Is something going on in Ukraine?

[RGStory]

Another lesson to be learned from this is that concealment from the eyes in the sky is even more important. Just because you cannot see them or hear them, it doesn't mean they aren't watching you.

This is the greatest game changer I see being implemented into conventional warfare. What was previously an exclusively American advantage has now become everyone's. It won't be too long before drones with thermals are being used on the battlefield.

With the ubiquity of small capable drones in the hands of squad and team sized elements the command coordination is sped up. "Network Centric Warfare" is really coming into its own here, but now we are seeing this capacity in the hands of militaries with less developed assets and at a smaller unit levels.

It used to be up to the long range drone with advanced electronics being fed to the COC then to the unit front line commanders. Now, we have front line commanders operating their own set of drones to coordinate field elements with very low cost of training, equipment, and implementation.

Dangerous.
I presume the next stage will be directional jammers and other ECM means to disable the drones, but what range would you need?
The power consumption for the vehicle borne anti-IED ECM system was a problem and only gave us a few hundred yards IIRC. The manpack version even less. The drone we see in that footage is hovering around 1000 ft.

 

[RGStory]

The drones + artillery is scary effective.

I wouldn't call the Russians "precise" though. Yeah they are hitting the trenches but if you watch as it pans out they've turned that whole area into a WW1 no man's land.

There were also "lighter" impacts across the field of view if you look closely. So perhaps there was a smaller mortar team nearby also?

Supposedly, this is going on across the entire eastern front of Ukraine. I'd love to take a look at the logistics planning necessary for this.

 

[BytorJr]

This is the greatest game changer I see being implemented into conventional warfare. What was previously an exclusively American advantage has now become everyone's. It won't be too long before drones with thermals are being used on the battlefield.

With the ubiquity of small capable drones in the hands of squad and team sized elements the command coordination is sped up. "Network Centric Warfare" is really coming into its own here, but now we are seeing this capacity in the hands of militaries with less developed assets and at a smaller unit levels.

It used to be up to the long range drone with advanced electronics being fed to the COC then to the unit front line commanders. Now, we have front line commanders operating their own set of drones to coordinate field elements with very low cost of training, equipment, and implementation.

Dangerous.
I presume the next stage will be directional jammers and other ECM means to disable the drones, but what range would you need?
The power consumption for the vehicle borne anti-IED ECM system was a problem and only gave us a few hundred yards IIRC. The manpack version even less. The drone we see in that footage is hovering around 1000 ft.

Then your ECM is then attacked with something like a HARM missile and the game begins again. You're analysis is excellent!!

 

[RGStory]

Russia: We're here to "de-nazify" Ukraine.
Also Russia: We hand out medals to russian neo-nazis who murder civilians.

There are dozens of verified instances of self declared NAZI's fighting within the Russian armed services. The Ukrainians have dead Russians all tatted up with NAZI shit and there are photos of Russians' openly displaying NAZI paraphernalia in their own social media.

So we all know that there are isolated accounts of finding self declared NAZI's on both sides, and all reasonable persons know that the Russian excuse of denazification is fictitious. So the Russians lie, now what? The war goes on and that truth doesn't change the reality of what's happening on the ground.

Beyond a few people on here who seem to solely rely on Russian media sources, you are acting as if accepting the Russian lie is the temperament of the entire site. While, I applaud your passion at debunking disinformation, I feel as if you are swinging a bit too wide. They are presenting data points that is all. Some of the Russian sources do provide some useful information even if it serves only as a contrast. I recommend that you take it for what it is and move on. If you have additional information to add, please do so, but the caustic approach is disengaging.

By the way, that person in that picture you used, is a truly sadistic son of a bitch. I don't know how much you found on him, but he is clearly a sociopath and definitely a declared NAZI. If this is the same person I read about, Anonymous already tracked him down and spilled out all his personal information and social media posts. Not only did he acknowledge them but he continued to go on a rant about exterminating non-ethnic Russians. At least, I think this is the same individual as that image you used is from his social media account, IIRC.

I could go check, but as I have no intention of posting the images here and I'd prefer not to look at them again, you'll have to go seek confirmation for yourself if you are so inclined. In the meantime, as I know you are a fan of meme's, here is a fun one I found that addresses this topic.

