NOwI see why everyone else here thinks youre an idiot. They're right.
India vs Pakistan
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I’ve got some Indian friends ,ones a US citizen now , her Son came over and had a work permit visa. He worked at a 7-11 in Houston selling beer and slurpees. He lasted for 1 month , the store was robbed 5 times.
He said fuck it , too dangerous here. Went back to India !
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...India calling on BRICS-partner Iran to help de-escalate the situation.
INS Vikrant, one of their two aircraft carriers (the domestically produced one, lol) is heading back to port at full steam before Pakistan sends it to Davey Jones' Locker.
Fun Fact: Their other aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, is an old Soviet ship from 1987. Provided, of course by the same Rooskie animals currently on a mission to fertiliZe Western Ukraine. The deal came with 12 x MiG-29s too!
INS Vikrant, one of their two aircraft carriers (the domestically produced one, lol) is heading back to port at full steam before Pakistan sends it to Davey Jones' Locker.
Fun Fact: Their other aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, is an old Soviet ship from 1987. Provided, of course by the same Rooskie animals currently on a mission to fertiliZe Western Ukraine. The deal came with 12 x MiG-29s too!
So what you are saying is the Indians currently have better and more aircraft carriers that the Russians?
An conflict between India & Pakistan would be pretty convenient for the CHICOMs.
Pakistan's Defense Chief Warns Military Incursion By India Is 'Imminent' | ZeroHedge
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This has potential to get interesting
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This has potential to get interesting
Pakistan was part of the Baghdad Pact on 1955, so the bumbling State Dept weenies sided with Pakistan instead of India, who was not part of Baghdad Pact. India saw it as a threat to them, and leaned towards the Soviets for weapons sales. It was one of the biggest foreign policy failures of the US, along with losing the Shah in Iran and the takeover by the Ayatollah and Mullahs.
Pakistan is not a legitimate nation. They are Indians who were converted by the sword from demonic Muslim sultans who flowed in centuries ago and beheaded any of their ancestors who insisted on maintaining their local Hindu faith. They are West India and really need de-muslimification.
After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the knee-jerking US State Dept and CIA used Pakistan as a base in the FATAs to train and launch operations with the Mujahideen against the Soviets through the mountains. The billions of dollars provided by the US and Saudi Arabia went into Pakistani ISI coffers though, and the Mujahideen never saw a dime of that money. It’s why Bin Laden started going around to wealthy Arab and Muslim donors begging for assistance for the Mujahideen in the 1980s. CIA sourced weapons from different international sources, starting with British0-suggested arms networks filled with ancient weapons by 1980s standards, then when the Charlie Wilson influence came in during the mid-1980s, that shifted to more modern systems like MANPADS, AKs, etc.
I have always felt the US-Pakistani alliance made no sense at all, other than temporary convenience for geographic positioning.
China and India hate each other in ways Westerners can’t understand, and resort to insults about toilets, flooding, and subhuman contempt for each other.
India and Pakistan had a little air battle back in Feb 2019. Resulted in multiple BVR Missile exchanges, bombings, and at least one Indian MiG-21 Bison shot down.
Pakistan lied about not using F-16s, because they weren’t allowed to station them close to the border by US FMS sales conditions (we didn’t want to see destabilization in the region).
Pakistan originally stated they were only flying JF-17s and successfully used the JF-17 to shoot down an Indian Air Force Mig, not F-16s.
When Indians posted the photos of the recovered missile bodies that had landed in India, you could literally read the contract/production codes on them, easily identifying them as AIM-120C5 AMRAAMs sold to Pakistan under FMS from Bush43 Admin.
The only fighters in the Pakistani Air Force that have AIM-120C5 integration are F-16AMs and F-16C/D.
Here’s the MiG-21 wreckage that was shot down.
Many years later, Pakistan accidentally exposed their own lie with a photo of the F-16AM with the Indian Air Force MiG-21 shoot-down recorded on its nose:
Pakistan lied about not using F-16s, because they weren’t allowed to station them close to the border by US FMS sales conditions (we didn’t want to see destabilization in the region).
