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on what? it's a shitshow and i don't believe anyone.
I went to a high school, with inner city busing. There were no problems, it was good for those bussed in, and go for those of us who lived in the pleasant, low crime community to get to know black persons.
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WaPo chastises Ukraine for firing heavy weaponry next to apartment complexes
Zelensky aid Alexei Arestovich says Ukrainian conduct is not bound by international law
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Hell, a tank firing a round outside my house MAY just get me up in the morning...not willing to find out though, I enjoy hitting my snooze button.WaPo chastises Ukraine for firing heavy weaponry next to apartment complexes
Zelensky aid Alexei Arestovich says Ukrainian conduct is not bound by international law
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The outgoing rounds are probably not the problem.Hell, a tank firing a round outside my house MAY just get me up in the morning...not willing to find out though, I enjoy hitting my snooze button.
The return-fire landing in the apartment complexes is a big problem.
Typical libtard reporter
They should give up all pretenses of being reporters and just start giving on camera blowjobs to every Democrat politician they come across
very true, so many examples of being forced to mix and then the area goes to #hit. True statistic in the mortgage industry that when racial diversity breaches 6%, home prices go down in the suburbs with very few exceptions. Remember Yonkers being forced to accept more diversity and low income housing? They turned a white middle to upper middle class town into a $hithole. Diversity works and it doesn't work but make no mistake, we have a black crime issue in this country, not a white person problem.
things did not go according to plan for Russia. there is no doubt about that. But this is still a logical evaluation of what seems to be Russia's "plan B"
the last time I heard reference to that term was in a Kipling poem.
and as a matter of fact that poem is a good example of how the leaders of Britain and America have always insisted that murder and destruction is totally unforgivable if the other side does it, but perfectly okay if it's done by us.
So I know we are no longer in the Victorian era, but the Hottentot mentality of the neocons and leftists has not changed one bit, and just for the hell of it I'll include the poem. one or two people might get a kick out of it.
A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.
Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.
They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face —
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race —
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.
For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state,
With fifty file of Burmans
To open him Heaven’s gate.
The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay —
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.
Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.
The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar’s flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.
Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shickaris
Went back to their grave again,
Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village —
The village of Pabengmay,
And the “drip-drip-drip” from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.
They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man’s chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.
Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below —
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.
Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris —
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.
Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Sniders squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a white man’s head
Must be paid for with heads five-score.
There’s a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There’s a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there’s Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.
There is nothing logical about that article.things did not go according to plan for Russia. there is no doubt about that. But this is still a logical evaluation of what seems to be Russia's "plan B"
The only thing reliable about Andrei Raevsky, is that he is reliably going to report the latest wild ass Russian disinformation wave.
IF the thrust was truly a massive "feint" toward Kiev to distract from the Eastern Regions, it chalks up there with dumbest fucking feints in Russian Military history somewhere right behind the 2nd and 3rd Kotluban offensives.
Andrei takes a whole paragraph to convince us that the Javelin is a failed weapon in Ukraine and that generally western weapon systems don't work against Russian equipment. Many of his articles since the beginning of this conflict harp on how ineffective western shoulder fired weapons are in Ukraine.
I particularly enjoyed his quality assessment in late February declaring in a matter of days we would hear that, "Kiev has surrendered. There are Russian tanks on the Maidan Square. Russian infantry is mopping up the remains of Ukraine’s National Guard. A curfew has indeed been imposed. The operation to take Kiev resembled “Shock and Awe” in Baghdad: a few loud bangs and then a whimper."
Fucking buffoon.
I love the Neocon chest thumping.
For the last month, the Russians have beat the piss out of the AFU. They have shot down the Ukrainian air force and hunted Ukrainian units to the point where they have to hide in apartment buildings, malls, and even schools. The AFU has resorted to shooting civilians who try to leave combat zones because they need the human shields for their unit's survival.
Now take into account that Russia - a country who is slated for extermination by the NWO - has an economy the size of Texas, and a military whose hardware dates mostly from the soviet era, with modern upgrades pretty much duct taped on. When the Russians went into Ukraine, the force numbered about 100,000. Now, granted, estimates vary. 150k would be a safe bet. On the high side I've heard 200k.
The Ukrainians called up all their reserves to fight against those 150,000 +/- Russians. But that's 600,000 men. And they're in defensive positions no less, some of which have been prepared for 8 years in the East. These reservists have seen combat, murdering civilians and fighting the pro-Russian militias. And now they have been lavished with all the free weapons that US taxpayers can't afford. We've given them more modern weapons than Russia can afford to produce. Every last man, woman, and child seems to be running around with a stinger, javelin, or panzerfaust. We have expended vast amounts of taxpayer money to train them, even the hard core nazi ones, for the last 8 years.