 

[RGStory]

Then your ECM is then attacked with something like a HARM missile and the game begins again. You're analysis is excellent!!

I'm curious if we won't go towards testing drones that hunt other drones or perhaps a crew served radar operated anti-drone device. If the latter, I expect we will see a lot of dead birds on the battlefield. Imagine pheasant hunting with radar guided Vulcan gun firing 22LR or .17HMR's!

As much as I loathe looking too closely for historical parallels I can't help but recall that the first manned flight aerial devices were just for observation only, and before long we started weaponizing them on the battlefield during WWI.

Later the large loitering predator sized drones used in the first gulf war were not armed and then later they were armed with missiles. Already the Ukrainians started attaching munitions back in 2014 to the smaller drones with limited success.

Similarly, I expect we will see both solutions come into the fold. First ground based anti-drone systems, then later aerial based anti-drone systems.

If true, guess I'll need to apologize for bemoaning all those Xbox warriors who were taking over barracks life as I was leaving. Perhaps it wasn't that they were ill acclimated to the military, but rather that I was out of touch and they were ahead of their time, honing skills I didn't know we would on day need.

 

[BytorJr]

I'm curious if we won't go towards testing drones that hunt other drones or perhaps a crew served radar operated anti-drone device. If the latter, I expect we will see a lot of dead birds on the battlefield. Imagine pheasant hunting with radar guided Vulcan gun firing 22LR or .17HMR's!

As much as I loathe looking too closely for historical parallels I can't help but recall that the first manned flight aerial devices were just for observation only, and before long we started weaponizing them on the battlefield during WWI.

Later the large loitering predator sized drones used in the first gulf war were not armed and then later they were armed with missiles. Already the Ukrainians started attaching munitions back in 2014 to the smaller drones with limited success.

Similarly, I expect we will see both solutions come into the fold. First ground based anti-drone systems, then later aerial based anti-drone systems.

If true, guess I'll need to apologize for bemoaning all those Xbox warriors who were taking over barracks life as I was leaving. Perhaps it wasn't that they were ill acclimated to the military, but rather that I was out of touch and they were ahead of their time, honing skills I didn't know we would on day need.

At current rate, we will approach that Star Trek episode where the people walk willingly into their destruction chamber instead of having a war that decimates physical buildings and kills people.

 

[Longshot231]

At current rate, we will approach that Star Trek episode where the people walk willingly into their destruction chamber instead of having a war that decimates physical buildings and kills people.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/09/us-military-marines-nazi-ss-flag-photo

Nazis every where... ahhh...

 

[lariat]

It won't be too long before drones with thermals are being used on the battlefield.

I presume the next stage will be directional jammers and other ECM means to disable the drones, but what range would you need?
The power consumption for the vehicle borne anti-IED ECM system was a problem and only gave us a few hundred yards IIRC. The manpack version even less. The drone we see in that footage is hovering around 1000 ft.

All of this is already in play, a lot of it unclassified and on display for purchase at military trade shows.

 

[lariat]

I'm curious if we won't go towards testing drones that hunt other drones or perhaps a crew served radar operated anti-drone device. If the latter, I expect we will see a lot of dead birds on the battlefield. Imagine pheasant hunting with radar guided Vulcan gun firing 22LR or .17HMR's!

As much as I loathe looking too closely for historical parallels I can't help but recall that the first manned flight aerial devices were just for observation only, and before long we started weaponizing them on the battlefield during WWI.

Later the large loitering predator sized drones used in the first gulf war were not armed and then later they were armed with missiles. Already the Ukrainians started attaching munitions back in 2014 to the smaller drones with limited success.

Similarly, I expect we will see both solutions come into the fold. First ground based anti-drone systems, then later aerial based anti-drone systems.

100% correct. The evolution of drone technology is headed down the same path as ww1 planes and is quickly escalating into drone one drone measures. This is not only in the air but on the ground. AI is changing things so rapidly that the battlefield has been permanently changed. TTPs are changing in response as well, but it is happening slower than the technology is advancing.

 

[RGStory]

All of this is already in play, a lot of it unclassified and on display for purchase at military trade shows.

