Is Something Happening with Nord Stream 1 and 2 under the Baltic Sea?
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Have to agree.
This is Cortez-level burning of ships event.
The water at these locations is 100 to 200 feet deep, and looking at the map of the locations, exactly outside territorial waters.
With right gear and training most any experience diver/ ROV operator of a nation-state could do this.
For the US to do it, due to our agreements, we'd need permission from one of the governments around the Baltic to travel through them to get to this point. Doing it without discussion would be a very bad thing.
The only two nation states I can see with something to gain long term are Poland and China.
Watch the Navy Blast Its Carrier With a 40,000-Pound Explosive—and Cause an Earthquake
Boom.
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40K explosives registers a 3.9 earthquake. The two blasts associated with the gas lines were 1.8, and 2.3. I don't think the explosives to resulting earthquake measurement is linear so I seriously doubt there's a way to use a single data point to extrapolate the probability of charge size, but I think we can assume quite confidently that the explosion was more than just a few pounds of explosives. That much gas coming to the surface, causing that my disruption, it was a pretty big boom that likely removed a large section of pipe, that's not going to be easy t patch up.
Branden
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East minus West = Zero.
Kind of like the old Indian trick of sabotaging your own cache. Stick some dog liver in there among the rest of the meat. LOL.
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I bet they work for this place
Watch the Navy Blast Its Carrier With a 40,000-Pound Explosive—and Cause an Earthquake
Boom.
40K explosives registers a 3.9 earthquake. The two blasts associated with the gas lines were 1.8, and 2.3. I don't think the explosives to resulting earthquake measurement is linear so I seriously doubt there's a way to use a single data point to extrapolate the probability of charge size, but I think we can assume quite confidently that the explosion was more than just a few pounds of explosives.
Branden
Orders of ten magnitude. 40K is 3.9 so 4K is a 2.9 and then 400 is 1.9. So 500 pounds.
The US gov/military did it or Ukraine did it under the direction of the US gov/military. Biden already pledged gas to Europe. Be prepared to pay out the ass here if not have shortages.
Sorry, but fuck Europe. I have nothing in common with those lazy, grasping communists. They’ve choked themselves out, and I don’t care about them anymore.
That changed their name to Directorate of Operations......... But yep.
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That thing is at least a decade old. Probably vanish into thin air one day
I have done it lots of times in the Gulf. Sand, muck, crabs etc come out. It helps if they have liquid receiving and separation facilities at the receiving end. If you have to bring in temporary equipment, that is a pain. They will probably have to pig it several times. You have to be very careful regulating pressure and have experienced P/L operations people to run the pig. It can go south very fast. It would help to know if there are intermediate platforms along the route. If so, it cuts the pigging distance down.
This will not be a weekend fix.
Just you actually type that with a straight face?
But, how do you accommodate the fact that the item getting blown up was full of explosive gas?
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Underwater doesn’t need a direct hit to be successful. Probably wasn’t super close and sheared the pipes more than anything
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Damn near any redneck
Sirhr
Natural Gas by itself isn't explosive. It requires oxygen, and there's no oxygen in that pipe with the gas. Once it bubbles to the surface and gets exposed to the air, then there's the possibility of fire, but definitely not a risk 200' under water.
Branden
I guess they don't issue pillowcases and bars of soap in the Navy these days.
That would have been just the initial recourse in my unit (Marines).
Then it would escalate.....rapidly, if someone didn't get the "learnin's".
Fun story... while the British and French were building the Concord SST... the Sovs were trying to build their own SST. MI6 realized that the Soviets had Aerospatiele, the French agency, totally compromised and were trying to build their own SST, nicknamed "Concordski." So the Brits slipped in a 'fake' recipe for tire rubber for the Concord into the French Files, knowing it would be copied and sent to Moscow. The recipie created tires that were about as useful and rigid as chewing gum. The Soviets spent years and millons of rubles trying to make 'chewing gum' tires work on Concordski.
Before realizing they had been totally duped.
The Great Game is, indeed, a fun one. A Hall of Mirrors to quote Author Virgina Hall....
Sirhr
Putin Did IT
www.dailymail.co.uk
Western leaders blame 'deliberate' sabotage after Nordsteam pipeline
Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has said her government believes the leaks were caused by 'deliberate actions', adding that the pipeline will be out of action for around a week.
The NY ads for what to do in a nuc attack are starting to make more sense.
Putin says he will use them, and now this. Stupid fucks are inching us closer a yard at a time.
Putin says he will use them, and now this. Stupid fucks are inching us closer a yard at a time.
Nope, they issue body wash and those little poofy things women use for washing their front butt.
