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Or a 223. Modern 223 please.If you want another 5000 rds of barrel life, keep it a .308.
That’s an insult to the 69 Camaro. The .308 is more akin to a 50’s Buick Roadmaster.
Aren’t most f class 308 shooters running long oal single feeds to gain powder capacity?The 1000 yard F Class Open record isn't held by a .308. It was 200-17X with a 7mm BAT, now its 200-22X with a . 284 Shehane (7mm). The inadequate .308 only has a lowly 200-16X FTR record.
Don't know what the load was. The couple FTR shooters I know shoot 175's improving M118 LR, same velocity better consistency. NSSC doesn't have the match records link any more, my Service Rifle mentor from 20 years ago had the Butner range record.Aren’t most f class 308 shooters running long oal single feeds to gain powder capacity?
if you wanted to get better at shooting free throws, would you practice with a woman's basketball to make it easier to make them?The 1000 yard F Class Open record isn't held by a .308. It was 200-17X with a 7mm BAT, now its 200-22X with a . 284 Shehane (7mm). The inadequate .308 only has a lowly 200-16X FTR record.
My attitude isn't against 6.5 CM, just that .308 isn't that inferior.
FTR bipod and rear bag. F class can use front benchrest devices.The 1000 yard F Class Open record isn't held by a .308. It was 200-17X with a 7mm BAT, now its 200-22X with a . 284 Shehane (7mm). The inadequate .308 only has a lowly 200-16X FTR record.
Train with what you shoot. The only "trainer" I have is a .22 lr upper for the indoor range. My club has a 50 foot pistol range or the 25 yard range at Camp Elmore.if you wanted to get better at shooting free throws, would you practice with a woman's basketball to make it easier to make them?
You know... that looks like a R700.... I bet that is the reason you missed so much, They just don’t work anymore. If you’ll send it to me I’ll make sure it’s taken care of free of chargeSome where Frank has a chart breaking down different common calibers, 1-5 score on multiple factors. Cost, recoil, and a couple others. .308 scores a 5 (top) for training.
Yesterday I tried 780 yards on a 66% ipsc silhouette. I had a first round hit and then missed more times than I care to admit, the wind was kicking my ass more than anything I think.View attachment 7340462. I'm signed up for the Iowa class in August. I want to switch to 6.5CM so bad I can taste it. I'll learn a fuck ton more with the .308. I'm sticking with it until at least after the class. After that we'll see.
I use my 2/3 IPSC with a Magnetospeed Target Hit Indicator at our 1000 yard line. It's up on the berm so it's actually 1017 yards. I go down and repaint every hour or so, and I usually am the only one there so I shoot slow and keep my can from getting stupid hot. I have a 700 Police 26" BA in a Bravo with a Razor 4.5-27. I don't reload and shoot only 175 FGMM. This is from the other day. Just as boring as my 6.5. Disclaimer: Schooled by Frank!!Yesterday I tried 780 yards on a 66% ipsc
But like 45-70 and 30.06 it is now obsolete.
You know... that looks like a R700.... I bet that is the reason you missed so much, They just don’t work anymore. If you’ll send it to me I’ll make sure it’s taken care of free of charge
. It happens. I struggle with wind greatly.Well yeah it's one of those POS APO Snipers Hide editions. (There really needs to be a sarcasm font). Not once will I blame the rifle. At 630 yards it wasnt an issue, with the wind was at my back last weekend. At 780 it was a low wind but variable speed and direction I just couldn't catch it again. It's the Indian not the arrow.
No, that’s the 45 ACP. Don’t steal that line and apply it to 308308 is the lord’s caliber. Keep it.
Until you are into subsonic, then it’s all back to basics.308 is like a 1969 Camaro. Yes the 2020 Camaro is better in every way, but a 69 396 SS can still teach you a lot that the new stuff with traction control, abs and electronic throttle cant. 6.5 with it's high BC bullets and good velocity and low recoil is a new Camaro. Makes everybody look like a rock star.
There are currently riots in all parts of the country. 9mm and 5.56 are sold out in lots of places.
.308 and .30-06 are not.
You tell me.
How does the saying go..…."45 ACP 'cause shooting more than once is just silly"No, that’s the 45 ACP. Don’t steal that line and apply it to 308
Aside from nostalgia and it’s training value, I shoot .308 more because of how cheap factory ammo is. If you’re patient, you can find 175gr FGMM for 85-90¢/round. The next closest equivalent in 6.5CM is something like $1.20-1.25. That’s a 30-35¢ savings with every trigger pull, meaning I get 30% more trigger time with it over a 6.5. Couple that with .22 once I get my trainer finished, and I’ll be saving a good bit of money. After some changes on our end last year, that’s a big deal for us that I’d be a fool to ignore. I do have a 6.5, but may consider moving it and focusing purely on .308 for awhile. Since all I do is local club matches and I have no serious ideation of winning those matches right now, I’m fine with that. Once I can make consistent, accurate, repeatable hits on targets out to 800y or so from a variety of positions on the clock, then I feel the added expense of a 6.5 would be worth it. For now, I don’t often even get all my shots off on a stage because I’m just not fast enough getting in and out of positions, so my goal is simply to make all of the shots I take, and a .308 lets me do that just fine while saving money.
Modern. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. LolI like to keep a few .308 modern battle rifles on hand, to arm the neighborhood.
You need to look around for ammo as you can find ammo cheaper for the creedmoor that is comparable to the FGMM .308. The Hornady American Gunner bulk is $139-159/200. That’s only about 80 cents a piece on the high end.
Is the AG stuff that accurate, though? I’ll admit I haven’t looked into it much, as it seemed like a cheap plinking load compared to other loads on the market.
Actually it is. People shoot others as the BC of the 140 BTHP isn't as high at only .580 but it's a good deal higher than the .496 of the 175 SMK.
Turn it into a 7MM-08.I have several precision and hunting rifles and I never thought that I would be without a 308 Winchester in the safe. If you asked me 5 years ago if I would always have a 308 in the stable I would have answered you a resounding yes. However, like many of you I find myself shooting my 308 less and less and 6 and 6.5 mm more and more. I have great admiration for the 308 but as my barrel wears out I find myself asking the same question many of you have. Has the 308 gone the way of the typewriter? More of a novelty then a real tool these days?
Buick Roadmaster is the 30-40 KragThat’s an insult to the 69 Camaro. The .308 is more akin to a 50’s Buick Roadmaster.
Fantastic ammo. Its slow like all the Hornady stuff but is just as accurate as Prime 130 out to the 900 yards that I have to shoot. I have shot cases of the stuff and have never had to adjust my dope across many lots. FGMM 175gr .308 has been the same dope for all the years I have shot it as well.Is the AG stuff that accurate, though? I’ll admit I haven’t looked into it much, as it seemed like a cheap plinking load compared to other loads on the market.