We see Thermal being used on hog hunts already, so I assumed there is some military hardware, but by "on the battlefield", I should have been more specific to, "videos on youtube of commercial thermal cameras on drones being used in Ukraine to assist targeting and engagement of personnel under concealment."

Regarding the ECM dedicated for drones, I was not aware it was already at trade shows. Do you have some information that could guide a search for this if I wanted to go read up on it?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

RuAf bombing the last remaining Ukraine forces in Mariupol.



Cruise missiles hit train station in kramatorsk.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

We see Thermal being used on hog hunts already, so I assumed there is some military hardware, but by "on the battlefield", I should have been more specific to, "videos on youtube of commercial thermal cameras on drones being used in Ukraine to assist targeting and engagement of personnel under concealment."

Regarding the ECM dedicated for drones, I was not aware it was already at trade shows. Do you have some information that could guide a search for this if I wanted to go read up on it?

They work really well on nutria rat too. Had this one since 2008.

 

[RGStory]

RuAf bombing the last remaining Ukraine forces in Mariupol.



Cruise missiles hit train station in kramatorsk.

Queue the Russia MOD's assertion that the Ukrainians were just committing advanced suicide.

 

[RGStory]

They work really well on nutria rat too. Had this one since 2008.

Mounted to drones.

 

[lariat]

Look up some of trade shows for this year - Xponential, AeroDef and others that are international in scope, usually held in KSA, EU, etc.

My team was flying two weeks ago in a series of exercises against some counter UAS systems. When we finished we discussed the weaknesses of all the platforms and how we could overcome each others systems so that we produce better and faster systems for our warfighters. We are not the only ones who are brainstorming like this and then pushing the knowledge into AI.

The true next step of all of this is to incorporate autonomous systems in at the squad level as a team member, not as a tool. Once that happens it is going to get real interesting. Right now we are training users to do just that, modifying technologies and suggesting tactics to accommodate this. Once the end user thinks about a drone as an extension of their force and not just another tool I know they have shifted their mind in the right direction and the real uses - ways that we haven't even thought of - open up to them and give distinct advantages. This sounds extreme but it will not be long until our forces will be working alongside AI enabled systems as opposed to merely utilizing them.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Queue the Russia MOD's assertion that the Ukrainians were just committing advanced suicide.

.... I got nothing on that one.

Mounted to drones.

I need to get me one of them!

 

[theLBC]

Ukraine’s Army has been Defeated; all that is left is Mop-Up | EU | Before It's News

Larry C Johnson; veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, claims the Ukrainian Army has been defeated up and all that’s left is “mop-up”. The veteran who provided training to the US Military’s Special Operations community for 24 years sat down with Mike Whitney...

beforeitsnews.com

 

[RGStory]

Look up some of trade shows for this year - Xponential, AeroDef and others that are international in scope, usually held in KSA, EU, etc.

My team was flying two weeks ago in a series of exercises against some counter UAS systems. When we finished we discussed the weaknesses of all the platforms and how we could overcome each others systems so that we produce better and faster systems for our warfighters. We are not the only ones who are brainstorming like this and then pushing the knowledge into AI.

The true next step of all of this is to incorporate autonomous systems in at the squad level as a team member, not as a tool. Once that happens it is going to get real interesting. Right now we are training users to do just that, modifying technologies and suggesting tactics to accommodate this. Once the end user thinks about a drone as an extension of their force and not just another tool I know they have shifted their mind in the right direction and the real uses - ways that we haven't even thought of - open up to them and give distinct advantages. This sounds extreme but it will not be long until our forces will be working alongside AI enabled systems as opposed to merely utilizing them.

That's awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Some light reading for this weekend.

I went down a strange rabbit hole for a while by following drone development in Balkan countries. I think what fascinated me was the adeptness and speed to which these smaller states were adopting drones. I for one was not surprised to see the Turkish drone successes in the recent border conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Although in retrospect, had we been watching more carefully, we should have been able to drawn better conclusions from that conflict and its implications on the Russian performance in Ukraine. There were some tale-tale signs of things to come.

 

[RGStory]

I need to get me one of them!

I keep telling myself the same thing!

