Inflation.......... ?

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Inflation is the political savior of an overspending country that finds itself deep in debt, as the U.S. is today.

A country has four tools to retire its debt: raise taxes, cut spending, declare bankruptcy, or debase the currency through inflation.

Of these options, bankruptcy is the most unpalatable.
It would most likely mean the country goes through a gut-wrenching depression and is unable to borrow for the foreseeable future.

Almost as unpalatable to politicians are spending cuts of any kind.
Taking away something the electorate views as a “right” or an “entitlement” is akin to ending your political career.

Raising taxes is somewhat more appealing, especially in countries where the majority of the voters don’t pay taxes or the increases apply primarily to those the electorate perceives as “the rich.”
The risk here is that if taxes increase too much it reduces the incentive to work and the whole economy crashes.
This means gross tax revenues fall, which in the end actually increases the country’s debt problem as the government must increase borrowing to keep from making any spending cuts.

That leaves inflation.
A slow, chronic inflation is the most politically palatable way of reducing the debt in a manner that is somewhat unnoticeable to the electorate.

How Does Inflation Reduce Debt?
With inflation, the losers are the people and institutions that own the debt, because the currency shrinks in value.
For example, say you loan the government money by buying a $1000 U.S. government bond that matures in ten years.
At the time you buy it, you could buy a fully loaded laptop or a round trip ticket to London for $1000.
Now, let’s say the U.S. inflates its currency at a 7% rate for the next ten years, which would be about twice the “normal” inflation rate of 3.3% for the past 80 years.
At the end of that time the bond matures and you get your $1000 back.
You go to buy a laptop; they now sell for $2000.
That trip to London costs $2000, too.

Many people in this situation will think that the prices of laptops and airline tickets have gone up.
Actually, in real dollars (which are dollars adjusted for inflation), the cost of these items hasn’t gone up a dime.

It’s the value of the dollar that’s gone down, in this case, by 50% over ten years.

The big winner here is the U.S. government, because its multi trillion-dollar debt has been chopped in half (again in real dollar terms) in ten short years.

They accomplished this without raising taxes or cutting spending, which is intoxicatingly appealing to politicians.

If the country slides into chronic deflation, similar to Japan which has seen consumer prices fall up to 2% a year for 15 years, government revenues will fall while the real value of its massive debt will grow, further stagnating future growth.
It becomes a vicious cycle which politicians have few, if any tools, to combat.

That is why gradual inflation is the preferred medicine.
When it’s done well, citizens become like the proverbial frog that is cooked slowly in a pan of water where the temperature is gradually increased, rather than being frozen to death by deflation.
In the end, of course, neither outcome is good for the frog.
That’s all well and good, but this textbook explanation is the same as I had in college. It doesn’t address what happens when inflation goes from gradual to a $5T helicopter dump in the span of a year. All those words go out the window and traditional models are broken because of the furious injection of capital that can’t be easily digested by the world economy.

We are not in a gradual inflation scenario. We are in a full retard scenario that is combined with politicians viewing themselves as the masters of the universe.
 
The article is thought provoking....

When uncertain consumers and investors are not spending in a depression, where should the money come from to pump up “effective demand”? Keynes answered that government should take on this role.

Well Keynes theory was applied during the pandemic.... And, now, here we are.
Keynes was very very wrong. And his writings are what gives these politicians the excuse to print bullshit money. They accept Keynes and hate Mises because Keynes theories allow them to do what they want while kicking the can. But my bet is that this time a good number of those that voted for all the profligate spending will be alive and in office to see the collapse.
 
I imagine they are just going to ride inflation to the midterms. The alternative would be implosion of the system right now. They always seem prone to kicking the can down the road, so why would now be any different?

The Repubs will almost certainly find two brain cells to rub together, and thus manage to win the midterms. But then what? I can't think of a single policy they can enact (much less would actually enact) to undo the damage done by the Fed with the consent of Obama, Trump, and Biden along with several Congresses led by both parties.
 