And yet those 600,000 Ukrainians with extensive American military training and full western aid of billions of dollars worth of weapons, fighting an advantageous defensive war with short supply lines has had the living piss beat out of it for the last month by 150,000 Russians, to the point where Fox news is screaming that we must go to direct war with Russia to save poor Ukraine.
And after all this, we question the fact that the Russians have not met their objectives? On the night the attack began, knowing the condition of the Russian armed forces, I said that this would be the death ride of the Russian military. So far it has not. The Russian losses are absolutely heavy - exacerbated by the dirty human shield style of fighting that the AFU has done. But the Ukrainian losses are also very heavy. And if not for NWO interference, logistical support, and indirect if not direct military assistance, Kiev would have fallen. To the much smaller Russian invasion force. And nevertheless, the attack on Kiev kept the majority of those 600,000 men away from Donbas, which is what Russia really wants - a landbridge from Russia through Donbas to Crimea. They could care fuck about Kiev - although I'm sure they did plan to occupy it temporarily. But in light of all this, I guess the Russians are not as bad as the media lets on.
Barring something catastrophic Russia is on the path to control all land east of the Dnieper river, and probably soon. Of course the western MSM is gaslighting everyone saying Ukraine has a chance to win, this is most likely not true.
I don't know if anyone covered it here but Russia is using a strategy called the "Cauldron," where by they surround a territory or city, put put on the lid, and turn up the heat. That said, It's very interesting that Russia has not destroyed critical infrastructure like water, sanitation, electricity, even internet is mostly in tact, it show's you what their intentions are.
Look, I agree that you can get mad at western media biases and the propaganda they shell out. However, I don't advocate merely swapping Western propaganda with Russian Propaganda.
The speed at which this war is developing has outstripped the more absurd propaganda in a blatant fashion. Putin is struggling to spin a positive light.
I don't believe Putin is a fool. The story is simple. They made mistakes, and the Ukrainians capitalized on them. The Russians now need to shift strategy.
that I can agree with.
I agree that the Russian plan was to temporarily occupy kiev and hunt down all the worst offenders in government. it didn't happen.
But their territorial goal was always the Donbas down to Crimea. Whether or not they thought they could take Odessa at some point is a guess - they never really tried to. They hinted at landing operations to keep AFU forces tied up - again, see the strategy of a smaller force attempting to divert a larger force. So, moving forward, if the Russians begin phase 2 and really shore up that area, then I think their plan has mostly succeeded. But if they really do start to withdraw from Kiev, get hammered, and then the freed-up AFU units go on the offensive in the South and East, then that's a different story. We'll have to wait and see. I can't predict. But I do know that the Russians are not the giant juggernaut that the media tries to say they are. They are a smaller force, up against a lot of manpower and western aid.
I'm sorry, perhaps I haven't been following things closely enough.
Other than Mariupol, what major Ukrainian position are you referring to as being completely surrounded, cut off from supplies and facing constant pressure and attacks from all sides?
That right there sums up the Putin's critical miscalculation. The fervor of the Ukrainian defense was unexpected and combined with the poor logistical planning of the Russians and operational overreach has made things too difficult to continue to pursue their current strategy.
Perhaps the Russians will regroup and commit additional forces to the conflict from the East?
Izyum will be important to watch over the next few days.
To be clear I am merely hi-lighting the strategy Russia is trying to employ, and has employed in some key locations.
However Russia has made some large strides. But to answer your question - Chernehiv, Sumy, and Zaporzhia are all besieged, as is Kiev to a lesser degree, but once the formentioned territories are done all energy will be set on Kiev probably. Mariupol was the strong hold of Azov, so massive plus for Russia there. Yes Russia has underestimated things greatly, and Ukraine forces have been impressive, but it looks like Russia has figured some things out and is switching tactics.
If you have telegram I recommend Michael De la Brocks channel and live streams, he's one hundred times more accurate and knowledgeable regarding the war in Ukraine then any MSM pundit.
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I wouldn't use the word "miscalculation". I'd call it more of a desperate gamble with no other option.
as far as the actual planning, it's possible but unlikely that they thought they could win everything before the reserves were called up. And Russia does not have the military resources to pull off a super Cannae in the East while fighting a Verdun outside Kiev, so now we'll see what plan b looks like now.
If they bomb Russia again with American hardware, we might see nukes.
If not, for Ukraine's part, It will just be more of the same as it ever was since 2014 - billions of dollars of our tax money to advance Schwab's Reset and Soros' Order.
