Rifle Scopes Input on 700 5R Build

D.Long

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Recently I picked up a 700 5R in .308. Now, I'm in the market for some glass, rings, and a base. I am a G.I. Bill student, looking for some educated input on building the rifle as best as I can with my current financial situation (student). The rifle will be used for target shooting and deer/antelope season. I've been doing my research and have a few questions.

1. Scope (preferably with target knobs and mildot)
-Fixed or Variable?
-Recommendations in the $500-750 range?

2. Rings / Base
-Badger / NF / Other - Is there a big difference between them or am I paying for brand?

3. Burris XTR 3-12x50
-What are the differences between their mildot and ballistic mildot reticles?
-Is the ballistic mildot worth the extra coin?

Basically I am looking for suggestions on how to obtain more bang for my buck. Thanks for the input and Semper Fi!

Dustin

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Re: Input on 700 5R Build

Bushnell has a 3-12x44 tactical FFP on closeout. Natchezss.com has them for around $540.

Can't comment on the Badger/NF base and rings. I'm using EGW base and Burris XTR rings.
 
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Good luck on your build. I think you will enjoy your rifle. I used TPS rings and picatinny rail. Worked great. I am using a Leupy VX3 4.5-14 with Boone & Crockett reticle (strictly a hunting scope). I am getting .5 moa. Happy shooting.
 
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I would go ahead and get either Badger or Nightforce base and rings now. Won't have to replace them when you upgrade the glass, which is something you will want to do at some point. The 5R is a great rifle. I have one and absolutely love it. Good luck with the build and post some pictures.
 
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I would most definitely go with Badger/NF rings and bases now. They are just better.
The Bushnell listed above is a great scope for the money as well.
Do yourself a big favor. Shoot the rifle for groups before spending lots of time and money on it. While most here have been highly complimentary of the 5R they are Remington factory rifles and subject to the Big Green Gremlin at any time. Not saying you will have any problem. Just saying spend wisely.
 
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It seems that Badger / NF rings and bases are widely used but <span style="text-decoration: underline">what</span> makes them better than others? Just curious before I make a purchase, btw thanks for the advice and I hope you like the photos.
 
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I just picked up the same rifle and I'm in the middle of the same thing you are. I'm looking at going with a Nightforce NXS 3.5 X 15 and am probably going with a Nightforce direct mount. I'm not sold for sure on the mount yet, I like the one piece design, I have a couple of these style mounts one hunting rifles. The only thing holding me up is adjustability.
 
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I have owned two 5R's in .308 in search of "The one" and looking back, both shot very well for the price point.
Just select a 20 moa base and some alum alloy rings (so you don't scratch your scope).
The Bushnell is a great scope for the money as well.
Enjoy,
SScott
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D.Long</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems that Badger / NF rings and bases are widely used but <span style="text-decoration: underline">what</span> makes them better than others? Just curious before I make a purchase, btw thanks for the advice and I hope you like the photos. </div></div>

You pay extra for quality control and better materials. Rails are true to spec and the products are backed by the maker. You can earch on here and find posts for days on members that skimped and cry about poor quality. I have never seen a post complaining about Badger bases or rings. You pay for quality, security and piece of mind. The last thing I worry about is if my rings and base can support that small investment that I am peering through at x amount of meters.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D.Long</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
1. Scope (preferably with target knobs and mildot)
-Fixed or Variable?
-Recommendations in the $500-750 range? </div></div>

The Super Sniper 3-9 FFP from SWFA would be hard to beat in that price range. I'm VERY seriously considering one for my SPR build but it wouldn't be out of place at all, IMO, on a .308 bolt gun.
 
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3. Burris XTR 3-12x50
-What are the differences between their mildot and ballistic mildot reticles?
-Is the ballistic mildot worth the extra coin?

the dope on the ballistic mildot ..... not as oval, and looks like the bottom 1/2 of the reticle is spaced out in 100 yard increments,so you have marked quick hold ups