The Repubs will almost certainly find two brain cells to rub together, and thus manage to win the midterms. But then what? I can't think of a single policy they can enact (much less would actually enact) to undo the damage done by the Fed with the consent of Obama, Trump, and Biden along with several Congresses led by both parties.
I agree... Even if the mid term's provided a "Magic Wand" for America.... The rest of the World will be jumping on the band wagon... These challenges are World Wide.
 
We priced some very large steel buildings last year and put in our plan for this year. Now that is time to build, the price nearly doubled.

Our operating assets cash flow have lost pricing power. Effectively our cost of capital ( new operating assets) has doubled while our net present value of that future cash flow ( profit in the future) has been cut by 2/3.

I don't see how you get out of not having a recession.

I see investors heading for hard assets like land and utility like businesses soon if that is not happening now.
 
I imagine they are just going to ride inflation to the midterms. The alternative would be implosion of the system right now. They always seem prone to kicking the can down the road, so why would now be any different?
The sad truth is, they couldn't pay down the debt if they wanted to. The whole monetary system is designed around debt instruments. Without it, the system does not work.

 
We priced some very large steel buildings last year and put in our plan for this year. Now that is time to build, the price nearly doubled.

Our operating assets cash flow have lost pricing power. Effectively our cost of capital ( new operating assets) has doubled while our net present value of that future cash flow ( profit in the future) has been cut by 2/3.

I don't see how you get out of not having a recession.

I see investors heading for hard assets like land and utility like businesses soon if that is not happening now.
I agree.
There are very, very few "deals" to be found. Depending on location, land is even a roll of the dice.
I know folks who are breaking ground on new homes (Construction Loans). They may not qualify for a 30 year mtg when they are done.
The very unfortunate thing is how the shysters and snake oil salesmen come out of the wood work as a recession worsens. I have a good memory.
The mega corporations were buying back their own stock with the free Government money for the past 2 years. They saw this coming.
The only light at the end of the tunnel is there will be people selling off stuff in order to feed their family. There will be some things available for cash.
Should the Government decide to "feed all the starving people"... This recession could be one of the longest in our lifetime.
 
I agree... Even if the mid term's provided a "Magic Wand" for America.... The rest of the World will be jumping on the band wagon... These challenges are World Wide.

The only thing the Republicans know how to do is cut taxes without cutting spending.

The only thing the Democrats know how to do is spend a lot more while taxing a little more.

They're both enabled by the Fed, which only knows how to make the money printer go BRRRR.

Both sides ignored the Austrians, because that would have meant less money for military contractors and Wall Street and social programs at all levels from the federal government down to your local library board.
 
See, now we are getting to the root of the problem: it's not necessarily the fiat money, it's the lack of a balanced budget. You could have money that isn't backed by gold and still have a functioning economy as long as you have a balanced budget - the budget would go up by the amount of money in circulation. But when you make the budget the controlling factor and not the credit limit, and THEN blow through the budget then there is NOTHING that is really controlling anything.

Had we stuck with a balanced budget even after decoupling from the gold standard our economy would have been much more stable. It would not have grown as fast and the US wouldn't have as much cash to utilize for political purposes worldwide, but we also wouldn't have the situation we are in now. The malinvestments are eventually unwound, but they do get quite big with no budgets and no stopping of the presses, and they affect a lot more of the economy.
 
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"I'll take 'We're Fucked' for $1000 Alex"....

Also, I recall from the 2008 downturn that pickup truck sales correlate to housing starts quite well. Since that is all that the former Big 3 sell nowadays, we might see a canary in the coal mine if that signal can be teased out of the noise of the ongoing chip shortage.
 
I found the following description very helpful, I was searching for an answer to the question "How does inflation reduce debt?":


Inflation is the political savior of an overspending country that finds itself deep in debt, as the U.S. is today.

A country has four tools to retire its debt: raise taxes, cut spending, declare bankruptcy, or debase the currency through inflation.

Of these options, bankruptcy is the most unpalatable.
It would most likely mean the country goes through a gut-wrenching depression and is unable to borrow for the foreseeable future.

Almost as unpalatable to politicians are spending cuts of any kind.
Taking away something the electorate views as a “right” or an “entitlement” is akin to ending your political career.

