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#151
sirhrmechanic said:
It was Trump who de-escalate 2019 and kept it from becoming a conflict.
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Trump was busy with the 2018 Helsinki Surrender and the 2020 Doha Surrender, he didn't get that far before he lost to Biden... but I can assure you that if he remained in office, his "Trump Doctrine" of rolling surrender would have reached India and Pakistan much sooner than today.

As you correctly point out- it popped right up in his first 100 days since Biden left office.

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It was Trump who de-escalate 2019 and kept it from becoming a conflict.
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Then again, you probably think 9/11 was caused by bush, and not Clinton, who was too busy getting blown in the White House to worry about for an affairs and to dithering to deal with terrorists when we had them in the crosshairs.
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It's so amazing how facts and history seem to be completely BACKWARD in here...

Clinton bombed the shit out of al Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Sudan. Shitlbs like you were all like, "BOOOOO, why you bomb the Afghan Muj.... haven't you watched Rambo or Red Scorpion?!??"

Bush bent and twisted reality-itself to allow the Bin Laden family to escape on 9/12 and then inexplicably redirected our retaliation against the Gulf Terror Kingdoms into an extension of the Yinon Plan... thanks to the Clean Breakers- Wolfowitz, Wurmser, Frum, Feith, Rumsfeld, Perle....

You're not doing a good job of sounding like an American, Tovarisch. This wasn't very long ago.
 
#154
LeT is supported by the ISI. The Indians have known this for a LONG time but the indopak border is porous as hell. India’s got all kinds of internal problems, including the Maoists that never have been eradicated. Those fuckers will set up machine shops in the middle of jungles to make weapons and IEDs. Every time I was there no fewer than 5 Muslim extremist groups were active in my area, plus the Naxalites. All that to say that if this goes hot I expect that there are a lot of Islamic groups that will create even more chaos inside of India. All this will do in the short term is cause local Indians to kill Muslims and increase the Indians allegiance to the BJP and its India First goals. The RSS will come out in force to promote this, and all non-Hindus and non-Sikhs will suffer for it. If it continues into the Puja season, holy shit.
 
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yea,Indians are always GTG to kill Muslims. not a bad thing really. how would the Buddhists and Catholics fare? what might be the effect in this country,ESP universities and containing cities? eg Gainseville,FL. and UF are over run with dot heads and rag heads. maybe some hot action like Palestinian and Jewish disorder all over the university world. of course you got the huge #s of PLA spies throughout academia but don't think they would join in.
 
#156
mosin46 said:
yea,Indians are always GTG to kill Muslims. not a bad thing really. how would the Buddhists and Catholics fare? what might be the effect in this country,ESP universities and containing cities? eg Gainseville,FL. and UF are over run with dot heads and rag heads. maybe some hot action like Palestinian and Jewish disorder all over the university world. of course you got the huge #s of PLA spies throughout academia but don't think they would join in.
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Christians are being persecuted in India severely- beaten and killed, churches being torn down with little to no police action.

Buddhists are catching it hard too, but there is real animosity between the Muslims and Buddhists. Don’t believe everything you hear about Buddhists being super peaceful- there was a genocide on the Rohingya group in Myanmar and the Indian Mujahadeen went all FAFO and blew up part of the Bodh Gaya in Bihar (state in India). Then they did it when the Dali Lama was there after that, and that was the JMB out of Bangladesh. There are so many groups like that inside of India it’s hard to keep track of them all. They are only contributing to India’s lack of patience with the Paks.

To answer your question on universities, who knows. I have worked stateside with both Bangladeshis and Indians on the same teams. They work together OK, but they aint breaking bread after hours. I can say that I have never seen people treat each other as poorly as Indians do to each other.
 
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232593 said:

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I guess we’ll see
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It won't be the first time they have fought it out and it won't be the last time.
Folks forget both sides have had nukes for decades and neither side has used them.

If they do nuke each other it would probably be a plus for the USA and the west, so why worry about it.

Let them fight it out as they have done forever and such will be.
 
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MBS has massively changed the direction of Saudi mostly through murdering hard line clerics and murdering/imprisoning members of his own family who supported them. Certainly Saudi has a very long way to go to become civilized, but I see them on a similar trajectory to the UAE now. Maybe I'm foolish to hope, but for the first time in modern history there is reason to hope a little. MBS murdered/imprisoned/intimidated all the right people IMHO. You can say it's just because of hatred of Iran, but I think there is more to it, and he sees there is no future in exporting only oil and jihad.
 