History
In 1998, it became clear to Burris that sportsmen’s inter-
ests in long range shooting had grown considerably. The
advent of laser rangefinders, more long range rifle
designs, more magnum cartridges, and super accurate
ammunition, long range shooting became more popular
and achievable. However, a vital link in long range success
is a trajectory compensating scope reticle.
In 1999, Burris introduced the Ballistic Mil-Dot reticle in a
6X-24X Signature Series scope, primarily with the varmint
hunter in mind. While under development, Burris recog-
nized that the ballistics of the popular .22-250 55gr varmint
load was very similar to that of many flat shooting big
game cartridges out to 500 yards or more. Demand for this
type of reticle was also strong from big game hunters, and
Burris soon expanded the Ballistic Mil-Dot offering to
include the 4X-16X and 8X-32X scopes.
This reference piece is designed to be used in conjunction
with the Ballistic Mil-Dot reticle guide which is included in
the packaging with each scope. A guide to using Mil-Dots
for range estimation and wind drift compensation is also
included in the packaging with each scope and therefore is
not covered in this technical discussion. 200 yards
The Ballistic Mil-Dot reticle begins as a standard Mil-Dot with two
exceptions. The first is that all the mil-dots are round instead of oblong.
Shooter feedback suggested that round dots are easier to distinguish
than oblong dots. Second, is the conversion of the mil-dots on on lower
vertical crosshair to Ballistic lines. Hundreds of iterations were consid-
ered, and the final determination perfectly matches the ballistics curve of
a .22-250 55gr Sierra boattail load at a muzzle velocity of 3680fps, fired
at 3,000 feet altitude, 59 degrees and barometric pressure of 29.53.
Because the comparative need for accuracy is greatest while shooting
prairie dog size targets (compared to big game), an average altitude and
environmental conditions parameter was utilized for this type of shooting.
The Sierra InfinityTM Ballistics software program was utilized for all calcu-
lations and verified by field shooting.
Although a miniscule amount of shooting occurs beyond 500 yards, Burris
elected to provide a total of 7 sighting references for maximum flexibility
and for the purpose of minimal sight picture departure from the standard
mil-dot. Per the spirit of the original design, this would allow accurate
shooting out to 700 yards.
Some would contend (and Burris would agree) that these cartridges are so
flat shooting out to 200 yards, that a separate 200 yard reference is unnec-
essary. However, significant consideration was given to making the use of
the reticle intuitive and not subject to the failings of memory for occasional
shooters. As designed, counting the ballistic lines is easier starting at 100
yards as the center reference, rather than “remembering” to start counting at
200 and discounting 100 yards. For those who subscribe to the 200 yard
zero, a bit of work with the Sierra Infinity Ballistics software program (or
other similar ballistics programs) will still allow the shooter to calibrate and
optimize the reticle to his particular cartridge, environmental parameters,
and shooting style.
200 yards -1.6” .80” Corr@100 yds
300 yards -7.3” 2.43” Corr@100 yds
400 yards 18.3” 4.58” Corr@100 yds
500 yards 36.0” 7.20” Corr@100 yds
600 yards 62.6” 10.43” Corr@100 yds
700 yards -101.3” 14.47” Corr@100 yds
 
Re: Input on 700 5R Build

Here is what I've ended up with so far.

- Bushnell 4200 3-12x44 Illuminated
Thanks to the input from ScottTX. After I saw the review done by Lowlight I didn't hesitate to snag one on sale from natchezss. Thanks guys.

-Badger 20 moa base
Courtesy of Midway
(Thought about the D.D.ross but trying to save a little $$)

Rings and bipod are next. I will post a picture when I get the rest.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: D.Long</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I've ended up with so far.

- Bushnell 4200 3-12x44 Illuminated
Thanks to the input from ScottTX. After I saw the review done by Lowlight I didn't hesitate to snag one on sale from natchezss. Thanks guys.

-Badger 20 moa base
Courtesy of Midway
(Thought about the D.D.ross but trying to save a little $$)

Rings and bipod are next. I will post a picture when I get the rest.
</div></div>

I would go to Triad for the bipod. Best price I found. Get the Harris and a KMW PodLoc while you're at it.
You can get Badger rings there too.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I would go to Triad for the bipod. Best price I found. Get the Harris and a KMW PodLoc while you're at it.
You can get Badger rings there too. </div></div>

Thanks for the advice on the bipod. I think I've found a used set of rings in the for sale section. Just have to check for the clearance.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ISBe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must have picked up the last Bushnell. They are now out of stock. </div></div>

I got lucky and got the last one from MidwayUSA. Ordered it Tuesday and arrived at USPS today, but havent picked it up yet, should deliver in morning while I am at work.