Pakistan originally stated they were only flying JF-17s and successfully used the JF-17 to shoot down an Indian Air Force Mig, not F-16s.
When Indians posted the photos of the recovered missile bodies that had landed in India, you could literally read the contract/production codes on them, easily identifying them as AIM-120C5 AMRAAMs sold to Pakistan under FMS from Bush43 Admin.
The only fighters in the Pakistani Air Force that have AIM-120C5 integration are F-16AMs and F-16C/D.
Here’s the MiG-21 wreckage that was shot down.
Many years later, Pakistan accidentally exposed their own lie with a photo of the F-16AM with the Indian Air Force MiG-21 shoot-down recorded on its nose:
you're right and that is 1 of the several reasons i don't give s shit if Putin went to the channel tomorrow. maybe the new empire lasts,likely not. protecting Europe from USSR was a big scam for the benefit of our MIC and Europe's socialist programs. defense was free.
if America had any faith in it's capitalist economic system,just letting the USSR have it would probably collapsed them in 30 yr instead of 60.
actually see the same in VN and China. they had to go away from total state control like Russia had in order to survive. the mess in No.K should be proof to any leader that some form of private enterprise is needed to survive. actually Lenin and Stalin both had to back off temporarily. it worked temporarily back then. but Stalin,Lenin.....
political system is a dif matter,related but different. of course i,at least,care nothing what some other country's politics are like. ignore them and maintain a strong DEFENSE.
it would help if our politicians and bureaucrats were not all corrupt,criminal money grubbers.
yea the partition was a blood bath. a lot of it due to the usual British FUs. got a mess started in Bangladesh too. i never quite got that split with mussies on both sides of India,not that it should matter to us. yea Indians hate Chinese. worked with a girl who was Chinese from India. spoke English,Hindi and Mandarin. her father left China in a big hurry when Mao took over. apparently many,many Chinese did the same in '49 and after when they still could leave. like VN in early/mid 70s.
Your facts are right, but your feels are down-the-line incorrect.
India is our Enemy, and has been for a long time. They saddled up with the Commies a looooong time ago, and have never stopped working to try to destroy America. They needed no "push" for this.
Pakistan and India are both "legitimate" nations. India just refused to get on board with wudu 5 x a day
.Indians are colonial leftovers with a backward culture that rewards Evil. Pakistan is strong and independent. Pakistan has been a friend to us many times over the years- but they are by no means our puppet.
The Gulf Arabs gave money too- but Bin Laden wanted men from them to go fight. The Gulf Terror Kingdoms are rich in Cash and poor in Men, though... and for some reason we fight against other warrior cultures who share our core values and do the bidding of the weak and soft handed nations of the world.
China and India "hate each other" sooooo much that they formed a powerful alliance to destroy the Dollar and wreck the United States economy. lol
The most "hate" they have ever shown each other was a snowball fight in the Himalayas a few years back. They both want you enslaved, and they want to see your children starve. The Rooskie Animals are in on it too. And many others!
Maybe the Westerners who "can't understand" that are just dumb? Or they want to destroy the United States themselves, and feel like they can get a little help from the Viveks?
The US Pakistani alliance is STRONG, and soon India will face a reckoning in which they will reap CENTURIES of bad Karma, all at once.
But anyway... that's good for them, right? Maybe they can come back to life as a celebrity's pet dog or something.
I'm saying it's going to be pretty funny for the pilot hooked up to the catapult when Vivek-on-the-Deck presses LAUNCH and finds out it's just a clicky-button wired to nothing because Sergei left the shipyard early to go find some heroin on some dreary autumn Thursday in 1982.
You sometimes don't know if something is actually real or they are just having a Monty Python day at the base.
Pakistani ISI was used as a laundering mechanism for the 9/11 hijackers, and the former Pakistani ISI General came to the US in-advance so he could have a front-row seat to watch “The Big Event”.
Pakistan has never been a good friend to the US. They just happen to sit on terrain that was convenient for occasional US foreign policy blunders, and manipulated their position to acquire advanced aerospace systems from the US in the process.