This is why you work like a slave every day, but pay up to 50% of your income to your unelected overlords. To fund this.
Regarding Sumy, if by besieged you mean merely attacking or maintaining pressure around a city with an intent to encircle, then sure. If by however, by the word besieged you mean fully encircled and cut off from supply then no. Its difficult to accept the claim that they are besieged with the towns of Trostyanets, Nyzy, and Nyzhnya lying to the south of the city are all in Ukrainian hands as of Monday. While there is a lot of misinformation out there, its hard to deny western reports standing in the city centers filming Ukrainians unfurling flags.
Regarding Chernihiv, neither definition works as of today if they are pulling back their forces. I'm not certain they were ever fully cut off from outside resources anyways. It was a fairly porous southern line with supplies moving into the city.
Zaporizhia the city is fully free and was certainly never encircled. The Ukrainians are reported, but unconfirmed, taking back several villages within the Oblast of Zaporizhia just outside the city. The Russians aren't denying their entry into these areas, and I don't spend the time geolocating photos provided by the Ukrainian ministry of defense. Give it 24 hours and we'll know for certain. It was pretty telling when Mariupol was evacuating people to Zaporizhia that the city was never besieged.
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Zaporizhia, looks to be in Russian held territory. Russians do hold the nuclear plant there still. Check out Chernihiv on the map as well. Things are fluid I'm sure.
"Governor of Chernihiv region says he sees no let-up in Russian attacks despite their pledge to scale down their offensive in the area."
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Zaporizhia, looks to be in Russian held territory. Russians do hold the nuclear plant there still. Check out Chernihiv on the map as well. Things are fluid I'm sure.
"Governor of Chernihiv region says he sees no let-up in Russian attacks despite their pledge to scale down their offensive in the area."
Now, I am not sure if we are referring to the same city. Using that map Zaporizhia clearly falls well outside of Russian Territory.
Using that same map it does not appear that Chernihiv is encircled.
There is a difference between the administrative district or region (aka Oblast) and the city itself.
For example:
"Heavy shelling targeted Chernihiv, Nizhyn overnight. Civilian infrastructure destroyed" Would be a report of the town of Nizhyn within the Chernihiv Oblast and may have triggered the Governor's statement, or perhaps it was the overnight shelling in Chernihiv itself.
From this map you can see that Nizhyn (sp?) is located some 40 miles southwest of the city center. Is the Governor talking about direct assaults on the city? or merely intermittent shelling within the district?
If its merely shelling, then it could be for a number of reasons.
Likely that report I referred to has more to do with actions associated with the ongoing Russian attempt to reestablish a supply corridor to the Russian forces near the NE of Kiev than anything to do with Chernihiv, as the Ukrainians keep hitting their supply convoys headed down M02/E101.
You may remember a tank force that took that route and headed south to Brovary on M01. If that leaves you scratching your head and questioning why that much force bypassed an enemy stronghold and logistic intersection like Nizhyn without securing it, entrapping or otherwise neutralizing it, I'm right there with ya.
I would normally hyperbolically state that the commander should be shot, but as the Ukrainians already did that, it would probably be poor form.
Any of you guys with more knowledge on the situation over there know if Russia has destroyed a bunch of large Grain Handling Facilities in Ukraine?
Ukraine being one of the top 3 or 4 Wheat and Corn exporting countries I'm curious about this. Also that I make my living farming has my interest on this subject.
Of course my FIL who thinks all the lefty MSM is gospel says that was their first task. Getting tired of hearing that side of the story...
Ukraine being one of the top 3 or 4 Wheat and Corn exporting countries I'm curious about this. Also that I make my living farming has my interest on this subject.
Of course my FIL who thinks all the lefty MSM is gospel says that was their first task. Getting tired of hearing that side of the story...
i "heard" that russians avoided central ukraine so as not to disrupt food production. fwiw. i have not heard anything specific.
i wish these "discussions" could be less adversarial.
The wife had the TV tuned to Fox while I was warming up my motorcycle, getting ready to go to work.
As I was pouring coffee into my thermos, I noticed on the TV, a vid of a Ukrainian BMP sitting next to some apartments.
About 10 seconds later some retard was whining about the Russkies blowing up apartment buildings.
Can't make this shit up!
As I was pouring coffee into my thermos, I noticed on the TV, a vid of a Ukrainian BMP sitting next to some apartments.
About 10 seconds later some retard was whining about the Russkies blowing up apartment buildings.
