Independent voters...WTF?

[Arc Light]

This is just a rant and something that has bewildered me for a while now. Who the fuck are these so-called "independent voters"? I've never met one. And I cannot fathom the mentality of these people. To me, they stand for nothing, blow with the political winds, and are easily swayed. I guess it's because I'm a die-hard conservative and have been since I was old enough to realize what politics is. I've always realized that liberals/leftists, and now all Democrats, are the antithesis of everything I stand for and believe. I would sooner be drawn and quartered than ever consider voting for one. Yet their are apparently people that are willing to vote for a conservative in one election, and be swayed to vote for a liberal the next time. And these wishy-washy people are the ones that decide our elections? I don't get it

 

[accurate obsession]

I could almost vote Democrat if my only GOP choice was Mitt Romney, almost.....
Fuck that, voting Libertarian.

 

[Milf Dots]

My strategy for Repub primaries is to vote for the most conservative candidate who can defeat the dem in a general election. I have no use for people who don't do the same.

 

[Arc Light]

I could almost vote Democrat if my only GOP choice was Mitt Romney, almost.....
Fuck that, voting Libertarian.

If my choices were two scumbags like say any Democrat or Romney or one of the Bush's, I would write in a candidate.

 

[Jgault]

This is just a rant and something that has bewildered me for a while now. Who the fuck are these so-called "independent voters"? I've never met one. And I cannot fathom the mentality of these people. To me, they stand for nothing, blow with the political winds, and are easily swayed. I guess it's because I'm a die-hard conservative and have been since I was old enough to realize what politics is. I've always realized that liberals/leftists, and now all Democrats, are the antithesis of everything I stand for and believe. I would sooner be drawn and quartered than ever consider voting for one. Yet their are apparently people that are willing to vote for a conservative in one election, and be swayed to vote for a liberal the next time. And these wishy-washy people are the ones that decide our elections? I don't get it

Independent voters will be written on our tombstone, they only care that the Wi-Fi is on and grocery store is stocked and can’t see more than a few feet down the road, then they will buy into any nonsense someone says even if it has no chance of solving anything or is a blatant lie. On titanic it was the independent voters who believed the crew when they said of course there are lifeboats for everyone, just be patient and wait your turn.

 

[theLBC]

 

[NoDopes]

There is now seems to be a fourth group who want to get the great reset started.

 

[Dirty D]

If my choices were two scumbags like say any Democrat or Romney or one of the Bush's, I would write in a candidate.

That’s very independent of you

 

[Keeper22]

I have often wondered that too, I guess it could depend on how you identify your political affiliation. I don't see myself as a Republican, I am a conservative and as we know a large part of the Republican elected officals are not conservative. Maybe they vote with their feelings about the person not their policies. I think Trump is an A hole and is very childish, but I could give a crap about that his policies were America first always, so I voted for him every time. Who knows maybe there will be some enlightenment in this thread.

 

[Woodlanddude]

Let me take a stab at this for you.

There are 2 types of independent voters in general. Those who are truly whimsical, and vote which ever way the wind is blowing. However, let me frame up an alternative reason for you.
From personal experience in the early 2000's I happened to work occasionally in the federal building that held my state Congressman and Senator's offices. If you went in and had a conversation with a staffer about your thoughts on a bill it went one of two ways:
Way 1: If you were of their party, they pretended to listen to you, you were patted on the back assured that they had your best interest in mind, and they sent you out the door giving 2 fucks less what your thoughts were, because being in their party, they already felt assured you were voting their way.
Way 2: If you went in stating that you were from the opposing party, they again pretended to listen to you, and then told you how they appreciated hearing your thoughts, but fuck off(nicely), because they had to listen to the majority of their constituents whom they claimed disagree with your position, and then they sent you out the door giving 2 fucks less what your thoughts were.
Now, after a few years of this and overhearing another type of conversation I came to this conclusion:
Way 3: At least on occasion, if you went in stating you were an Independent, the note pads came out and serious writing occurred. Why? They knew back then that the "swing vote" has determined the elections for a long time. I tore up my party card the year that my state allowed you to choose to Primary with the party of your choice upon showing up to vote. I feel that though minor, that decision has been for the better, and they hear what I say, even if albeit to very small effect. I also can assure you that barring the Dems giving Joe Manchin a shot to be President, he will be following that demographic very closely.
I still personally vote very conservative, but have voted for the moderate or independents where it made better sense, all issues and the candidate considered. There are few, but some moderate D's left in what used to be a solid blue area here (rather than choose a RINO).
Hopefully this helps. I have no love for those in category 1.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

LIEberals/DEMONcrats not only are not welcome in my 'circle', they are also not welcome in my house.