As soon as we sold them the first batch of F-16A/Bs in the 1980s with Peace Gate I (1981-1983), they illegally converted them for delivering nuclear weapons, which escalated tensions in the region with India.
Pakistani ISI paid millions into the 1980s Clinton bank accounts in Chiasso Switzerland, along with every other dirtbag regime at the time to avoid the NSA’s monitoring of their financing of Muslim terrorists and black market importation of precursor chemicals for the Afghan opium trade.
Pakistan has been a long-partner with China for strategic depth against India. The Chicom approach is to deviate India’s combat power away from Indo-Chicom skirmish lines, with the struggle over Kashmir and frequent border violations, resulting in multiple wars between India and Pakistan.
Throughout my life, I’ve watched Pakistan screw over the US and destabilize the region and world with their policies. In DoD, we never could figure out why they were considered an ally other than their position relative to Afghanistan in the 1980s, and later during GWOT for OEF.
Pakistan has never been a good friend to the US. They just happen to sit on terrain that was convenient for occasional US foreign policy blunders, and manipulated their position to acquire advanced aerospace systems from the US in the process.
As soon as we sold them the first batch of F-16A/Bs in the 1980s with Peace Gate I (1981-1983), they illegally converted them for delivering nuclear weapons, which escalated tensions in the region with India.
Pakistani ISI paid millions into the 1980s Clinton bank accounts in Chiasso Switzerland, along with every other dirtbag regime at the time to avoid the NSA’s monitoring of their financing of Muslim terrorists and black market importation of precursor chemicals for the Afghan opium trade.
Pakistan has been a long-partner with China for strategic depth against India. The Chicom approach is to deviate India’s combat power away from Indo-Chicom skirmish lines, with the struggle over Kashmir and frequent border violations, resulting in multiple wars between India and Pakistan.
Throughout my life, I’ve watched Pakistan screw over the US and destabilize the region and world with their policies. In DoD, we never could figure out why they were considered an ally other than their position relative to Afghanistan in the 1980s, and later during GWOT for OEF.
Hoping both turn each other into glass, while taking Turkey with them,...
Pakistan held a military technological advantage because we sold them F-16AM OCU upgrades with AIFF and AIM-120 integration, as well as F-16C/D Block 52s which have that as standard equipment.
They are able to engage Indian AF Su-30MKIs at BVR with high hit probability if the Su-30 maintains course in the skirmish. In 2019, there was a lot of BVR missile evasion due to Situational Awareness provided by AWACs and more modern threat warning systems. India has had Israel integrate better EW systems for them.
India is trying to shift that balance by acquiring the Dassault Rafale, which have an Electronically-Scanned Array Radar, though the aperture size/radome is pretty small. Dassault has only been manufacturing Rafales at a rate of 1-2 airframes per month, and India is one of many customers after priority goes to French Air Force.
One trend I’ve seen with these primitive peoples once they get a bigger stick than their neighbor is they immediately want to flex on their rival with a little conflict. We’ve seen it with Indians and Pakis, Greeks vs Turks, and Israelis vs Arabs.
So based on the types of weapons flowing into India right now, I expect them to escalate on Pakistan soon. They are still figuring out how to employ Rafales, as they are a heavy Su-30MKI Russian-based system with monkey-model RVV-AE “Amraamski" imitations with reduced capabilities over Russian VVS R77-2s.
It takes about 3 years to get a pilot to a baseline level in modern fighters like the Rafale though, and whatever a pilot has learned from the Su-30MKI will mostly be bad habits going into the better-designed French Man Machine Interface cockpit and better weapons.
They are able to engage Indian AF Su-30MKIs at BVR with high hit probability if the Su-30 maintains course in the skirmish. In 2019, there was a lot of BVR missile evasion due to Situational Awareness provided by AWACs and more modern threat warning systems. India has had Israel integrate better EW systems for them.
India is trying to shift that balance by acquiring the Dassault Rafale, which have an Electronically-Scanned Array Radar, though the aperture size/radome is pretty small. Dassault has only been manufacturing Rafales at a rate of 1-2 airframes per month, and India is one of many customers after priority goes to French Air Force.
