Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

[SmokeRolls]

I have a Realtree camoed AR-10 and it's one of my coyote/deer hunting rifles. It has the factory 20" barrel and I have not done any mods to the rifle but now I am considering doing some upgrades or atleast coming up with a plan to improve it's long range accuracy.
I still want to keep the camo on the rifle but I can deal with replacing the barrel and loosing the camo on the barrel and even the forearm grip if it's one of the keys that is limiting the barrels performance.

What other mods would you recommend and from whom would you recommend do the work. I would like to extract as much improvement as possible but still have a good working reliable rifle.

Your advice would be appreciated.
.....SmokeRolls

 

[ZLBubba]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

You may want to check out a Noveske 308 barrel. I've read a number of times on the Hide that the single biggest factor in a gas gun's accuracy is the quality of the barrel. That may be the best bang for your buck. If I were building my own AR-10, I'd probably go with a Noveske since they're readily available and excellent quality. Here's the link .

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

ar's are all about triggers and barrels......learn it ....live it !

get a jp adjustable trigger , junk the gorilla springs and go for the high speed low mass hammer.

your welcome.

 

[Jrb572]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

Sorry I don't have an answer about what barrel or upgrades to do. But if you change parts. Send them to dynamic finishes in KC to have them camo dipped.

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ar's are all about triggers and barrels......learn it ....live it !

get a jp adjustable trigger , junk the gorilla springs and go for the high speed low mass hammer.

your welcome.</div></div>
Yeah I agree the stock trigger in this Armalite is like dragging your finger through a box of rocks. I have a Timney 4.5 lb drop in in my POF and love it. I have never used a JP trigger though. Is it a one piece drop in or a pieced assembly?
....SmokeRolls

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrb572</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry I don't have an answer about what barrel or upgrades to do. But if you change parts. Send them to dynamic finishes in KC to have them camo dipped. </div></div>
Thanks for the recommendation on the camo, I'll go to their site and save it in my favorites for a future use.
....SmokeRolls

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrb572</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry I don't have an answer about what barrel or upgrades to do. But if you change parts. Send them to dynamic finishes in KC to have them camo dipped. </div></div>

Here is the site you are talking about.
Nice camo options.

http://www.dynamicfinishes.com/

...SMokeRolls

 

[Jrb572]

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They do nice work. Sent my A5 to them on Monday had it back on Friday. Email them for pricing. I paid less than what there site said it cost to dip the stock. I think it was $80.00.

 

[EL34]

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These guys have both the Noveske, and the Kaiser Defense barrels, from 16"-21" http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/browse&category=arvariants_barrels . I've no actual experience with them, my factory 10t barrel has done fine.
Though I do need to look into a better trigger. HTH.

 

[McCrazy]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ar's are all about triggers and barrels......learn it ....live it !

get a jp adjustable trigger , junk the gorilla springs and go for the high speed low mass hammer.

your welcome.</div></div>
Yeah I agree the stock trigger in this Armalite is like dragging your finger through a box of rocks.
....SmokeRolls </div></div>

I bet the trigger in my Bushmaster AR-10 is worse.

If your handguard isn't free floating I would highly recommend investing in one that is.

Also, Geiselle just came out with several AR-10 specific triggers.

Not to hijack but to help the thread: Who are some of the better gunsmiths to send an AR-10 to for a rebarrel and other accuracy work? I know GAP handles ARs but how about some others too.

 

[Nihonjin]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, Geiselle just came out with several AR-10 specific triggers. </div></div>Do you have a link or source to this info? I was always under the impression that all Geissele triggers were both AR15 and 10 compatible.

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nihonjin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, Geiselle just came out with several AR-10 specific triggers. </div></div>Do you have a link or source to this info? I was always under the impression that all Geissele triggers were both AR15 and 10 compatible. </div></div>
Here you go.
http://geissele.com/
....SmokeRolls

 

[leadbullet]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

My Ar10 was a solid 1MOA rifle no matter what load I shot through, installed a noveske 21" and a geissele trigger and Bam 1/2 MOA.
hope this helps

 

[mrhog]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

Pull out the factory trigger; send it to Bill Springfield for the 2.5 lb trigger job. Never look back. The best $59.00 you'll ever spend.

http://triggerwork.net/index.html

 

[djkest]

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I will just echo the comments of others here.

New Barrel
Free float handguard (if you don't already have one)
Good trigger

Should be all you can / should do. I think there are about 10 options now for AR-10 free floating handguards, just make sure they are free floating.

Enjoy your AR-10!

