Is it Still a Colt?

[Huskydriver]

My M16A4 for may Iraqi trip was fresh from the factory, still covered in cosmoline, and made by FN. It was a great shooter. I was beyond pissed when our spec ops wannabe OpsO convinced our team lead we needed M4s because that is what spec ops uses. The Colt M4 was good too, but I preferred the M16A4.

They make all the m4s for the army now too

 

[IrishWind]

True, but I should have added that was 2006-7 time frame. Last I heard the M4 contract was split between the two, but I have not been following Army procurement the past few years either.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

You keep saying Colt is better, but you never said why...

You say more reliable, but in what way, under what circumstances? What data are you referencing to back that up?

Which parts exactly in a Colt, break less than any other quality made brand an why?

You say more accurate, but exactly how are you defining that?

Are there NO other brands that match the accuracy of a Colt at ANY distance, with ANY ammo?

Do those shooting teams you speak of use NOTHING but Colt?

Do they shoot them as received from the factory, or are they modified in certain ways?

The acceptance standard for the military is 4moa. If these are so accurate, why is the standard so low?

Colt is better for a variety of reasons:
It has a long proven history asserting the quality, reliability, durability as a combat rifle.

It routinely has beaten out the competition when tested through various military trials or LE procurement for MRBF.

They have stood up to the test of time going back to the early days of Shooting Schools and Trainers. ABC was a thing for a reason and Colt was always considered the best rifle to have at the time, and even up today, is something that will survive the abuse and high vollume shooting of both instiutions and private users who train alot. Ask the various trainers what they see go down and what runs like a top. A guy that sees 10-20 shooters a week, shooting 500-2000 rounds in each course, week in and week out is going to see more rounds put down range than just about anyone. Couple their most likely background in Special Opperations firearms expereince and they may be worth listending to. Some will be very candid and some will be reserved becuase that industry is based around money and reputation. You might be suprised how different they act on camera and offline in a class. Night and Day. But since you already have all this training you know right?

A Colt barrel is going to be more accurate than most the cheaper price range CL barrels due to their manufacturing process and chrome lining which is one of the best. FN probably has them beat, but since you can't buy a commercial FN rifle using the TDP, you are stuck with cucked commercial guns. FN sells its barrels on the secondary market and through resellers, but you aren't getting a real FN gun or upper unless through grey surplus channels. BCM, DD, KAC, LMT, FN and HK makes just as good if not a better M16/M4 type barrel but you will pay for it. BCM has a real winner with their ELW line, reducing wasted mass while keeping the meat where it needs to be.

You are being obtuse and no one EVER said there aren't more accurate barrels. Its a combat rifle, which uses issue M193/M855, with a non match trigger and either iron sights or a low power Acog/Aimpoint. The point is you can take a ragged out M16, run inaccurate issue ammo through it, and STILL shoot expert in both the Marine Corps and Army's Rifle qualification using iron sights. Many President's 100 shooters earned their tab using those same factory barrels over the years.

Bolts, mag catches, extractors, and various small Fire control parts are the most common breakages. Colt BCG and Fire control parts always sold for a massive premium because builders desire them. If you can't buy a factory gun, or want to build something you can't buy, using proven parts where you can is what you do. If you have never broken a Bolt before, then IMO you are not qualified to even speak on the subject. It shows a complete lack of experience. Its like a virgin trying to school people on how to fuck.

No one ever claimed colt was the exclusive supplier of High power. Again, you are making shit up.

The vast majority of people are incapable of taking a M16, issue ammo and outshouting the mechanical accuracy of that combination. The whole fucking point of the post is an ignorant poster claiming inaccuracy when there is a very very high probability the gun is not the issue. The fact those same guns have been used to win Camp Perry proves it. How fucking accurate does it need to be when you can put lead into ass at 600 yards if need be.

The Hilarity is the Marine Corp's pushed for the M16A2 because it had all the features of a match rifle, which is not what you want in a combat rifle. It weighted more and was more complicated that it should have been to make it more accurate and easier to shoot at long range.

Can you name other comparable service rifles that can do it better? I will wait.

Is Colt the greatest shit ever made? Hell no. I can name a few products that are both improved from a technological, process and metallurgical standpoint while being PROVEN, but they are all significantly more expensive. There is a reason good shit is expensive. You are paying for that R&D and confidence level.