One trend I’ve seen with these primitive peoples once they get a bigger stick than their neighbor is they immediately want to flex on their rival with a little conflict. We’ve seen it with Indians and Pakis, Greeks vs Turks, and Israelis vs Arabs.
So based on the types of weapons flowing into India right now, I expect them to escalate on Pakistan soon. They are still figuring out how to employ Rafales, as they are a heavy Su-30MKI Russian-based system with monkey-model RVV-AE “Amraamski" imitations with reduced capabilities over Russian VVS R77-2s.
It takes about 3 years to get a pilot to a baseline level in modern fighters like the Rafale though, and whatever a pilot has learned from the Su-30MKI will mostly be bad habits going into the better-designed French Man Machine Interface cockpit and better weapons.
No matter how good they think their balance and skill level is, one simple projo, caltrop or #9 wire placed properly, would prove they are still human. Just think what cracking the lid on their canned sunshine will do,... Nothing says F/U quicker that a 5-50 Meg ton love note,...
Remember in 2019 when India shot down their own helicopter then they both claimed and denied losses of F-16 a MiG-21 and a SU-30? Either side achieving nothing in the end.
I do.
I do.
Well, they both may think they have their victory plans assured...
But, to steal from Patton, who stole from Moltke who stole from Clausewitz, who probably stole from Sun Tzu... who probably stole it from some Egyptian... : "No plan survives after the first shot." Hey, at least I am citing who I stole from!
If this thing kicks off as a land war, think Iran Iraq war with huge human wave and infantry attacks once the 'tech weapons' are expended.
If it start with with popping a nuke... (and Pakistan, based on the religion of peace) has a "First Use" policy that they are willing to use their nukes in a first strike against a nuclear-armed enemy. And their government is unstable enough to do it...
Well, if that happens, we'll be witness to some real history! And carnage like never seen before. Both have a lot of cannon fodder as both have some 60 percent of their population under 30. For India this means some 400,000,000 men. For Pakistan it's about 80 million men under 30. Pakistan can't stand that kind of overmatch in a ground slug-out. So bring on the nukes.
And since neither has really accurate nukes and a tactical exchange is not going to be helpful.... The Populations in Indian and Pakistan's major cities probably become the targets:
Pakistan:
India:
^^^ And there are a dozen more in India with populations between 5 million and 2 million...
If things go nuclear, the whole 'living will envy the dead' scenario will be very real. Since there will be no resources or care or medicine... that can deal with the aftermath on those scales. Not in the whole world put together. Nothing anyone will be able to do except to watch and wail... and assign blame.
And if they do go nuclear, the "Blame Trump" freak show will turn up to 11... blaming him for the war. And saying it is all USA's fault. The Muzzies will rally around Pakistan even if they fire first.
Best thing that can happen if they "Release the hounds" is that the world quarantines them both and says... "Your mess, you clean it up." And doesn't give either side one cent for recovery. Not that there enough resources. Though I am sure CBS News will be on the ground with reporters in lead suits crying... and Doctors Without Borders (or scruples) will irradiate a few socialist MD's to try and make a point.
Both of them are playing a really, really dangerous game of FAFO. But if there is 'going' to be a nuclear war eventually, having two minor powers (in relative terms) go at it in an isolated area (in relative terms) may wake folks up to stop with the FAFO shit. Before two countries that 'matter' think it's a good idea.
Not that we will as a human race. Because it's what we do. And, remember, the Paks may be the 'religion of peace' and committed to a first use policy. But the Indians have a long view of history being about destruction and rebirth... and accepting destruction and its aftermath is in their DNA, too. Plus they have a billion plus pieces of cannon fodder. And might also be crazy and Xenophobic enough to go for a preemptive strike.
Well, on the bright side, together they don't have enough megatons to create global armageddon. That is unless Pakistan decides that they will pop one in Haifa Harbor using some ready-to-be-dismantled cargo ship from Alang... to try and bring in the rest of the Arabs on their side. That would get ugly real fast. Or if China invaded South and West... Or if Putin used the excuse to grab back some 'Stans.