Simple as that.

 

[hlee]

Independents are any voters that don’t vote straight party by checking the D or R at the top of the page. Also, any registered voter that does not specify a party when they register.

It’s trendy to say “I’m an independent voter.” In high-school government, we had a class project where every student was assigned a state, and each became a rep for that state in our mock congress. There were something like 30 students in the class. 28 independents, one R, and one D. Ironically, the independents were allowed to elect the speaker of the house, because they had the majority. Even more ironic, they voted as a block in every vote. Possibly most ironic of all, the D was more of a ‘conservative’ than any of the Is. In fact, they should have been termed The People’s Democratic Republican Socialist Labor Party, but I digress…

 

[OldSalty2]

Independents (not so much different than libertarians) want you to believe they are wiser and smarter than you. They want others to think they aren't tied to a specific party or set of ideals and are above single issue politics. However, the polarizing aspects of our politics make it impossible to not gravitate to single issue voting. Stoking the fire of fear, anger and sensationalization of extreme viewpoints...list goes on and on.

Think of most Independents as akin to political virtual signaling, when deep down its nothing other than to create an outward facade of pseudo-enlightenment.

I am registered Independent, but learned a long-long time ago who aligns best to my personal held beliefs and ideals.

 

[W54/XM-388]

This is just a rant and something that has bewildered me for a while now. Who the fuck are these so-called "independent voters"? I've never met one. And I cannot fathom the mentality of these people. To me, they stand for nothing, blow with the political winds, and are easily swayed. I guess it's because I'm a die-hard conservative and have been since I was old enough to realize what politics is. I've always realized that liberals/leftists, and now all Democrats, are the antithesis of everything I stand for and believe. I would sooner be drawn and quartered than ever consider voting for one. Yet their are apparently people that are willing to vote for a conservative in one election, and be swayed to vote for a liberal the next time. And these wishy-washy people are the ones that decide our elections? I don't get it

Here's a true story that explains exactly what an "Independent" is.

I'm in line for voting at the primaries, the person ahead of me is many shades darker skin than I am, they (looks like they probably may identify as a male) seem reasonably intelligent.

The poll worker (old as the hills like all poll workers), asks them are you Democrat or Republican?

Said person in a righteous, better than everybody else, proud as all get out tone replies, "I'm an independent."

The old (I'm guessing identifies as a female) poll worker gives an exasperated sigh as they go ahead and assume the person's gender and use the gender specific prefix for feigned respectfulness, that really means "bless your heart," These are the Primaries, you have to pick the party you are wanting to choose candidates for.

The person is like, Oh, um, Democrat then, I always vote Democrat.

Pretty much the "Independents" are actually Democrats but they are all wanting attention and people to faun over them, so they pretend to be in the middle, just to get extra attention and such, when all along they are Demonrats.

Much like anytime a politician is labeled "independent" or "a maverick" you can bet your ass they are voting with the Democrat party for everything, unless they are pissy they didn't get their bribe that day.

 

[rtB]

The simplest way to describe it for me is - I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.

 

[Arc Light]

That’s very independent of you

True, but I would be voting for a true Conservative, just as I always have.

 

[OldSalty2]

The simplest way to describe it for me is - I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.

Sure, but given today's climate, is that really the case?

 

[Arc Light]

The simplest way to describe it for me is - I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.

I remember back when their were "conservative" Democrats. Today, they have been driven out by the ultra leftists that run the party. The only person I can think of in the national Democrat party that even comes close today is Joe Manchin. But he is still a liberal. He votes with senile Joe 99% of the time and votes to approve his ridiculous cabinet and judicial nominees. The other 49 Dem Senators and all the House Dems are straight up commie/leftists.

 

[MadDuner]

Here's a true story that explains exactly what an "Independent" is.

I'm in line for voting at the primaries, the person ahead of me is many shades darker skin than I am, they (looks like they probably may identify as a male) seem reasonably intelligent.