You post is a classic example of you just taking the snippets of my post you want and ignoring the whole post to fit your agenda. Context is everything, we don't pick and choose what pieces to fit a narrative. Throw in completely making up statements out of thin air and this is you. CNN would be proud.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

no, fuckface. YOU are the one who is self professed 100% right and no one else knows a fucking thing. you so fucking good. i’ve seen the 11 wannabees woof their shit far and wide. fucking legs and posers love the motherfucking internet.

i dont recall anyone ever saying colt was trash. i think the original topic was regarding outsourced parts from the companies that “pureists” say is inferior to colt, being bought by colt, and what the overall outcome was. somehow, you got twisted into something completely different. i dont recall anyone saying colt was junk. but you have a bug up your ass because some folks are of the mind that colt isnt the be-all, end-all of firearms. sorry, fuckface, but there are plenty of assholes around here that have lived longer than you, have as much (and probably a whole lot more along with a wider range of) experience than you.

you have an opinion based on what you have seen and experienced. you think the rest of us are different than that? i bent over backwards to be polite and not to tell you to fuck off. twice. your response? to kick sand in not only my face, but several other’s. and now you are pissing and moaning like a sick whore because you got fucking told what a little piss ant, thin skinned little bitch you are.

it’s your own fucking fault for not having any manners. show a bit of tact next time and perhaps people wont think you are such a shitstain.

here’s a new profile picture for you...it’s the turd from last night. methinks it’s very fitting.
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**edit** i dont like being ugly to folks. i’d prefer to be civil, respectful, and to either help folks or make their lives better if i can. i am not enjoying that i started the day off telling someone off. my apologies to the rest of you for the ugly.

You sound angry. Does it make you more angry when you can't debate the subject matter and instead fly of the handle like a child? Keep up the temper tantrum, people are watching.

 

[502Chevelle]

Ive had 2 Colts. Never again. My Hbar match a2 would only group a best of 3" regardless of the match ammo or handloads that i ran through it. Multiple shooters, multiple tries. Would go bang every time. Is that good enough? No. My Series 80 Combat Elite 1911 never ran from day one. After spending a shit ton of money on it, my wife was sick of me dumping money on it and she said fix it or sell it, " Right now its just a paper weight. " She was right. Finally Jeff Abernathy at Tommy Guns figured out that my frame was drilled crooked for the slide stop. Wtf. He fixed it, and finally the gun runs. The CE model was supposed to be nice, but what a pos. 2 Colts that were upper end models and both were pos. Never again. Lots of Colt fanboys out there. Keep drinking the pony flavored kool aid.

 

[CrabsandFootball]

Ive had 2 Colts. Never again. My Hbar match a2 would only group a best of 3" regardless of the match ammo or handloads that i ran through it. Multiple shooters, multiple tries. Would go bang every time. Is that good enough? No. My Series 80 Combat Elite 1911 never ran from day one. After spending a shit ton of money on it, my wife was sick of me dumping money on it and she said fix it or sell it, " Right now its just a paper weight. " She was right. Finally Jeff Abernathy at Tommy Guns figured out that my frame was drilled crooked for the slide stop. Wtf. He fixed it, and finally the gun runs. The CE model was supposed to be nice, but what a pos. 2 Colts that were upper end models and both were pos. Never again. Lots of Colt fanboys out there. Keep drinking the pony flavored kool aid.

What an amazing story with your sample size on ONE.

Can you name a product any product that at some time did not perform as advertised?

Taking a high school level statistics class would solve alot of this type of mentality.

 

[kyzim311]

YOU are the one who is self professed 100% right and no one else knows a fucking thing.

And he continues to prove it, and cling to his beloved Colts. Anyone says anything bad, he is here to prove them wrong.

Edit: Back on topic, Colt's own advertising label's their guns as military classics. Most of their models are some variation of an M4 or M16 style rifle. Most people are not buying these for home defense or because they are cutting edge, they are buying for the colt authenticity. When most of the parts are outsourced with a Colt name slapped on it, I fail to see the authenticity of the original military colt rifles. Anyone wanting an ar-15 for personal use will either buy something cheaper (ruger or smith and wesson come to mind) or something better (BCM, DD, and others with their modular rails and other improved features). 15-20 years ago colt was a staple, but now they are offering designs that mostly look like they are from the 1990s with few of the original colt markings. No thanks, I will either look for an older colt with the real markings as a collectable or buy something better.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Anyone says anything , he is here to prove them wrong.

On almost every subject matter. Just ask him. It's like walking into a bar full of vegan crossfit atheists.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

BTW. Yes, it's legally a colt.

 

[502Chevelle]

Hey Man, read the post. 1 Pos Colt Hbar, and 1 Pos 1911. So my sample size is 100% bigger! Yes i know its only 2 guns, but who the fuck sends a pistol out with a mis drilled frame, that wont freakin run. Ever wonder why you dont see too many Colts in the winners circle in 3 gun? Keep drinking, ahhhh, that kool aid is good.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Colt is better for a variety of reasons:
It has a long proven history asserting the quality, reliability, durability as a combat rifle.