Scenario generation is always interesting, isn't it? Lots of ways things can go. And I am sure that in ThinkTanks and General Staff HQ's they are doing exactly these same brain games... Which will come up with all kinds of great scenarios that will be totally valiid.
Until the first shot is fired.
Buy more ammo! And stock up on Basmati rice if you are so inclined. And don't have any problems with electronics that require a call center. Because, well, pressing 1 for English may well get you someone in Kansas, soon. Not Rawnalpindi!
Wonder how long it takes to rebuild car parts and cheap electronics industries back in the USA? Because getting Range Rover and tractor parts may get kind of tough for a while. Aren't you glad you have a Mahindra now?
Sirhr
But, to steal from Patton, who stole from Moltke who stole from Clausewitz, who probably stole from Sun Tzu... who probably stole it from some Egyptian... : "No plan survives after the first shot." Hey, at least I am citing who I stole from!
If this thing kicks off as a land war, think Iran Iraq war with huge human wave and infantry attacks once the 'tech weapons' are expended.
If it start with with popping a nuke... (and Pakistan, based on the religion of peace) has a "First Use" policy that they are willing to use their nukes in a first strike against a nuclear-armed enemy. And their government is unstable enough to do it...
Well, if that happens, we'll be witness to some real history! And carnage like never seen before. Both have a lot of cannon fodder as both have some 60 percent of their population under 30. For India this means some 400,000,000 men. For Pakistan it's about 80 million men under 30. Pakistan can't stand that kind of overmatch in a ground slug-out. So bring on the nukes.
And since neither has really accurate nukes and a tactical exchange is not going to be helpful.... The Populations in Indian and Pakistan's major cities probably become the targets:
Pakistan:
| Kararachi | 18,868,021
| ||||||
| Lahore | 13,004,135
| ||||||
| Faisalabad | 3,691,999
| ||||||
| Rawalpindi | 3,357,612
| ||||||
| Gujranwala | 2,511,118
|
India:
^^^ And there are a dozen more in India with populations between 5 million and 2 million...
If things go nuclear, the whole 'living will envy the dead' scenario will be very real. Since there will be no resources or care or medicine... that can deal with the aftermath on those scales. Not in the whole world put together. Nothing anyone will be able to do except to watch and wail... and assign blame.
And if they do go nuclear, the "Blame Trump" freak show will turn up to 11... blaming him for the war. And saying it is all USA's fault. The Muzzies will rally around Pakistan even if they fire first.
Best thing that can happen if they "Release the hounds" is that the world quarantines them both and says... "Your mess, you clean it up." And doesn't give either side one cent for recovery. Not that there enough resources. Though I am sure CBS News will be on the ground with reporters in lead suits crying... and Doctors Without Borders (or scruples) will irradiate a few socialist MD's to try and make a point.
Both of them are playing a really, really dangerous game of FAFO. But if there is 'going' to be a nuclear war eventually, having two minor powers (in relative terms) go at it in an isolated area (in relative terms) may wake folks up to stop with the FAFO shit. Before two countries that 'matter' think it's a good idea.
Not that we will as a human race. Because it's what we do. And, remember, the Paks may be the 'religion of peace' and committed to a first use policy. But the Indians have a long view of history being about destruction and rebirth... and accepting destruction and its aftermath is in their DNA, too. Plus they have a billion plus pieces of cannon fodder. And might also be crazy and Xenophobic enough to go for a preemptive strike.
Well, on the bright side, together they don't have enough megatons to create global armageddon. That is unless Pakistan decides that they will pop one in Haifa Harbor using some ready-to-be-dismantled cargo ship from Alang... to try and bring in the rest of the Arabs on their side. That would get ugly real fast. Or if China invaded South and West... Or if Putin used the excuse to grab back some 'Stans.
Scenario generation is always interesting, isn't it? Lots of ways things can go. And I am sure that in ThinkTanks and General Staff HQ's they are doing exactly these same brain games... Which will come up with all kinds of great scenarios that will be totally valiid.
Until the first shot is fired.