The poll worker (old as the hills like all poll workers), asks them are you Democrat or Republican?

Said person in a righteous, better than everybody else, proud as all get out tone replies, "I'm an independent."

The old (I'm guessing identifies as a female) poll worker gives an exasperated sigh as they go ahead and assume the person's gender and use the gender specific prefix for feigned respectfulness, that really means "bless your heart," These are the Primaries, you have to pick the party you are wanting to choose candidates for.

The person is like, Oh, um, Democrat then, I always vote Democrat.

Pretty much the "Independents" are actually Democrats but they are all wanting attention and people to faun over them, so they pretend to be in the middle, just to get extra attention and such, when all along they are Demonrats.

Much like anytime a politician is labeled "independent" or "a maverick" you can bet your ass they are voting with the Democrat party for everything, unless they are pissy they didn't get their bribe that day.

Anybody want to take any bets on how many “independents” will also proudly boast to be “vegan” as well?

They want some attention.

 

[OldSalty2]

Also, being independent allows a person to shape shift on different issues depending on who they are talking to and the subject of discussion. Instead of taking a stance one way or another. It's the epitome of "fence sitter" term that gets thrown around here all the time. Wishy washy is a form of survival these days due to the climate our leaders and media have thrust upon the masses.

 

[MadDuner]

Also, being independent allows a person to shape shift on different issues depending on who they are talking to and the subject of discussion. Instead of taking a stance one way or another. It's the epitome of "fence sitter" term that gets thrown around here all the time. Wishy washy is a form of survival these days due to the climate our leaders and media have thrust upon the masses.

So they politically self identify as “gray man”?

 

[OldSalty2]

So they politically self identify as “gray man”?

I'd say that's somewhat accurate just without the underlying hint of nobility.

 

[babyguppy]

The simplest way to describe it for me is - I don't vote for parties, I vote for people.

But unfortunately, those 'people' vote party lines 99.99% of the time

 

[FWoo45]

I stopped registering as a Republican once they got on board with impeaching my President. I think President Trump should move aside now and not risk further dividing conservatives, but I voted for him twice and he was my President. Those fuckers ran him through the wringer and did everything they could to keep the status quo. I vote for the most conservative candidates possible. In kali, my vote on anything beyond the city council is largely symbolic so might as well vote how I want vs the “lesser of two evils” or “most conservative that can win.”

 

[rtB]

Sure, but given today's climate, is that really the case?

Sure. I -try- to look at the individual and where they stand on stuff, what they've done, background etc. I haven't given any money to a party in a long time. Only specific people. Not that I spend much time looking at Democrat/leftists, and I haven't voted for a Democrat since I voted for Obama twice (fucking kidding, sheesh).

The toughest part now is basically every single politician is a Liar. You don't get the big bucks to run a competitive campaign unless you're sold out to someone.

 

[cas6969]

Most of the independent voters I know did so because they were sick of party bullshit, sick of their party constantly giving in and going along with the other party.

Then next election cycles when the primaries came along, and they went to vote in the primary and found out they couldn't, most of them switched back to their original party.

 

[OldSalty2]

Sure. I -try- to look at the individual and where they stand on stuff, what they've done, background etc. I haven't given any money to a party in a long time. Only specific people. Not that I spend much time looking at Democrat/leftists, and I haven't voted for a Democrat since I voted for Obama twice (fucking kidding, sheesh).

The toughest part now is basically every single politician is a Liar. You don't get the big bucks to run a competitive campaign unless you're sold out to someone.

I'd argue those days are long gone. At this point the democratic party has been hijacked by the radical left.

 

[TexPatriot]

I've never voted Independent because I always thought it was a waste of time, gas and a vote but I'd vote Independent if Trump were to run as an Independent in '24.

Whatever it takes to MAGA.

 

[vh20]

This is just a rant and something that has bewildered me for a while now. Who the fuck are these so-called "independent voters"? I've never met one. And I cannot fathom the mentality of these people. To me, they stand for nothing, blow with the political winds, and are easily swayed. I guess it's because I'm a die-hard conservative and have been since I was old enough to realize what politics is. I've always realized that liberals/leftists, and now all Democrats, are the antithesis of everything I stand for and believe. I would sooner be drawn and quartered than ever consider voting for one. Yet their are apparently people that are willing to vote for a conservative in one election, and be swayed to vote for a liberal the next time. And these wishy-washy people are the ones that decide our elections? I don't get it

Here's a true story that explains exactly what an "Independent" is.