I've been playing around with picking up the FLIR Vue Pro, but since I really don't get any flight time with the few RunCam Night Eagle's I have bought, I can't justify it over more ammo or other toys.

If you have the itch, see below:

Infrared Camera Cores | FLIR Camera Cores & Components | Teledyne FLIR

From longwave to midwave to shortwave IR, FLIR's thermal camera cores are designed for easy and efficient integration into higher level assemblies and platforms.

www.flir.com

 

[BCP]

Ukraine’s Army has been Defeated; all that is left is Mop-Up | EU | Before It's News

Larry C Johnson; veteran of the CIA and the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, claims the Ukrainian Army has been defeated up and all that’s left is “mop-up”. The veteran who provided training to the US Military’s Special Operations community for 24 years sat down with Mike Whitney...

beforeitsnews.com

Lmfao

 

[RGStory]

Lmfao

Agreed. Larry Johnson came to the same conclusion within two weeks of the war.
He is still wrong, but he keeps doubling down.
I'm starting to understand why the CIA chose to not retain him as an entry level analyst.

 

[quietmike]

You defend them for me while I sit here and wait. Nowhere in here did I say anything about liking or defending the left. Try hard not to move those goalposts mkay.

If you're not a lefty, why would you take umbrage at me pointing out that lefties are parasitic hypocrites?

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

 

[pmclaine]

This is the greatest game changer I see being implemented into conventional warfare. What was previously an exclusively American advantage has now become everyone's. It won't be too long before drones with thermals are being used on the battlefield.

With the ubiquity of small capable drones in the hands of squad and team sized elements the command coordination is sped up. "Network Centric Warfare" is really coming into its own here, but now we are seeing this capacity in the hands of militaries with less developed assets and at a smaller unit levels.

It used to be up to the long range drone with advanced electronics being fed to the COC then to the unit front line commanders. Now, we have front line commanders operating their own set of drones to coordinate field elements with very low cost of training, equipment, and implementation.

Dangerous.
I presume the next stage will be directional jammers and other ECM means to disable the drones, but what range would you need?
The power consumption for the vehicle borne anti-IED ECM system was a problem and only gave us a few hundred yards IIRC. The manpack version even less. The drone we see in that footage is hovering around 1000 ft.

There is a reason our own military is training to fight in sewers and underground utility corridors.

Drones are going to be unimaginably, well I can imagine, horrible.

It will be to the coming war what the machine gun was to WWI.

I actually welcome an EMP if its kills all the technology.

 

[pmclaine]

RuAf bombing the last remaining Ukraine forces in Mariupol.



Cruise missiles hit train station in kramatorsk.

Such a fucking waste.

If we had had the balls to stop the steal this would not be happening.

Stolen elections have consequences.

 

[pmclaine]

Look up some of trade shows for this year - Xponential, AeroDef and others that are international in scope, usually held in KSA, EU, etc.

My team was flying two weeks ago in a series of exercises against some counter UAS systems. When we finished we discussed the weaknesses of all the platforms and how we could overcome each others systems so that we produce better and faster systems for our warfighters. We are not the only ones who are brainstorming like this and then pushing the knowledge into AI.

The true next step of all of this is to incorporate autonomous systems in at the squad level as a team member, not as a tool. Once that happens it is going to get real interesting. Right now we are training users to do just that, modifying technologies and suggesting tactics to accommodate this. Once the end user thinks about a drone as an extension of their force and not just another tool I know they have shifted their mind in the right direction and the real uses - ways that we haven't even thought of - open up to them and give distinct advantages. This sounds extreme but it will not be long until our forces will be working alongside AI enabled systems as opposed to merely utilizing them.

Just download them with the enemies identifiers and let them go "aware".

 

[theLBC]

There is a reason our own military is training to fight in sewers and underground utility corridors.

Drones are going to be unimaginably, well I can imagine, horrible.

It will be to the coming war what the machine gun was to WWI.

I actually welcome an EMP if its kills all the technology.

imaging trying to evade something like this.

 

[Sako man]

imaging trying to evade something like this.

Imagine when that kinda thing explodes, or has a shape charge!