Buy more ammo! And stock up on Basmati rice if you are so inclined. And don't have any problems with electronics that require a call center. Because, well, pressing 1 for English may well get you someone in Kansas, soon. Not Rawnalpindi!
Wonder how long it takes to rebuild car parts and cheap electronics industries back in the USA? Because getting Range Rover and tractor parts may get kind of tough for a while. Aren't you glad you have a Mahindra now?
Sirhr
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It will be Trump's fault.
This is specifically-exactly what happens when the American president initiates a rolling global surrender policy that gives our enemies space and comfort to stand up as he lays us down.
...and anyway, I think everyone is going to rally around Pakistan, no?
India is disgusting.
You balanced your statement with the second half... but this is overall backwards.
The Hindus believe in Kali Yuga (कलियुग), or the fourth and final age of the four-cycle Hindu "yuga system," often translated as "the age of Kali," "the age of strife," "the age of darkness," or "the age of vice". It is characterized by the decline of Dharma (righteousness and spiritual values), increased suffering, and the prevalence of negative qualities like conflict and deceit.
The end of Kali Yuga is marked by a catastrophic event and the re-establishment of Dharma, ushering in a new cycle of yugas. It is believed that Lord Kalki, the prophesied tenth incarnation of Vishnu, will usher in this new era.
The Pakistanis are rational actors and global operators... the Indians are trying to enrich themselves by stealing and committing moral atrocities (Decline of Dharma)... but don't worry, because it will trigger the end of the world and bring back their messiah.
Sound familiar?
I think I've heard that same sort of story from various Muslims and also it aligns with what the "elite" from a "certain Tribe" stated generations ago that they wanted to do something similar to make their own "ruler" the ruler of the earth.
Christianity has a different take on it it but still the basic event cycle is there.
I think pretty much the planet is being nicely gotten ready for where everybody wants to kick off the end of all things and plenty of actors are ready to help kick in their part for global apocalypse to bring about (insert whatever they want here)...
It will be Trump's fault.
This is specifically-exactly what happens when the American president initiates a rolling global surrender policy that gives our enemies space and comfort to stand up as he lays us down.
...and anyway, I think everyone is going to rally around Pakistan, no?
India is disgusting.
You balanced your statement with the second half... but this is overall backwards.
The Hindus believe in Kali Yuga (कलियुग), or the fourth and final age of the four-cycle Hindu "yuga system," often translated as "the age of Kali," "the age of strife," "the age of darkness," or "the age of vice". It is characterized by the decline of Dharma (righteousness and spiritual values), increased suffering, and the prevalence of negative qualities like conflict and deceit.
The end of Kali Yuga is marked by a catastrophic event and the re-establishment of Dharma, ushering in a new cycle of yugas. It is believed that Lord Kalki, the prophesied tenth incarnation of Vishnu, will usher in this new era.
The Pakistanis are rational actors and global operators... the Indians are trying to enrich themselves by stealing and committing moral atrocities (Decline of Dharma)... but don't worry, because it will trigger the end of the world and bring back their messiah.
Sound familiar?
It was Trump who de-escalate 2019 and kept it from becoming a conflict.
Four years of drooling moron in the White House and his group of globalist war mongers are the ones who have created the conditions. Trump‘s been at it for about 100 days. Look at the last four years and Obama‘s cuddling of Muslim bullshit and ask where it came from.
Then again, you probably think 9/11 was caused by bush, and not Clinton, who was too busy getting blown in the White House to worry about for an affairs and to dithering to deal with terrorists when we had them in the crosshairs.
Once again, I predicted that the blame Trump far left would go right to blame Trump. Nothing has even happened yet and here is the usual suspect blaming Trump.
Surprise surprise.
That is a small price to pay for ridding this rock of all those fucks.
I say arm both sides to the teeth, then instigate the fuck out of them both.
Should they smoke turkey as well that's a side benefit.
Zero fucks given across the board,...
It's a WORLD WAR, dummy.
Just because Trump wants to run and hide doesn't mean we're safe.