I'm in line for voting at the primaries, the person ahead of me is many shades darker skin than I am, they (looks like they probably may identify as a male) seem reasonably intelligent.

The poll worker (old as the hills like all poll workers), asks them are you Democrat or Republican?

Said person in a righteous, better than everybody else, proud as all get out tone replies, "I'm an independent."

The old (I'm guessing identifies as a female) poll worker gives an exasperated sigh as they go ahead and assume the person's gender and use the gender specific prefix for feigned respectfulness, that really means "bless your heart," These are the Primaries, you have to pick the party you are wanting to choose candidates for.

The person is like, Oh, um, Democrat then, I always vote Democrat.

Pretty much the "Independents" are actually Democrats but they are all wanting attention and people to faun over them, so they pretend to be in the middle, just to get extra attention and such, when all along they are Demonrats.

Much like anytime a politician is labeled "independent" or "a maverick" you can bet your ass they are voting with the Democrat party for everything, unless they are pissy they didn't get their bribe that day.

Put these two posts together into one and you have summed up Rush Limbaugh’s assessment of the “Independent voter”.

 

[diverdon]

I know a few self identified Independents. They tend to be people attuned to see the hypocrisy of most leaders and feel that none of them are intitled to unqualified support. They also enjoy puncturing the windbags among true believers of any stripe. They believe that only by being uncommitted do they have a chance to sway outcomes. They also tend to be of the school of thought that all political leaders are mistakes but that the American system is robust enough to survive bad leaders. They accept where we are as a fair compromise. They have no Utopian ideal, they never ask what things could be like in a more ideal system. They underrate the threats to their freedom and prosperity. They do not usually own guns they've bought, but if they've inherited guns they keep them.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

“Easily swayed” bro. There’s the key phrase. Easily fckn swayed. Every person I meet who I find out to be easily swayed on anything, I get the immediate urge to challenge them to a fight to the death. Fuck them.
If I could vote for Genghis fckn Khan, I would. I don’t think I could go any further right wing than I currently am(true actual Old Testament medieval shit type right wing, not Nazi fake right wing).

 

[wade2big]

This is just a rant and something that has bewildered me for a while now. Who the fuck are these so-called "independent voters"? I've never met one. And I cannot fathom the mentality of these people. To me, they stand for nothing, blow with the political winds, and are easily swayed. I guess it's because I'm a die-hard conservative and have been since I was old enough to realize what politics is. I've always realized that liberals/leftists, and now all Democrats, are the antithesis of everything I stand for and believe. I would sooner be drawn and quartered than ever consider voting for one. Yet their are apparently people that are willing to vote for a conservative in one election, and be swayed to vote for a liberal the next time. And these wishy-washy people are the ones that decide our elections? I don't get it

If you are a die hard conservative then why do you vote Republican? I feel the same way you do about independents and democrats except I include republicans in there as well. At this point nobody that votes for “D” or “R” has the moral high ground. Both parties sold this country out yet people still support them. I was just as gullible/insane as the rest of you until recently.

 

[Maser]

 

[wade2big]

“Easily swayed” bro. There’s the key phrase. Easily fckn swayed. Every person I meet who I find out to be easily swayed on anything, I get the immediate urge to challenge them to a fight to the death. Fuck them.
If I could vote for Genghis fckn Khan, I would. I don’t think I could go any further right wing than I currently am(true actual Old Testament medieval shit type right wing, not Nazi fake right wing).

Far right is no government control/regulation and all individual freedom/liberty/choice. Anarchy. Libertarians are actually much further right than all but a few that post on the hide.

 

[Conaso]

Similarities and Differences between Leftwing and Rightwing Radicals

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[Srgt. Hulka]

I'm a registered Independent, but only because, when I registered to vote, I didn't know much about politics. I did know, however, that I didn't want Peanut Head Carter for my President again, so I voted Regan.

However, the independents that you are referring to, are the candidates that have the flashiest smile and the best hair on election day. The uninformed people who don't care to do their own thinking and research, but only vote for who may be the most popular at the time.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Far right is no government control/regulation and all individual freedom/liberty/choice. Anarchy. Libertarians are actually much further right than all but a few that post on the hide.