Raising taxes is somewhat more appealing, especially in countries where the majority of the voters don’t pay taxes or the increases apply primarily to those the electorate perceives as “the rich.”
The risk here is that if taxes increase too much it reduces the incentive to work and the whole economy crashes.
This means gross tax revenues fall, which in the end actually increases the country’s debt problem as the government must increase borrowing to keep from making any spending cuts.

That leaves inflation.
A slow, chronic inflation is the most politically palatable way of reducing the debt in a manner that is somewhat unnoticeable to the electorate.

How Does Inflation Reduce Debt?
With inflation, the losers are the people and institutions that own the debt, because the currency shrinks in value.
For example, say you loan the government money by buying a $1000 U.S. government bond that matures in ten years.
At the time you buy it, you could buy a fully loaded laptop or a round trip ticket to London for $1000.
Now, let’s say the U.S. inflates its currency at a 7% rate for the next ten years, which would be about twice the “normal” inflation rate of 3.3% for the past 80 years.
At the end of that time the bond matures and you get your $1000 back.
You go to buy a laptop; they now sell for $2000.
That trip to London costs $2000, too.

Many people in this situation will think that the prices of laptops and airline tickets have gone up.
Actually, in real dollars (which are dollars adjusted for inflation), the cost of these items hasn’t gone up a dime.

It’s the value of the dollar that’s gone down, in this case, by 50% over ten years.

The big winner here is the U.S. government, because its multi trillion-dollar debt has been chopped in half (again in real dollar terms) in ten short years.

They accomplished this without raising taxes or cutting spending, which is intoxicatingly appealing to politicians.

If the country slides into chronic deflation, similar to Japan which has seen consumer prices fall up to 2% a year for 15 years, government revenues will fall while the real value of its massive debt will grow, further stagnating future growth.
It becomes a vicious cycle which politicians have few, if any tools, to combat.

That is why gradual inflation is the preferred medicine.
When it’s done well, citizens become like the proverbial frog that is cooked slowly in a pan of water where the temperature is gradually increased, rather than being frozen to death by deflation.
In the end, of course, neither outcome is good for the frog.
I was reading this and I was waiting for the inclusion of reducing spending while inflation is the going up slowly. But the idiot in charge of the Fed doesn't have the balls to grab congress by the nuts/cunts and law down the law on spending. He's actually been encouraging it.

See, now we are getting to the root of the problem: it's not necessarily the fiat money, it's the lack of a balanced budget. You could have money that isn't backed by gold and still have a functioning economy as long as you have a balanced budget - the budget would go up by the amount of money in circulation. But when you make the budget the controlling factor and not the credit limit, and THEN blow through the budget then there is NOTHING that is really controlling anything.

Had we stuck with a balanced budget even after decoupling from the gold standard our economy would have been much more stable. It would not have grown as fast and the US wouldn't have as much cash to utilize for political purposes worldwide, but we also wouldn't have the situation we are in now. The malinvestments are eventually unwound, but they do get quite big with no budgets and no stopping of the presses, and they affect a lot more of the economy.
Then you posted this. A lot better said.
 
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This is an article in Fortune from 2004, it explains it well. this is why the US has monitized the debt and gone MMT. Everything over the last few years has gone up in price , while trillions were electronically printed . prices were blamed on covid , now its Russia . things
are moving fast, there is no out , the system is collapsing ,add in peak oil and the population declines . I worry for my daughter !
 
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Holy shit, this is unexpected:


Rep. Thomas Massie said Republicans share some blame for the current inflation spike as a result of their support of the first $2 trillion coronavirus relief package signed into law by President Trump two years ago. “They’re trying to put all the blame on Joe Biden, when in fact the blame belongs on Congress under both Biden and Trump,” Massie told McClatchy in a recent interview.

Won't go over well with "the base", but he's right.
 
Many items are climbing with some prices remaining very close to the price at 01/01/2021.

Generally, 7-10 percent, and what many consumers/ customers don't realize is that competition did keep many prices at a near constant amount for an extended period. We're seeing those prices adjusted for both time, and due to manufacturing, warehousing/ storage, or shipping costs increasing in the last year.
 
