Interesting read on the validity of forensic science.

[Maggot]

Or:

How the FBI loves to fuck you over. Long read but interesting.

Why a High-Ranking FBI Attorney Is Pushing 'Unbelievable ...​

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40 minutes ago — Why a High-Ranking FBI Attorney Is Pushing 'Unbelievable' Junk Science on Guns. By Radley Balko. Daily Beast. 36 minutes ago.

 

[DocRDS]

As a "man of science" I have consistently found that forensic science isn't. If you pay enough $$ someone will prove your 'claim'

 

[stefan73]

A great read!

another link to what you posted

Why a High-Ranking FBI Attorney Is Pushing ‘Unbelievable’ Junk Science on Guns

Photo Illustration by Elizabeth Brockway/The Daily Beast/GettyLate last year, a forensic firearms analyst in Wisconsin emailed a remarkable document to more than 200 of her colleagues across the country. It was a handout from an online lecture given by Jim Agar, the assistant general counsel for...

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[Maggot]

A great read!

another link to what you posted

Why a High-Ranking FBI Attorney Is Pushing ‘Unbelievable’ Junk Science on Guns

Photo Illustration by Elizabeth Brockway/The Daily Beast/GettyLate last year, a forensic firearms analyst in Wisconsin emailed a remarkable document to more than 200 of her colleagues across the country. It was a handout from an online lecture given by Jim Agar, the assistant general counsel for...

currently.att.yahoo.com

One word answer.

Control.

 

[Arc Light]

"Trust the science" is the new catchphrase of mindless liberals.

I say fuck the science. It can be corrupted just like anything else. The Covid scam and the global warming scam come immediately to mind.

 

[Naaman]

"Trust the science" is the new catchphrase of mindless liberals.

I say fuck the science. It can be corrupted just like anything else. The Covid scam and the global warming scam come immediately to mind.

And if we attribute corruption to human nature, makes you wonder: how far back does "corrupted science" even go?

 

[TurboTrout]

I’ve always wondered if all the super cop TV shows get a kickback for the indoctrination of the TV slaves into thinking the state always catches everyone, knows everything, and are never wrong.

How many idiots who say watch CSI Miami end up on a jury and hear “the forensic evidence says” and are mentally like “well that’s a wrap, he’s obviously guilty”.

 

[Naaman]

I’ve always wondered if all the super cop TV shows get a kickback for the indoctrination of the TV slaves into thinking the state always catches everyone, knows everything, and are never wrong.

How many idiots who say watch CSI Miami end up on a jury and hear “the forensic evidence says” and are mentally like “well that’s a wrap, he’s obviously guilty”.

There is this thing in law enforcement that I have read about called "the CSI effect." Basically, people who watch these shows don't understand why that footprint or fingernail clipping they showed the detective doesn't result in a swift arrest...

So yes, it's a real thing.

 

[TurboTrout]

There is this thing in law enforcement that I have read about called "the CSI effect." Basically, people who watch these shows don't understand why that footprint or fingernail clipping they showed the detective doesn't result in a swift arrest...

So yes, it's a real thing.

It’s hilarious to watch CSI Miami and watch the first 48 right after

 

[DocRDS]

"Trust the science" is the new catchphrase of mindless liberals.

I say fuck the science. It can be corrupted just like anything else. The Covid scam and the global warming scam come immediately to mind.

Yes and no. Always look at who the scientists are. Everyone claims to be one. Very few are. "Trust the Science" is used by politicians and bureaucrats.

Case in point the 'letter' to Joe Rogan about vaccine info was signed by "Medical Professionals" Less than 1/3 were M.D. or D.O.

Also science is highly specialized. I am a scientist "trust me"
But do I work in Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine, Engineering?
I am a medical Professional. Do i do general medicine, family practice, pediatrics, radiology, oncology, or virology?

The problem in the article is actual scientists (statisticians) came to the FBI and said "What you are doing is BS"
During the Nazi era Germany tried to purge "Jewish Physics" and a lot of scientists went along--things like Special Relativity and Quantum Mechanics which had VERY STRONG evidence.
Science is studied by Scientists. Scientists are human.

"Trust the science" Just show them a GMO tomato and watch them shit themselves. A real scientist will say "Here is why: Data/Methodology/Results"

"Trust the Science" Masks are useless beyond bacterial infections and become ineffective when wet. Its 30 years of science. Which is why we are all supposed to wear them......

Remember the Autism from Vaccine? One paper--later retracted, out of THOUSANDS. The bad asshole always gets the press amplified by people who hear what they want to hear.

 

[stefan73]

Trust the science, cigarettes' were good for you, anthrax vax was good for you, mefloquine was good, asbestos was safe, etc etc etc etc

Trust the science-bullshit! Fool me once, https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/3/post-8c1a4f79-eca0-f9d2-9636-b7286f3389a5

 

[Maggot]

Yes and no. Always look at who the scientists are. Everyone claims to be one. Very few are. "Trust the Science" is used by politicians and bureaucrats.

Case in point the 'letter' to Joe Rogan about vaccine info was signed by "Medical Professionals" Less than 1/3 were M.D. or D.O.

Also science is highly specialized. I am a scientist "trust me"
But do I work in Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine, Engineering?
I am a medical Professional. Do i do general medicine, family practice, pediatrics, radiology, oncology, or virology?

The problem in the article is actual scientists (statisticians) came to the FBI and said "What you are doing is BS"
During the Nazi era Germany tried to purge "Jewish Physics" and a lot of scientists went along--things like Special Relativity and Quantum Mechanics which had VERY STRONG evidence.
Science is studied by Scientists. Scientists are human.