Eh.. maybe I ain’t not that far but close. Abolish all government, police, etc. local governments only. Policing is carried out by rural self defense groups like the Michoacán autodefensas. We can come together in times of war but otherwise every local government is separate and equal.
And all the military’s nuclear weapons are distributed to citizens. The founding giants of America intended for us to be able to nuke DC at will every time they got tyrant-ish.
And Abe Lincoln married a woman that was batshit crazy, Jeff Davis’ wife was a pearl. So what does that tell you

 

[wade2big]

Eh.. maybe I ain’t not that far but close. Abolish all government, police, etc. local governments only. Policing is carried out by rural self defense groups like the Michoacán autodefensas. We can come together in times of war but otherwise every local government is separate and equal.
And all the military’s nuclear weapons are distributed to citizens.

I’m liking what you are throwing down. Every election takes us further and further away from anything resembling this and closer to the authoritarian hell hole. Both parties are taking us there and yet people are blaming independents in this thread. Maybe a look in the mirror.....

 

[hlee]

Here's a true story that explains exactly what an "Independent" is.

I'm in line for voting at the primaries, the person ahead of me is many shades darker skin than I am, they (looks like they probably may identify as a male) seem reasonably intelligent.

The poll worker (old as the hills like all poll workers), asks them are you Democrat or Republican?

Said person in a righteous, better than everybody else, proud as all get out tone replies, "I'm an independent."

The old (I'm guessing identifies as a female) poll worker gives an exasperated sigh as they go ahead and assume the person's gender and use the gender specific prefix for feigned respectfulness, that really means "bless your heart," These are the Primaries, you have to pick the party you are wanting to choose candidates for.

The person is like, Oh, um, Democrat then, I always vote Democrat.

Pretty much the "Independents" are actually Democrats but they are all wanting attention and people to faun over them, so they pretend to be in the middle, just to get extra attention and such, when all along they are Demonrats.

Much like anytime a politician is labeled "independent" or "a maverick" you can bet your ass they are voting with the Democrat party for everything, unless they are pissy they didn't get their bribe that day.

“Independent, but Caucasus with the dems.” Every damned one.

 

[Arc Light]

If you are a die hard conservative then why do you vote Republican? I feel the same way you do about independents and democrats except I include republicans in there as well. At this point nobody that votes for “D” or “R” has the moral high ground. Both parties sold this country out yet people still support them. I was just as gullible/insane as the rest of you until recently.

Trust me, until Trump and the MAGA movement came along I was just as disillusioned with the Repubs. I understand Trump didn't get enough done. But the man never had a chance. From day 1 Dems and 99% of Repubs were out to make sure he failed. Then they stoled the election from him. If he started a 3rd party I bet a great majority of Republican voters would be on board. Especially if another RINO gets the nomination.

 

[hlee]

Trust me, until Trump and the MAGA movement came along I was just as disillusioned with the Repubs. I understand Trump didn't get enough done. But the man never had a chance. From day 1 Dems and 99% of Repubs were out to make sure he failed. Then they stoled the election from him. If he started a 3rd party I bet a great majority of Republican voters would be on board. Especially if another RINO gets the nomination.

Yeah, he could call it the bull moose party. Nevah been done befo…

 

[wade2big]

Trust me, until Trump and the MAGA movement came along I was just as disillusioned with the Repubs. I understand Trump didn't get enough done. But the man never had a chance. From day 1 Dems and 99% of Repubs were out to make sure he failed. Then they stoled the election from him. If he started a 3rd party I bet a great majority of Republican voters would be on board. Especially if another RINO gets the nomination.

I would rather Trump run as a third party candidate, win or lose. Both the dem and rep parties need to die out.

 

[gigamortis]

I'm a registered independent and vote for the most conservative candidate. Classifying as independent keeps the machine guessing. If its between a RINO and a demonrat, I'll write in someone truly conservative.

 

[Conaso]

“Independent, but Caucasus with the dems.” Every damned one.

Maybe because the Republicans didn't want any thing to do with them unless they agreed and voted with them 100%?

 

[ssc45]

Perhaps I can answer the question. Myself and many of the folks I know are very conservative and have never voted for a democrat. We have all "been" registered republicans. We recognize that D's are generally anti conservative policy. However, the R party has become nothing more than the Rhino party. They did their best to help torpedo the citizens President. Recall all the BS that came from "our" party when Trump was running and and after he was elected. We began to dislike the Rhinos more than the D's.