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reminds of 10/7. responses won't be same,nuc/nuc. maybe india is really gonna attack-unclear at this time?
the Rion chick above says that this is likely a historic game changer. she COULD be right. if China has taken/is taking the big hit re tariffs that many claim,if Putin is pissed at China then Trump needs to move his ass and get out of Ukraine. start positive moves towards Russia. for myself,i don't believe that Russia is a problem that can't be dealt with in a peaceful,profitable and benign way. China is a real enemy. our elites have given them the keys to our house but that can be fixed with some hard,severe work. one can hope that the implosion claimed re China's economy is true then love to see a 3rd Chinese revolution.
 
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Emerson0311 said:
An energetic nuclear exchange would serve the interests of most elites all over the world. It sure would make difficult domestic issues become irrelevant to most smooth brain westerners.
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They don’t want their precursor chemicals and opium shipping affected by disruptions to Karachi. Remember the Eurofags have been bailing out their banks with Afghan opium billions for decades now. Hardly any of that money stays in Afghanistan, and everyone in the European banking sector wants a piece of it.

Karachi is critical for that whole industry, both in imports of precursors and exports of completed product.
 
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This has been going on since the partition in 1947.


While I agree with you that there's noting to recommend in Hinduism the worst and most Satanic elements of it (Thugee) were burned away under sustained the sustained fire of Enfield rifles. There are dozens of sects and an almost endless number of theologies. There is no overall thrust to spread, dominate, and enslave other peoples.

Islam on the other hand really only has one school of theology that comes in two different flavors that are basically the difference between Coke and Pepsi. Almost everything in wikipedia is a lie, and fringe sects/cults of the past that were labeled apostates and destroyed. On the central tenants and commands Sunni and Shea agree.

It is literally like living next to wild natives who are bred from birth to murder or enslave you. Islam has never enjoyed a peaceful border with anyone, because at it's core it is a martial and Satanic religion that teaches only Muslims are human beings.

It won't end till God ends it.

That isn't to say there aren't wonderful Muslim people, just as there are wretched and horrible Christians. We're all the same, but the beliefs, values, and teachings are certainly not equal, and not the same. There is objective truth.
 
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Fig said:
While I agree with you that there's noting to recommend in Hinduism the worst and most Satanic elements of it (Thugee) were burned away under sustained the sustained fire of Enfield rifles.
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"Thugee" were a fairytale to keep people from traveling or seeing "other" arrangements.

The fear among the elite was that if you took a vacation to visit your sick Grandma two towns over, you might find their slave life less oppressive than your slave life- and either not return, or come back demanding human rights.

...so they said if you traveled farther than you could make it back in the same day, a sneaky ninja would strangle you in your sleep using a scarf, and nobody would ever know what happened to you.

Fig said:
Islam on the other hand really only has one school of theology that comes in two different flavors...
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Once again- wrong about everything...

The range of beliefs among sects of Islam (both Sunni and Shia) are actually wider than the range of beliefs among sects of Christianity (both Catholic and Protestant).
 
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Your Wikipedia "knowledge" is showing. Yes, through the ages there were different theologies, but they have all been eliminated down to a handful of very private worshipers who would not dare go against the teachings of the Islamic states. Now there are different schools all with the same theology in every way that matters. Even the difference between Shia and Sunni is only meaningful in terms of certain practices and political successions, all of which doesn't concern a non Islamic neighbor who has to share a bloody border with them.

Apologize for them all you want, the problem in Islam IS the Koran and the Hadith, and what they teach. Nothing else but the words as written in "unalterable" form, which is why there has never been and never will be an Islamic reformation or reassessment of the surahs. Islam was created to dominate and control the earth, and that is exactly what it has tried to do for a thousand three hundred years.

Your opinion just like a Unitarian Universalist who takes the happy, merciful words of the Bible and just ignores the rest, which can be uncomfortable for even a Christian of strong faith. Any religion can only be considered in regards to it's most orthodox and fanatic elements. The rest is human social systems and politics laid ontop of it, but Islam is kind of an exception, because it isn't JUST a religion. It's also a political system, system of juris prudence that does not accept any difference between man's law and Allah's law.

Islamic countries are never multicultural, because Islam does not allow it. Once they are anything but a tiny minority they attack. They simply cannot "Coexist" when God commands they convert by the sword. Only on an island like Indonesia so they seem to no have territorial and slave designs on their neighbors who aren't Muslims.

I wonder how many Islamic countries you've been to, and how emersed in the culture you became to be such as expert? All of this did not and does not preclude me from having quite a few Muslim friends, who are good guys, but IMO they are all "bad" Muslims to a man.
 
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LRRPF52 said:
They don’t want their precursor chemicals and opium shipping affected by disruptions to Karachi. Remember the Eurofags have been bailing out their banks with Afghan opium billions for decades now. Hardly any of that money stays in Afghanistan, and everyone in the European banking sector wants a piece of it.