"Trust the science" Just show them a GMO tomato and watch them shit themselves. A real scientist will say "Here is why: Data/Methodology/Results"

"Trust the Science" Masks are useless beyond bacterial infections and become ineffective when wet. Its 30 years of science. Which is why we are all supposed to wear them......

Remember the Autism from Vaccine? One paper--later retracted, out of THOUSANDS. The bad asshole always gets the press amplified by people who hear what they want to hear.

Interesting enough, Francis Collins, longest serving head of NIH and critical in the Human Genome Project, brilliant guy, worked with Fauci to cover up the fact that the virus came from a Chinese lab. Why? Didnt want to make the Chinese look bad.

Science, like statistics (which is a science) can be made to say what ever a corrupt practitioner wants it to say. That doesnt make science evil, it just exposes corrupt individuals.

Try finding a reasonable priced home today. Bwahahahahaah Up 20% last year. But the rich, like @TheGerman, just write a check.

I hate to beat the same old drum, but we, all of us, not just Americans, are fucked because a few corrupt souls want it all. Crussing the RubiPotomac wont help, the crooks will be one step removed and safe in their bunkers, before you get there.

 

[DocRDS]

Throw in our abhorrence of anything intellectual and you got a shitstorm like uhhhhh right now...

I know I'm gonna sound like an arrogant ass, but 99% of the people can't add 2+2. That includes my graduate students.
Math is dumb!!!
They can't change a tire either....

 

[stefan73]

Throw in our abhorrence of anything intellectual and you got a shitstorm like uhhhhh right now...

I know I'm gonna sound like an arrogant ass, but 99% of the people can't add 2+2. That includes my graduate students.
Math is dumb!!!
They can't change a tire either....

Being able to regurgitate what is in a book doesn't necessarily make a person intelligent or so I have found. Met some guys with very solid schooling that lacked common sense and an understanding of practical application. Look at AOC as an example.

I have also met some who were Johnny on the Spot! I believe he has his second Doctorate (we teased him because his wife is a particle physicist so we used to say that he needed his Doctorates' so she wouldn't call him stupid). Anyways, he was solid!

So, it goes both ways.

 

[Maggot]

Being able to regurgitate what is in a book doesn't necessarily make a person intelligent or so I have found. Met some guys with very solid schooling that lacked common sense and an understanding of practical application. Look at AOC as an example.

I have also met some who were Johnny on the Spot! I believe he has his second Doctorate (we teased him because his wife is a particle physicist so we used to say that he needed his Doctorates' so she wouldn't call him stupid). Anyways, he was solid!

So, it goes both ways.

Trouble is AOC isnt really intelligent, Once you get into one of those schools its pretty easy to stay, just dont fuck up too bad.. She's just a dumb twat that got set up by handlers so she will do their bidding. She opened her mouth on her own too much (with the twat squad) and got throttled.

 

[DocRDS]

We've equated 'degree' with intellect. Also many 'Prestigious' colleges really rely on wealth, fame, and connections (also it is impossible to fail as they just 'withdraw' you from the class)

I remember an interview once where they asked what was the last book I read. They refused to accept 'The Fractal Geometry of Nature' and insisted I list what I read for leisure. I said "The Fractal Geometry of Nature".

We never look at someone as say "What has been their life's work" Look at someone like Frank--I get the sense that people see him as this spunky trainer with a cool website and history of marksmanship.

But do you see someone who has spent their life in the betterment of knowledge and instructing others?

Go back 200 years and read their letters and speeches. I would jizz in my pants if I could write and speak like that.

 

[TurboTrout]

There was also a Joe Rogan where he had like 3 professional academics, they knew the wording to use and all that, wrote a insane study on something like why men should have gay sex otherwise they are bad, something way off the wall, got it “peer reviewed” and published just do demonstrate how you can push anything through that system if you know your audience.

Folks have relinquished their own damn common sense and outsourced it to any hack that put “expert” on their name tag.

Im always VERY skeptical of anyone who wears the label of “expert”, let alone relishes in the title

 

[DocRDS]

Don't even need professionals. There are scripts that use AI to generate papers. I wanted to get one with our names, but it is broken.

SCIgen - An Automatic CS Paper Generator

 

[DocRDS]

Ooo sorry for double but this is too good.

@TurboTrout sorry I claimed first author. But it is a fake after all...

 

[MarkCO]

"Trust the Science" is the opposite of Science. No real scientist will say it, and just because it lands on the tickled ears of the followers of the MSM means nothing.

I've been in court, as an endorsed export, accepted by the court, 3 times against a CBI expert. Each time, after I testified, the CBI expert was withdrawn as well as their report. Just because charlatans exist does not make all experts nor all scientists bad.

 

[RUTGERS95]

A great read!

another link to what you posted

Why a High-Ranking FBI Attorney Is Pushing ‘Unbelievable’ Junk Science on Guns

Photo Illustration by Elizabeth Brockway/The Daily Beast/GettyLate last year, a forensic firearms analyst in Wisconsin emailed a remarkable document to more than 200 of her colleagues across the country. It was a handout from an online lecture given by Jim Agar, the assistant general counsel for...

currently.att.yahoo.com

great read and surprised we haven't seen more appeals off of this

 

[MarkCO]

I had a lady call me last week. She wanted me to "just write a letter" saying that the bullet fired could not have come from the gun her son possessed. DA said it was "consistent" that it came from his gun. She had watched too much TV.