out and test the various ammunition choices. Since I will only have distances currently out to 300M available, I'll be putting a lot of effort into the testing out that far.
I am not familiar with the T2 bullet or that it's what's loaded in the 75 Frontier; my thinking was that the HDY 75 HPBT-Match was what's being used.
I would suspect that the ES/SD issue might have something to do with powder charge consistency, something I found to be definitely not the case with FED M855 which I believe is also produced on the LC production line. Those charges were bang-on to the tenth for all of the 20 rounds I disassembled couple of years back in testing. I may do the same with the Frontier; and could end up reassembling it with more charge weight precision in a Mexican Match process. If it's not the charges; well, I have a goodly bunch of the 75gr HPBT-Match bullets onhand, but substituting them would defeat the purpose of this round of tests.
Conditions need to be right, and I've been getting hammered with distractions (medical appointments for my Wife and I, etc.) and/or unfavorable winds. It will happen, but right now I can't predict exactly when.
I'll be testing in both a 24" 1:8" bull barrel AR and a pencil weight 16" 1:7" barrel AR, both of which are free floated factory equipment, and will have workable magnification optics for this test.
Greg
I am not familiar with the T2 bullet or that it's what's loaded in the 75 Frontier; my thinking was that the HDY 75 HPBT-Match was what's being used.
I would suspect that the ES/SD issue might have something to do with powder charge consistency, something I found to be definitely not the case with FED M855 which I believe is also produced on the LC production line. Those charges were bang-on to the tenth for all of the 20 rounds I disassembled couple of years back in testing. I may do the same with the Frontier; and could end up reassembling it with more charge weight precision in a Mexican Match process. If it's not the charges; well, I have a goodly bunch of the 75gr HPBT-Match bullets onhand, but substituting them would defeat the purpose of this round of tests.
Conditions need to be right, and I've been getting hammered with distractions (medical appointments for my Wife and I, etc.) and/or unfavorable winds. It will happen, but right now I can't predict exactly when.
I'll be testing in both a 24" 1:8" bull barrel AR and a pencil weight 16" 1:7" barrel AR, both of which are free floated factory equipment, and will have workable magnification optics for this test.
Greg
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Bought some from Midway yesterday, soon as gets here I’ll see how it shoots compared to similar Hornady rounds I usually shoot.
My box of 240 rounds showed up yesterday. Interested to see how it shoots. Ive been on a quest to find the best $12-$14/box ammo for my 16'' Sig SPR. I shot Hornady Black 75grn HPBT and it performed decent. I have high hopes for the IMI. I regularly shoot IMI 55grn for plinking ammo and I have been pretty happy with it. Ill update with some group photos once I get a chance to shoot next week.
I got to shoot some of the IMI 77 yesterday. I was shooting steel so can’t really comment on groups. Here are how the numbers looked through a 20” JP.
My 20" JP did not like the IMI Razorcore. I want to say it was close to 1 moa from my JP. If you shoot some more, some group size info would be nice.
FWIW, my JP likes
Copper Creek 77gr Berget OTM
Defender 69gr SMK
Hornady Black 75gr Match
The Copper Creek and Defender shoot .25 to .5 moa groups and the Hornady Black around .5moa
Hated
Hornady Superformance Match the .223 and 556 chamberings
Hornady 73gr ELD
Nosler Match 77gr
CorBon 77gr MPR
FWIW, my JP likes
Copper Creek 77gr Berget OTM
Defender 69gr SMK
Hornady Black 75gr Match
The Copper Creek and Defender shoot .25 to .5 moa groups and the Hornady Black around .5moa
Hated
Hornady Superformance Match the .223 and 556 chamberings
Hornady 73gr ELD
Nosler Match 77gr
CorBon 77gr MPR
Shot the IMI Razorcore out of my 16'' Sig Sauer M400 today and it did very well. I didnt shoot to many 100 yard groups but they were sub MOA the sighters I did shoot. I took it out to 600 yards consistently getting several impacts on small targets. I am very impressed with this ammo and it will now be my go to for SPR use as well as coyote round.
I run this in a stock 16" M&P with great results. 2770 fps with a lot of groups I would have never believed came from a stock upper
Just ordered 500 rds of the IMI 77gr Razorcore to try out in a new SPR style AR15. I’m hoping for sub moa groups (obviously, smaller would be even nicer), and consistent hits out to 600-700 yds. Keeping my fingers crossed here that my rifle likes them!?