Branden
A couple observations
I don't know but I been told....the C_A has their own navy, including a nuclear sub or two.
If the pipelines were shut down anyway, where is all that gas at the surface coming from? Surely by the time aircraft were dispatched to investigate the leaks the pressure inside the inactive pipeline would have dissipated? Unless there were already aircraft watching that particular area in anticipation of such an event? Or are they satellite pics? Just throwing this out there because I didn't see it covered here yet. Just stirring more speculation.
I don't know but I been told....the C_A has their own navy, including a nuclear sub or two.
If the pipelines were shut down anyway, where is all that gas at the surface coming from? Surely by the time aircraft were dispatched to investigate the leaks the pressure inside the inactive pipeline would have dissipated? Unless there were already aircraft watching that particular area in anticipation of such an event? Or are they satellite pics? Just throwing this out there because I didn't see it covered here yet. Just stirring more speculation.
Or they would have shut the valves.
Makes one wonder if the pipeline was still in use, secretly defying sanctions?
Let's see what @jrhtx says. Is it cheaper to leave the pipeline pressurized instead of doing a full shut down even if no one is receiving on the other end?
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You would think even if shut down they would want to leave pressure in it to mitigate any corrosion.
If the pipe was empty and the ocean cooled (like in winter) the interior would get condensation.
I'm no expert (by a long shot) but it makes sense that you would not want corrosion from the inside.
Never even thought about it till now....but a pipeline under 100 foot or meters...whatever...would be conducive to condensation, but what I am really uncertain about is if pressurized, does the gas offset the condensation ???
Even at those depths the temperature of the sea water isn't anywhere close enough to cause natural gas to start to condense. Even if they kept the pressure at 1000psi (69bar) it doesn't start to enter that liquid and vapor stage until about -100 degrees F. My numbers are approximate, within 15% error I believe, assuming that i'm reading charts right...it's been a while since i've been required to understand those types of things.
Those pipelines transport natural gas in it's gaseous state, because they wouldn't be able to keep LNG cool enough to keep it in it's liquid state without refrigeration along it's way. From what I read, the LNG transportation ships keep it at -260 F at 4psi...but they can have systems to keep it cold along the way.
I doubt that they would allow anything besides natural gas in that line. There's not going to be any oxygen in it, and nobody is going to go through the expense to fill several hundred miles of pipeline with an inert gas when there's already natural gas in it. My thoughts, the line was ruptured through some sort of explosive, and all the gas rising to the surface is because you have a pipe that's a little over a meter in diameter, 745 miles long, that is having a bunch of sea water filling it, and displacing all the gases that were in the line when it was breached. Those gases are less dense than the sea water around it, and it's going to seek lower density...which means it's going to float up. Assuming the entire length of nord stream 1 were filled with sea water, that's about 300 million gallons. Gonna take a bit for it to fill up, especially with it being like a 745 mile long bottle of gases that was opened on one end under water.
Now would someone please go out there and light that fucker up, I wanna see video of it.
Branden
Bah, that's too much work. No time for that nonsense, there's fuckery to spread.
Branden
Ain't nobody got time fo dat.Exactly but this isn't hard it's one click you lazy shit
Let's go....Branden?
Branden
China has the biggest motivation to destroy the pipeline in my opinion. Make sure Europe is too busy with problems at home to be concerned about China's moves in the Pacific and the upcoming invasion of Taiwan. Biden and his administration have already outed themselves as cowards.
Rule #1 - countries don't have allies, they have interests.
Rule #1 - countries don't have allies, they have interests.
Probably not, Putin was using those pipelines as a tool against Europe, so why destroy your own weapons/tools. He was holding energy over Europes head. Besides both Biden and Victoria Neuland threatened the pipelines prior to the invasion. The Biden administration basically said we would take them out if Putin invades, and Putin invaded, so we blew them up. As well it works out for all those fuckers now selling oil from Norway, and helps push the green agenda, oil bad, go by a Tesla. Besides it possibly kicking off a major retaliation it works out way more for the US than Russia. But it's fucked, and it's insane, and it's stupid, and it's reckless as hell.
This will not end well.
This is near a tight passage in öresund, close to the danish island Bornholm on the Swedish southern coast. North of this, near Karlskrona, is a major swedish naval base. As such there will be very advanced submarine detection systems including seismic/vibration detection systems. You can be sure there is very accurate data on the event. Belief is that charges were placed long in advance by russian subs and/or or divers.
At this point nobody here will touch Russian gas as soon as Germany gets its shit together. More worrying is the very exposed Norwegian oil production. The Russians just sent Norway a message - look what we are willing to do - you may be next.
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