Karachi is critical for that whole industry, both in imports of precursors and exports of completed product.
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an interesting and likely valid take. i think the ball is in Modi's court. seems he is pretty rational. he is in a bit of a spot. has to keep forces in his east. there be China which is a friend of Pakistan. doubt China will make any moves. Xi has some problems at home. still gotta keep an eye on him. Bangladesh is always a potential problem for India and could be activated to cause trouble,which i think is likely. Pakistan can deny fomenting that. there is also a huge Muslim 3rd column throughout India that is always got to addressed and might start shit even without the word from it's pak intelligence handlers.
 
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Fig said:
Your Wikipedia "knowledge" is showing.
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Is that where you're getting this horse crap from? lol

You seem to not know anything at all about India... but you sure talk a lot about it.

Indian Hindus had TONS of religious prohibitions, laws, and straight up fairytales to prevent people from traveling, and therefore gaining knowledge of the world around them.

In addition to your thugee lore, there were whole seasons where travel was very much "not advisable" because this god had the upper hand over that god, or the reverse. They had a Hindu mariner fairytale that said never to go more than one port from home port or you would catch bad luck and wreck. They had weird restrictions imposed about directions of travel and papers/ stamps, etc...

Indian Muslims, on the other hand, had their roots in the Silk Road, and passed down knowledge of the world to their children. Not only were they permitted and encouraged to travel by their beliefs- they were REQUIRED to travel to make the Haj.

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...would not dare go against the teachings of the Islamic states.
...your opinion just like a Unitarian Universalist
...having quite a few Muslim friends, who are good guys, but IMO they are all "bad" Muslims to a man.
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Your ignorance is on full display.

The scale for Christians might run from a Southern Baptist Snake Handler to a Methodist in LA.

The same scale for Muslims goes from a Lebanese bartender to an Azerbaijani businessman to an Indonesian fisherman to a Saudi headchopper.

The vast majority of the Muslim world doesn't give a hoot what the Gulf Terror Kingdoms preach, and many would like to see them destroyed.

Me too.
 
#181
Almost all the Muslims I'm friends with would be killed as apostates in their own countries TODAY. One of my friends had family killed by Assad, fled here, and STILL supported the Syrian regime against "The Rebels". They call them "The Beards". Christians don't murder people for not being Christians (at least anymore), and every single country in the west is tolerant of other religions...big difference. You live in a fantasy land and probably have never been anywhere, especially the ME. You need to lay off the Wiki and get out more. It's a big, dangerous world, and lots of folks here have been to places people like you don't go on vacation...
 
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Fig said:
Christians don't murder people for not being Christians (at least anymore)
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DELISH DELISH DELISH

Now... why do you think ISIL killed those recruits at COB Speicher?

(the real reason)

They were all Muslims, right?

....and why did JSIL only intervene in the Syrian Civil War on the side of AQ/ JaN/ HTS/ ISIL to keep the lines of communication open and maintain a contiguous front?

Think.

Ask your "Muslim friends" if you need to, but don't embarrass yourself again. Maybe check your Wikipedia.
 
#185
LRRPF52 said:
They don’t want their precursor chemicals and opium shipping affected by disruptions to Karachi. Remember the Eurofags have been bailing out their banks with Afghan opium billions for decades now. Hardly any of that money stays in Afghanistan, and everyone in the European banking sector wants a piece of it.

Karachi is critical for that whole industry, both in imports of precursors and exports of completed product.
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40 years and still 1000 percent on point.



And before that it was the British East India Company…. And Iranian hash cults and African khat traders….

Sirhr
 
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lariat said:
Indian slant, but interesting on the Paks selling arms to Ukraine.

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might be. historically the Indian army is NOT a POS. Sikhs and Gurkhas are not candy asses. don't know about Pak abilities. don't know about nus parity. goat fuckers are likely to start that if they get pushed hard and are gonna lose.
i don't think it will go all out. Modi has a 2+ front problem. gotta watch China,sure to be shit from Bangladesh and millions of in country Muslims.
gonna be educational.
 
#191
sirhrmechanic said:
If nothing has kicked off yet, it’s probably a sign of cooler heads prevailing

India may well hit back at some point. But will be more surgical and deniable.

Seems like they both do this every few years…

Sirhr
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I subscribe to WION because they have a lot of the Middle Eastern and European News first, sometimes even our (US) news first. Since this started,every day they're reporting "Pakistan violates LOC ceasefire".
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India proper is pretty racist against the far eastern Indians. Even had to put out a law the banned the use of the words "chinky" a while back. Still dont think India will receive this well. After they stop laughing.

Bangladesh is cuddling up to China, but there is a lot of money from the USG that goes to the B.

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