It routinely has beaten out the competition when tested through various military trials or LE procurement for MRBF.

They have stood up to the test of time going back to the early days of Shooting Schools and Trainers. ABC was a thing for a reason and Colt was always considered the best rifle to have at the time, and even up today, is something that will survive the abuse and high vollume shooting of both instiutions and private users who train alot. Ask the various trainers what they see go down and what runs like a top. A guy that sees 10-20 shooters a week, shooting 500-2000 rounds in each course, week in and week out is going to see more rounds put down range than just about anyone. Couple their most likely background in Special Opperations firearms expereince and they may be worth listending to. Some will be very candid and some will be reserved becuase that industry is based around money and reputation. You might be suprised how different they act on camera and offline in a class. Night and Day. But since you already have all this training you know right?

A Colt barrel is going to be more accurate than most the cheaper price range CL barrels due to their manufacturing process and chrome lining which is one of the best. FN probably has them beat, but since you can't buy a commercial FN rifle using the TDP, you are stuck with cucked commercial guns. FN sells its barrels on the secondary market and through resellers, but you aren't getting a real FN gun or upper unless through grey surplus channels. BCM, DD, KAC, LMT, FN and HK makes just as good if not a better M16/M4 type barrel but you will pay for it. BCM has a real winner with their ELW line, reducing wasted mass while keeping the meat where it needs to be.

You are being obtuse and no one EVER said there aren't more accurate barrels. Its a combat rifle, which uses issue M193/M855, with a non match trigger and either iron sights or a low power Acog/Aimpoint. The point is you can take a ragged out M16, run inaccurate issue ammo through it, and STILL shoot expert in both the Marine Corps and Army's Rifle qualification using iron sights. Many President's 100 shooters earned their tab using those same factory barrels over the years.

Bolts, mag catches, extractors, and various small Fire control parts are the most common breakages. Colt BCG and Fire control parts always sold for a massive premium because builders desire them. If you can't buy a factory gun, or want to build something you can't buy, using proven parts where you can is what you do. If you have never broken a Bolt before, then IMO you are not qualified to even speak on the subject. It shows a complete lack of experience. Its like a virgin trying to school people on how to fuck.

No one ever claimed colt was the exclusive supplier of High power. Again, you are making shit up.

The vast majority of people are incapable of taking a M16, issue ammo and outshouting the mechanical accuracy of that combination. The whole fucking point of the post is an ignorant poster claiming inaccuracy when there is a very very high probability the gun is not the issue. The fact those same guns have been used to win Camp Perry proves it. How fucking accurate does it need to be when you can put lead into ass at 600 yards if need be.

The Hilarity is the Marine Corp's pushed for the M16A2 because it had all the features of a match rifle, which is not what you want in a combat rifle. It weighted more and was more complicated that it should have been to make it more accurate and easier to shoot at long range.

Can you name other comparable service rifles that can do it better? I will wait.

Is Colt the greatest shit ever made? Hell no. I can name a few products that are both improved from a technological, process and metallurgical standpoint while being PROVEN, but they are all significantly more expensive. There is a reason good shit is expensive. You are paying for that R&D and confidence level.

You post is a classic example of you just taking the snippets of my post you want and ignoring the whole post to fit your agenda. Context is everything, we don't pick and choose what pieces to fit a narrative. Throw in completely making up statements out of thin air and this is you. CNN would be proud.

Whole lot of opinion and inference, and not a single verifiable data point.

What breaks most often on ANY AR style rifle? ...things attached to the bolt head and magazine catches.

Put quality guts into virtually ANYBODY's matched upper and lower receiver group, put the proper sized hole in the barrel, and it will likely run like a sewing machine.

As far as Colt's barrel accuracy?....Bwahahaha....the standard is 4moa for a reason. They didn't pull that shit out of the air. The standard was written to fit the company that they wanted to get the contract. It happens over and over again.

The winners are picked beforehand you twat.

 

[TheBigCountry]

So nice to see Primus (and before that I think it was Cobracutter?) back in his old form.

Is this for sale though?

 

[Aaros143]

Way back in the day when a cop would roll into the gun shop and need a patrol rifle he was buying out of his own pocket, yeah I'd happily recommend an LE 6920 and an aim point PRO. Solid setup for the money.

Nowadays no way. One the price has gone way up. And the SOLGW M4 Patrol is a much better rifle for the money.

 

[myronman3]

dude is a turd burglar. he’s about kicking sand in folk’s faces if they have a different view than his. instead of perhaps listening and learning something, he’s got his mind made up and fuck everything else.

i tried to take him seriously, and respect his experience and point of view. but i just can’t anymore.