 

[akmike47]

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Russia: We're here to "de-nazify" Ukraine.
Also Russia: We hand out medals to russian neo-nazis who murder civilians.
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The Nazis ruined a bunch of stuff both of those were in use well before the Nazis ever existed.

The totenkopf was used by the Hussars and obviously the other is a Norse symbol.

 

[akmike47]

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Id put my peepee in her Pepe

 

[RGStory]

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The Nazis ruined a bunch of stuff both of those were in use well before the Nazis ever existed.

The totenkopf was used by the Hussars and obviously the other is a Norse symbol.

Yes it was, and the swastika was a symbol used by the US 45th Infantry Division prior to WWII to show affiliation with Native Americans.

I'd agree that the intent matters. So, why does the unit in that photo use those symbols?

Fortunately we have the self declared purpose of Rauch being easily accessible from public interviews.
I believe that is Aleksei Milchakov (Алексей Мильчаков). He is a member of Rusich.
They openly declare that they are Russian NAZI's.

This is where he got his start:

This is where he was a few years ago:

This is where they were at recently:

In his interviews and social media posts he discusses extermination of non-ethnic Russians from Russian territories.
He has posted videos of him mutilating corpses by cutting off their ears and carving swastika's into them and openly claims to have targeted civilians who were not Russians as a necessary function to cleanse an area. Fuck that guy.

Putin is sending Russian NAZI's to fight Ukrainian NAZI's purportedly to save Ukraine from NAZI's. Putin is trolling the entire world.

 

[GenericBadGuy]

If you're not a lefty, why would you take umbrage at me pointing out that lefties are parasitic hypocrites?

Mostly because you went full on boomer and yelled at the sky with the old HAA GOTCHA post there. Honestly killing the choir doesn't make a great sound. Besides that I can't be both a liberal and a neoconservative at the same time so yall make up your mind.

 

[akmike47]

Yes it was, and the swastika was a symbol used by the US 45th Infantry Division prior to WWII to show affiliation with Native Americans.

I'd agree that the intent matters. So, why does the unit in that photo use those symbols?

Fortunately we have the self declared purpose of Rauch being easily accessible from public interviews.
I believe that is Aleksei Milchakov (Алексей Мильчаков). He is a member of Rusich.
They openly declare that they are Russian NAZI's.

This is where he got his start:
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This is where he was a few years ago:
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This is where they were at recently:
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In his interviews and social media posts he discusses extermination of non-ethnic Russians from Russian territories.
He has posted videos of him mutilating corpses by cutting off their ears and carving swastika's into them and openly claims to have targeted civilians who were not Russians as a necessary function to cleanse an area. Fuck that guy.

Putin is sending Russian NAZI's to fight Ukrainian NAZI's purportedly to save Ukraine from NAZI's. Putin is trolling the entire world.

I wasn't saying anything about him one way or the other, just saying the Nazis adopted and changed stuff. They were terribly unoriginal.

 

[theLBC]

Former US Ambassador to Russia: ‘No Evidence Russia to Blame in Bucha’ During CNN Interview | VT Foreign Policy

www.veteranstoday.com

 

[pmclaine]

Former US Ambassador to Russia: ‘No Evidence Russia to Blame in Bucha’ During CNN Interview | VT Foreign Policy

www.veteranstoday.com

Jack Matlock promoting me to Corporal...

with the Part of the Marine Det....

 

[OldSalty2]

Besides that I can't be both a liberal and a neconservative at the same time so yall make up your mind.

Mitt, is that you?

 

[GenericBadGuy]

Mitt, is that you?

No old man.

 

[quietmike]

Mostly because you went full on boomer and yelled at the sky with the old HAA GOTCHA post there. Honestly killing the choir doesn't make a great sound. Besides that I can't be both a liberal and a neoconservative at the same time so yall make up your mind.

 

[Mr.BR]

What gives here ? looks like Ukrainians are arranging bodies in Bucha for better photo op. Still what is up with dragging bodies with ropes vs manhandling them into place ,too decomposed to handle the mess? Couldn't they at least drive an APC or a tank over or is everyone expected to believe that Russians took a slalom course with their tanks and APCs carefully avoiding all the bodies on the street? Bucha looks staged as fuck .and honestls bodies are one commodity not rare in warzones so can be done without too much effort.