At least we knew where the D's stood and we were opposed to them and still are. We will continue to vote R, but I hate it when I have to hold my nose and turn my head away in order to vote for a rhino like Romney. After the rhinos helped pass the infrastructure bill, the gun control bill and keep giving $$$$$ to the Ukraine with no accountability, we all said enough and changed to independent.

Our values have not changed and we will continue to vote R, even when it is to oppose a D and or vote for the least of the 2 evils. The true conservative R party has left us, not the other way around.

The bottom line is that most politicians are nothing more than 2 sides of the same coin. They go behind the curtain and laugh and make deals that only line their own pockets and those that own them. Then they come out from behind the curtain and put on their fake war face and talk smack on the other party/candidate etc. The simple truth is that they will do whatever makes themselves and their partners the most money--even though they are trashing our rights.

I will never vote D, but am getting disgusted voting R. I will continue to do it, but the powers that be are not our friends. I decided that I didn't want to be a registered R due to the rhino idiots. In conclusion, I am a hard core supporter of the 2nd amendment. But don't ever think the "gun industry" supports the 2nd. If in doubt, do the research to see how the worse gun control act was passed. The 68 gun control act. Also, you should have seen the number of gun industry folks who were extremely pissed off that Hillary lost. The 2017 SHOT show was a real eye opener.

Cheers, Steve

 

[Maser]

I'm a registered independent and vote for the most conservative candidate. Classifying as independent keeps the machine guessing. If its between a RINO and a demonrat, I'll write in someone truly conservative.

If I believed in voting, I'd always write in Calvin Coolidge when I voted.

 

[Greasly]

Arizona

Voter Registration Statistics - April 2022*​

PARTY NAME	REGISTERED VOTERS	PERCENT
Republican	1,478,781	34.47%
Democratic	1,334,001	31.09%
Other	1,442,813	33.63%
Libertarian	34,753	0.81%
Total	4,290,348

*Voter registration statistics are calculated as prescribed by A.R.S. § 16-168(G)

 

[Conaso]

I would rather Trump run as a third party candidate, win or lose. Both the dem and rep parties need to die out.

I think you have the right idea.

NO COMPROMISE, NO SURRENDER, NO PRISONERS, ONLY WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR PARTY.

The far-left splits from the Democrats, we can call the Anarchists. And the far-right splits from the Republicans, we'll call them Intransigents. Maybe best if those two groups pick their own but have to change them every four years. Everone else will be called Autonomous, but the other four parties get to each pick a name for them that'll be hyphenated. All others are outlawed.

In the primaries a voter can vote only for candidates within their party.

Since elections are always stolen and districts gerrymandered, they'll flip every year to the opposition parties.

Voting for party candidates will be weighted preference/preferential voting.

It'll be great! Like it is now, nothing will get done. Oh, let's make all politicians restricted to one term and automatically pardoned. That way no one can say a Governor or President was crooked, self-serving, or donor-centric.

Now for Congress...

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

But don't ever think the "gun industry" supports the 2nd. If in doubt, do the research to see how the worse gun control act was passed. The 68 gun control act. Also, you should have seen the number of gun industry folks who were extremely pissed off that Hillary lost. The 2017 SHOT show was a real eye opener.

Cheers, Steve

Whaat?! What’s the reasoning behind wanting Rodham to win??

 

[W54/XM-388]

Also, you should have seen the number of gun industry folks who were extremely pissed off that Hillary lost. The 2017 SHOT show was a real eye opener.

Cheers, Steve

Because they were a bunch of short sighted greedy fools who were willing to destroy freedom for the next generation in order to get windfall profits now so they could laugh all the way to the bank after destroying everything. (much like normal CEOs)

They were expecting Hillary to win and go after guns and they would make windfall profits while it lasted.
Then Trump came and their greedy plans fell through.
The funny thing is the pandemic thing brought about the opportunity for windfall profits like they had lusted after, but they were too stupid and too all in on lockdowns and vaxx mandates in order to suck government cock, that they missed out on that one too.

Much like the greatest lobby against getting rid of the Hughes amendment is the greedy MG dealers who want it all for themselves and would prefer profits over freedom for others.