Many items are climbing with some prices remaining very close to the price at 01/01/2021.

Generally, 7-10 percent, and what many consumers/ customers don't realize is that competition did keep many prices at a near constant amount for an extended period. We're seeing those prices adjusted for both time, and due to manufacturing, warehousing/ storage, or shipping costs increasing in the last year.
Welcome to the discussion.
You just described the recession of the 1980's.
History is repeating itself.

 
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IMF says:
“What we were striving for is for growth to go up and the inflation that has become a problem to go down,” Georgieva said. “Instead, we have the exact opposite. Growth is going down, inflation is going up.”

 

Joe Biden: Food Shortages ‘Going to Be Real’ Due to Russia War in Ukraine​

Putins fault
Except food shortages were being openly discussed before Putin moved. Don't pay attention to that drivel. It may very well exacerbate shortages, but it was there before now. Previously it was the fault of covid.
 
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Holy shit, this is unexpected:


Rep. Thomas Massie said Republicans share some blame for the current inflation spike as a result of their support of the first $2 trillion coronavirus relief package signed into law by President Trump two years ago. “They’re trying to put all the blame on Joe Biden, when in fact the blame belongs on Congress under both Biden and Trump,” Massie told McClatchy in a recent interview.

Won't go over well with "the base", but he's right.
Yup... some have VERY short memories. I bring this up when talking with people about current affairs, as it at least provides some neutral ground to work from. Plenty of partisan bashing to go around the past few decades.
 
This is an ignorant and nieve view. What was the cost to Service the debt in the 80s vs today?

The Government CANNOT raise interest rates without defaulting on interest payments. Its a mathematic certainty.

If they do the USD will collapse followed by some follow on currency, which may be the plan after all.

Fed outlays: Interest as a % of GDP: - AKA debt servicing. The 80's was almost 2X what they are today, but that's because interest rates were higher at the time even before Volker raised rates to battle inflation.



Total Debt to GPD today is 5X what it was back in the 80's. I'm sure you agree that it's an absolutely absurd increase, but that debt is at near ZERO % interest.




Interest rates in the 80's were 15X what they are today.




So, would you want to borrow $5,000 at 15% over 10 years, or borrow $25,000 at 1% over 10 years?
Rhetorical question.

The fact is that the rates are going to go up. There will be pain, there will be a recession, it will take years to recover from and it IS the plan, but it will not completely collapse the system. Your mathematical certainty be dammed.
 
Hasn't caused the pain to the right people. They keep doing the same thing and the little people get the punishment

And the stoopid people. Those living beyond their means
Don't worry, here are some warm and fuzzy encouraging words from the FED Reserve:

A growing number of U.S. firms are able to pass along their higher costs to consumers, and it remains to be seen how high the Federal Reserve will need to raise its benchmark policy interest rate to get inflation under control, said Richmond Fed President Tom Barkin on Wednesday.

............ pass along their higher costs to consumers...............


 
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I am waiting for the adjusted rate mortgage rates to start going up. Just like in the 2000's banks have allowed people to finance homes that are not within their budget if the rates go up one percent. With the gas prices and inflation where it is currently. An increase in the mortgage payment is about to repeat the '07 event

 
A growing number of U.S. firms are able to pass along their higher costs to consumers,
But, that's absurd!

 
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I am waiting for the adjusted rate mortgage rates to start going up. Just like in the 2000's banks have allowed people to finance homes that are not within their budget if the rates go up one percent. With the gas prices and inflation where it is currently. An increase in the mortgage payment is about to repeat the '07 event
No money down, 3% interest rate with a balloon payment in 5 years............... don't worry in 5 years interest rates will be back down low and you can refinance for 30 years at that time.
Trust me.....

Ask me how my memory is.
 
I’ve still got my eye on purchasing more properties, but I’m only going to start being really interested about 25% below where we are now.

I’ve instead been deploying my cash on items I need and or want to have on hand.

I’m almost where I’ll be comfortable. I’m good on maintenance items, lumber, fasteners, tools, knowledge, etc. Now I have the comfort to sit back and watch for deals to add things at lower cost.