1.Sat photos of bodies allegedly taken on March 19 according to NYT story - you can imagine how they would look April 2nd when the recordings were made.
2.Dead civilans in the initial Ukrainan video wear white armbands, those that were with hands tied behind their backs have them tied with the cloth from white armbands. Some had Russian ration packages on them.
3.Stay at home cleansing operation is going on announced by Ukrainians on 1st april. Ukrainian national police posted on their website ''We are conducting a cleansing operation in Bucha and we are targeting Russian saboteurs and colaborators (aka civilians)'' SAFARI unit in action
(note that Ukrainians literally accused the Russians to have conducted a Safari on the civilians)
4.Member of SAFARI unit posted a video where there is literally someone asking command on coms '' they are not wearing the blue (ribbons Ukrainians wear) ,can i shoot them, and the answer over the coms '' Yes ''

Circumstantial evidence that would point to Ukrainians is at least as strong as the evidence showing Russians did it. Lets just say that being suspected of collaboration gets you killed in most wars, more so when you are of the wrong ethnicity.

Special Forces Regiment SAFARI Begins Clearing Operation in Bucha from Saboteurs and Accomplices of Russia - National Police

The EOD experts are inspecting the places of Russia’s war crimes and removing the explosives and ammunition which haven't detonated.

en.lb.ua

In any case we have to understand that what we get see is more or less approved 'propaganda' material, even non MSM 'media' self censors anything not in line with the narrative. Its not something anyone would even have to force upon the media, 2 years of COVID training in self censorship made sure that everyone with any reach in on board or cut out of the stream..

 

[BCP]

Russia has no interest in getting into any war in Ukraine or staging a false flag of any kind. There is also no troop concentration that would indicate any troop levels above those they typically have had in the last couple of years, even according to Ukrainian intel troops levels near the border are actually lower than they have been for the last couple of years. Some of these troops media is touting are fucking 400kilometers away from the Ukrainian border.

This has aged well lol.

As for Russian Army “war crimes” (murder, robbery, rapes etc) they did that stuff in Georgia, Chechnya, of course they are gonna do it in Ukraine. Its what they do, just an undisciplined herd of drunken Mongols with drones and artillery.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

So now Russia media is Claiming Ukraine fired a missile at their own rail station.

 

[RGStory]

So now Russia media is Claiming Ukraine fired a missile at their own rail station.

Advanced Complicated Suicide.
Russia is getting predictable these days.
Just trolling the world.

 

[BCP]

Advanced Complicated Suicide.
Russia is getting predictable these days.
Just trolling the world.

I thought putin was smart enough not to invade ukraine but I guess not.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Advanced Complicated Suicide.
Russia is getting predictable these days.
Just trolling the world.

I figured the Nazi’s did it...

 

[Mr.BR]

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So now Russia media is Claiming Ukraine fired a missile at their own rail station.

The missile system used is Tocka-U soviet era kit that was replaced in Russian service with Iskander but is widely used by Ukraine including previously in Donbas . But who knows stuff out of Ukraine is hard to follow what is true and what BS.They can allways pull one out of storage.

Krematorsk Tocka Serial Ш91597 says its Ukrainian inventory Tochka U same batch as others seen on the ground in Donbas in the past, but you can paint any serial you want if that is the point.




Meanwhile Germany running out of shit it can give to Ukraine.

In an interview with Die Augsburger Allgemeine Zeitung published on Saturday, Germany’s Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht told a German paper that while "we all have an obligation to support Ukraine in its courageous fight" with "supplies from the Bundeswehr's stockpiles" Germany has "reached [its] limit," and that the German military must be "able to ensure" the country's defense.To be sure, "...that doesn't mean we can't do more for Ukraine," Lambrecht added, suggesting that Kiev could directly buy equipment it needed from German manufacturers directly. The minister pointed out that the German government "was constantly coordinating" with the authorities in Kiev to facilitate such purchases.

 

[forthehunt]

So Ukraine has become that neighbour that's always coming around to "borrow" your shit but you can't tell them to fuck off because they are working two jobs, then you find out they're working two jobs because they had a fuck up whilst driving uninsured.