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

smoke...here.....


http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.2_fc.php

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

Thanks Bolt. I'm checking out all the different triggers. Is there really a clear winner on all the custom triggers for the AR platform???
One says Timney, one says Geissele, one says jp.
It's not that I want to discount anyones advice. It looks like the 4 pounders are the minimum recommended for AR-10 or as I am gathering intel.
Have you seen failures in certain brands or less than optimum performance in particular triggers?
I will go for a new barrel with matching gas block . The Noveske 21" looks good to me. The Kreiger seems to have a nice drop in but I like that Noveske likes to match bolt to their barrel.
I will look into the fully free floated handguard to improve any and all accuracy.
And then I will have the rifle recoated in Realtree camo to finish it up.
I appreciate all the good advice on the AR-10 improvements. Keep it coming if you have something to add.

.....SmokeRolls

 

[Nihonjin]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheSmokeRolls</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nihonjin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, Geiselle just came out with several AR-10 specific triggers. </div></div>Do you have a link or source to this info? I was always under the impression that all Geissele triggers were both AR15 and 10 compatible. </div></div>
Here you go.
http://geissele.com/
....SmokeRolls </div></div>Hey, Geissele finally updated their website. Still, I see nothing referring to any AR10 specific triggers. Again, I was always under the impression that because all Geissele triggers use full power hammer springs that they could be compatible with both AR15 and AR10 platforms, unlike some other manufacturers.

 

[ohiogunnut]

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Huge +1 for the Geiselle DMR trigger (they work quite well in an AR10). The Tubbs carrier weight and buffer spring will make life better for your brass. As I shoot suppressed, an adjustable gas block with a PRI charging handle was a requirement and as an aside I run an Armalite 24" T barrel (pretty sure made by Criterion/Krieger) and the gun is a solid .75 MOA with 155 scenars over 45gr IMR 4895. Also agree a free float handguard is a must (http://www.superiorweaponssystems.com/E1Rifle.htm). I tend to shoot my 7mm more now, but the AR10 is a great gun.

 

[ckirkc]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

Pm sent on Noveske barrel

 

[NYresq]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

Ohiogunnut, who makes the brass catcher you have mounted on your rifle in the picture?
I have been looking for one that doesnt tend to catch the brass and cause a stove pipe, but not having much luck with two different models I tried...

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ohiogunnut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Huge +1 for the Geiselle DMR trigger (they work quite well in an AR10). The Tubbs carrier weight and buffer spring will make life better for your brass. As I shoot suppressed, an adjustable gas block with a PRI charging handle was a requirement and as an aside I run an Armalite 24" T barrel (pretty sure made by Criterion/Krieger) and the gun is a solid .75 MOA with 155 scenars over 45gr IMR 4895. Also agree a free float handguard is a must (http://www.superiorweaponssystems.com/E1Rifle.htm). I tend to shoot my 7mm more now, but the AR10 is a great gun.

</div></div>
Nice rig Ohiogunnut.
.....SmokeRolls

 

[k2peaker]

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I asked the same question of Geissele yesterday, i.e., compatibility of their triggers with the AR10 platform.

Answer: "Any of our triggers will work well in the AR10."
Barbara H. - Trigger Technician

I'm not sure about the "4lbs minimum on a AR10" comment. My JP LRP currently has a 3.5lb trigger measured; it has functioned great its first 50 rounds of life.

 

[ohiogunnut]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NYresq</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ohiogunnut, who makes the brass catcher you have mounted on your rifle in the picture?
I have been looking for one that doesnt tend to catch the brass and cause a stove pipe, but not having much luck with two different models I tried... </div></div>

The one I run on my AR10 is the "3BUCC" sold by Brownells and it works great, however it does not work with Larue mounts which I have on my other AR's. I recently picked up one sold by Tacticalbrassrecovery which works quite well as a side mount (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=204491&Number=2291620)

 

[Xshot]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

My A4F shot pretty good right out of the box, but the consistency wasn't there. I was considering a new barrel, but there weren't many available at the time. I purchased an Armalite aluminum FF tube, on sale, and installed it after I painted it with a high temp wrinkle finish paint. Solved my consistency problem and it now shoots well under MOA. FWIW - the wrinkle paint provided a better feel and grip surface.

Almost forgot... I had Bill Springfield rework my trigger to 3 pounds.

 

[sititunga]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">smoke...here.....


http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.2_fc.php </div></div>

+1

But this is the puppy you need.

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.5_LRP07.php

 

[SmokeRolls]

Re: Improving the accuracy of an AR-10 Armalite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">smoke...here.....


http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.2_fc.php </div></div>

+1

But this is the puppy you need.

http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.5_LRP07.php </div></div>
The last web address you posted did not work or I couldn't pull it up.
This one: http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.5_LRP07.php

...SmokeRolls

 

[neeley205]

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I had the JP trigger with the JP high speed hammer in my SASS. It was very nice.

 

[djkest]

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What's the deal with high-speed hammers? I've seen this pop up now and again. Is the idea that the round fires faster, thus less effected by small positional variances when you pull the trigger?

I have seem some people cut off the spur on the hammer, and then dremel grind the back part smooth. Sounds kind of ghetto, but would essentially be free compared to buying a new hammer. What do you think?