The opposite, actually...
won't help Bezos's biz for sure. if they go nuc (pretty likely as Pakistan can do a lot of conventional damage but no chance to win) that is likely them being mussie and all. if that happens,the get your iodine tabs. gonna be a lot of radioactive dust and the wind is still gonna blow. pretty likely some associated grid damage all over. loss of dig and elect i bet. wonder if China would make a move of some kind? not a + prospect anywhere.Well, they both may think they have their victory plans assured...
But, to steal from Patton, who stole from Moltke who stole from Clausewitz, who probably stole from Sun Tzu... who probably stole it from some Egyptian... : "No plan survives after the first shot." Hey, at least I am citing who I stole from!
If this thing kicks off as a land war, think Iran Iraq war with huge human wave and infantry attacks once the 'tech weapons' are expended.
If it start with with popping a nuke... (and Pakistan, based on the religion of peace) has a "First Use" policy that they are willing to use their nukes in a first strike against a nuclear-armed enemy. And their government is unstable enough to do it...
Well, if that happens, we'll be witness to some real history! And carnage like never seen before. Both have a lot of cannon fodder as both have some 60 percent of their population under 30. For India this means some 400,000,000 men. For Pakistan it's about 80 million men under 30. Pakistan can't stand that kind of overmatch in a ground slug-out. So bring on the nukes.
And since neither has really accurate nukes and a tactical exchange is not going to be helpful.... The Populations in Indian and Pakistan's major cities probably become the targets:
Pakistan:
Kararachi 18,868,021 (+26.49%)Lahore 13,004,135 (+16.88%)Faisalabad 3,691,999 (+15.20%)Rawalpindi 3,357,612 (+60.02%)Gujranwala 2,511,118 (+23.88%)
India:
^^^ And there are a dozen more in India with populations between 5 million and 2 million...
If things go nuclear, the whole 'living will envy the dead' scenario will be very real. Since there will be no resources or care or medicine... that can deal with the aftermath on those scales. Not in the whole world put together. Nothing anyone will be able to do except to watch and wail... and assign blame.
And if they do go nuclear, the "Blame Trump" freak show will turn up to 11... blaming him for the war. And saying it is all USA's fault. The Muzzies will rally around Pakistan even if they fire first.
Best thing that can happen if they "Release the hounds" is that the world quarantines them both and says... "Your mess, you clean it up." And doesn't give either side one cent for recovery. Not that there enough resources. Though I am sure CBS News will be on the ground with reporters in lead suits crying... and Doctors Without Borders (or scruples) will irradiate a few socialist MD's to try and make a point.
Both of them are playing a really, really dangerous game of FAFO. But if there is 'going' to be a nuclear war eventually, having two minor powers (in relative terms) go at it in an isolated area (in relative terms) may wake folks up to stop with the FAFO shit. Before two countries that 'matter' think it's a good idea.
Not that we will as a human race. Because it's what we do. And, remember, the Paks may be the 'religion of peace' and committed to a first use policy. But the Indians have a long view of history being about destruction and rebirth... and accepting destruction and its aftermath is in their DNA, too. Plus they have a billion plus pieces of cannon fodder. And might also be crazy and Xenophobic enough to go for a preemptive strike.
Well, on the bright side, together they don't have enough megatons to create global armageddon. That is unless Pakistan decides that they will pop one in Haifa Harbor using some ready-to-be-dismantled cargo ship from Alang... to try and bring in the rest of the Arabs on their side. That would get ugly real fast. Or if China invaded South and West... Or if Putin used the excuse to grab back some 'Stans.
Scenario generation is always interesting, isn't it? Lots of ways things can go. And I am sure that in ThinkTanks and General Staff HQ's they are doing exactly these same brain games... Which will come up with all kinds of great scenarios that will be totally valiid.
Until the first shot is fired.
Buy more ammo! And stock up on Basmati rice if you are so inclined. And don't have any problems with electronics that require a call center. Because, well, pressing 1 for English may well get you someone in Kansas, soon. Not Rawnalpindi!
Wonder how long it takes to rebuild car parts and cheap electronics industries back in the USA? Because getting Range Rover and tractor parts may get kind of tough for a while. Aren't you glad you have a Mahindra now?
Sirhr