Can't make this shit up!
this is what "freedom fighters" did in syria...it is their mo.The wife had the TV tuned to Fox while I was warming up my motorcycle, getting ready to go to work.
As I was pouring coffee into my thermos, I noticed on the TV, a vid of a Ukrainian BMP sitting next to some apartments.
About 10 seconds later some retard was whining about the Russkies blowing up apartment buildings.
Can't make this shit up!
throw a grenade into an open market and blame the "regime".
They can surely make shit up. Do it all the time.
Apparently Ukraine has some pretty potent artillery... 1000 mile range
Apparently Ukraine has some pretty potent artillery... 1000 mile range
So apparently the Ukrainians we're able to build back better and improve upon the Schwerer Gustav. Somehow, they were able to increase it's range by about 1500%
Speaking of Nazis.
Remember these are the good Nazis... according to cnn
Remember these are the good Nazis... according to cnn
The writers at CNN think everyone is a Nazi
I have only heard of Russian forces destroying oil production, or siezing nuclear plants. From what I know, and that's limited, Russia has laid off the food supplies.
Separate question for you: There is a lot of talk about grain shortages here, Biden has mentioned it, other leaders have mentioned this. So, knowing this can we not mobilize our own wheat growing capacity quickly? I know there are probably a lot of farmers out in Montana and North/South Dakota that would have the capacity.
Not really quickly. You have several things working against that: the increasing price of wheat, fertilizer, diesel, etc. These all reduce the profit margin on a commodity that is thin on profit to begin with. You also have the seasonality issue as well TIME. Time is a big deal. Not just time to grow, but time to harvest (combine), store to wait for the ability to process, processing time, supply chain issues, etc.
While all of these factors have been present, in the past year the ones I mentioned have really raised up to the top as factors to prevent it getting to the end consumer in a timely and affordable fashion. We can have capacity but have it be cost and time prohibitive to grow it for the needs at hand.
Wheat country kind of is what it is for the last 15 yrs... where it's common they use a rotation with other crops so you won't really see acres go up. That coupled with insane fertilizer prices guys will elect to grow beans and not fertilize them rather than add wheat acres back in and get hit with high input price of fertilizer.
The typical corn/bean country just doesn't see wheat grown due to less revenue. Granted now with $10+ wheat there could be some guys that add it back to the rotation. Corn and Soybean futures are also $6+ and $14.50+ respectively so its easier to stick with Corn and Beans.
Wheat is susceptible to so many discounts at the time its delivered to elevator it falls out of favor with lots of guys.
The typical corn/bean country just doesn't see wheat grown due to less revenue. Granted now with $10+ wheat there could be some guys that add it back to the rotation. Corn and Soybean futures are also $6+ and $14.50+ respectively so its easier to stick with Corn and Beans.
Wheat is susceptible to so many discounts at the time its delivered to elevator it falls out of favor with lots of guys.
I get it that we are exposed to major information war over Ukraine, but it seems things in virtual space are clouding the reality on the ground.
War is now one month old, by any standard of wartime draft Ukraine should by now have a multi-million strong army with 2-3 week of basic training +300k or so they had under arms for 8 y before the War . Even when it all kicked off Ukraine held a considerable numerical advantage in every sphere , tanks, armors, artilery, except air.
Media war says 200k or so inept Russian troops stretched thin over the long front line with overstretched logistics and 600+k Ukrainians but more likely well over a million with an unlimited supply of arms, that are often more modern than those fielded by Russians, unlimited budget curtesy of US and EU taxpayers, absolutely unrivaled intel capability courtesy of NATO and safe havens to train and equip in Poland, jet Ukrainians are still absolutely unable to maneuver and bring any numbers to bare . For all intents and purposes, they still losing ground on all fronts with taking an occasional village or two in the north while having at minimum 4-5+:1 numerical advantage.
War is now one month old, by any standard of wartime draft Ukraine should by now have a multi-million strong army with 2-3 week of basic training +300k or so they had under arms for 8 y before the War . Even when it all kicked off Ukraine held a considerable numerical advantage in every sphere , tanks, armors, artilery, except air.
Media war says 200k or so inept Russian troops stretched thin over the long front line with overstretched logistics and 600+k Ukrainians but more likely well over a million with an unlimited supply of arms, that are often more modern than those fielded by Russians, unlimited budget curtesy of US and EU taxpayers, absolutely unrivaled intel capability courtesy of NATO and safe havens to train and equip in Poland, jet Ukrainians are still absolutely unable to maneuver and bring any numbers to bare . For all intents and purposes, they still losing ground on all fronts with taking an occasional village or two in the north while having at minimum 4-5+:1 numerical advantage.
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