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The three products in the StaBALL line (6.5, Match, HD) are all billed as "temperature insensitive". They aren't to the level of the Hodgdon Extreme powders, but are head and shoulders better performing in this regard than any other ball powder.Is Staball 6,5 as stable?
Looks good for 6.5 and 22 creed. More stable than Superperformance, but near to it on the burn charts.
https://ballisticxlr.com/
it used to be like snipers hide ,,, now its a pay per view ,,, subscription only ... i have seen the data on
http://www.65creedmoor.com/?topic=2208.msg29499#msg29499
20 degree temp change won't move impact a mil at 1000. Look at the temps below for changes per degree. The most is 1.71 per degree. Using that and 20 degrees it comes out to about 34 degree change. Running my data on JBM, which I know is good, my load at 2895fps with the 140 AMAX is 7.9 mils at 50 degrees at 1000 yards. When I go up to 100 degrees it changes it to 7.6 mils. I have shot the H4350 loads from the teens to over 100 degrees with minimal chrono'd data shift. Might be a tenth or two at 1000. That is from the ammo being in those conditions. Granted that is with H4350 and not the new powders being used but even if they were more there still wouldn't be a full mil shift.
HS-6 1.21fps per *
H110/W296 1.24 fps per *
Imr4227 1.17fps per *
Lil' Gun 1.31 fps per *
RL10x .71 fps per*
Benchmark .44 fps per *
Imr3031 .73 fps per *
Imr8208xbr .59 fps per *
H4895 .23 fps per *
Alliant Varmint pro .89 fps per *
Alliant AR comp .77 fps per *
Varget .19 fps per *
W748 1.32 fps per *
Imr4064 .53 fps per *
Ramshot Tac .91 fps per *
Imr4895 .87 fps per *
AA4064 1.11 fps per *
AA2520 .98 fps per *
RL15 1.52 fps per * from 50* and up
PP2000MR .99 fps per *
Imr4320 1.32 fps per *
Ramshot Biggame .98 fps per *
H380 1.44 fps per *
VV N150 1.08 fps per *
H414/W760 1.42 fps per *
Imr4350 .64 fps per *
AA4350 .47 fps per *
H4350 .29 fps per *
RL17 1.42 fps per *
Hybrid 100v .78 fps per *
RL19 1.61 fps per *
VV N160 1.24 fps per *
Imr4831 1.19 fps per *
Ramshot Hunter .86 fps per *
H4831 .36 fps per *
RL22 1.71 fps per *
Imr7828 1.36 fps per *
Magpro 1.01 fps per *
H1000 .21 fps per *
RL25 1.59 fps per *
Ramshot Magnum .87 fps per *
Retumbo .49 fps per *
RL33, still trying to get my data for this one.
US869 1.68 fps per *
H50bmg 1.64 fps per *
Yeah, CFE 223 is wild as a March hare when it comes to temperature. At least the pound I bought was. I loaded some 6.5 Grendel with it and shot some loads on a 100 degree day. I had pretty nasty brass flow on the case heads and cratered primers that were on the verge of blanking, well below published max. I still had two or three more charge weights to test, and had to go home and pull bullets. I’m convinced it was the heat that caused the increased pressure. Might be an ok powder for recreational range use, but I will never load “field” cartridges with it again.Lever and CFE 223 are in that range, meter well, but seem way more temp sensitive.
And in that same burn range? Something that meters well and is suitable for a 223?
Lever and CFE 223 are in that range, meter well, but seem way more temp sensitive.
Anyone validated the chart below? Specifically asking for 223 and 308 loads.
Faster than Varget isn’t inherently a bad thing, Varget isn’t the be all end all powder for 308/223.Hey OP, Alliant pricing is bat shit crazy these days, forget AR comp! Guys mentioning XBR are crazy too, it’s unobtanium and faster than Varget.
Staball Match is THE answer to your question.
A mechanical powder thrower, not a digital powder meter/trickler.What are you all metering your powder with that you are getting such weight variations?
For precision, H4895 works best for me for 55gr. SBK's and 69gr. SMK's, but gets edged out by Varget for 77gr. SMK's. I use a modified Chargemaster 1500 and do not get the variations shown above (and I weigh every thrown charge with a laboratory balance).
He wants a powder that meters well, thus the recommendations for powders that meter well.OP asked about ball powders that were similar to Varget…
Why are you guys talking about unavailable stick powders he can’t get? (XBR & H4895]
absolutely agree I was only recommending AA2520 due to it being in the same burn rangeAA2520 is not as temperature stable as Varget.
Save some pussy for the rest of us!If stick powders are fair game, then OP should try these:
N135, N140, N540, SW Precision
These are in stock at most online powder vendors.
ARComp, 8208, H4895 and now Staball Match.I'm the OP.
Anything in that burn range and meters well.