How does it compare to a SIG Tango4 3-12? I'm in the market for decent glass and frustrated with the middle ground I usually shop (~$1000-1500). If I'm gonna get something I don't exactly want, paying 1/6 the money is a lot more palatable.
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dont say nuthin bad bouts muh Lee-o-pold! Theys the best scope made! The glass is like turnin on a spotlight, the tracking is perfection, and it's 110% made in 'murica! especially the glass.Nightforce and Leupold will be communist optics the way this country is going. Next year if we do mail in ballots
Sir, while I greatly appreciate the time you took to provide through-scope pics, I feel that I must alert you to what can only be a serious hazard to your safety as a shooter; in the second pic, your weapon has apparently been assembled backwards, as the bolt handle and safety can both be clearly seen on the left side of the rifle. As a fellow SH member and shooter, I'd surely hate to hear about an injury occurring that could have been so easily prevented. See something, say something, right? ;-)Through the scope pictures and a comparison to my Razor Gen2 3-18 at 400 yards. I tried to get the Razor around 12x for comparison.View attachment 7334106
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I'll let you decide which is better. I'm not complaining one bit about the Bushnell. The turrets actually track, the reticle is useful, and the glass is good. It has also held up to my M1A so far. They're known to be hard on optics.
dont say nuthin bad bouts muh Lee-o-pold! Theys the best scope made! The glass is like turnin on a spotlight, the tracking is perfection, and it's 110% made in 'murica! especially the glass.
(kidding. lately every thread I've seen where someone mentions leupold, this is the kind of response that it gets from irate Leupold defenders)
Funny. China has the bomb. They built stealth aircraft. They may steal or buy all the tech, but they do have it. Those other countries; nope. Not standing up for China. But it is what it is. We used to make jokes about Japanese products ( I am going way back because I am old as dirt) but the point is that quality can be there. But China is a totalitarian country with Commie ideology. So there's that.Yep. I'll buy scopes from Japan, Korea, or Taiwan, but there is no room for Chinese shit in my gun safe![]()
100yd focus was full infinite on the knob, blurry past 200yds.@Bender What was off about the parallax?
Two of the three were found fine. I called Doug and talked to him briefly, he said he has sold hundreds of them and mine was the second one that came back. Call him and discuss. There are not many left of them,I’m about to order a new pair of bino’s from Cameraland and I can’t make up my mind if I want to pick up a Nitro for a cheap hunting scope. Reviews seem mixed, I just don’t know if I want to spend the time and effort playing the return game with Bushnell if I get a dud.
I'd buy this over an Athlon Argos BTR even if the Argos had better glass simply because of the tool-less zero.
The fact that a $250 scope has a zeroing system 95% as good as a Tangent Theta proves that there is no excuse for the garbage (in comparison) systems from S&B, NF, or even ZCO. Having to precisely line up the turret while tightening a set screw is ridiculous when the turrets are splined anyways and there's easy ways to make sure the markings are always aligned without having to use any tools. I'm sick and tired of busting out a wrench and trying to line it up just right every time I re-zero because I swapped the scope between guns (easy with a Spuhr mount), tweaked a load to adjust for throat erosion/try a new bullet, or just plain shot in a different place with different conditions that can change your zero by a tenth or three.
It's just my pet peeve, but I think tool-less zero should become an industry standard feature across all brands in the same way it's become industry standard to offer at least one FFP mil/mil scope with a tree reticle. This Bushnell proves it can be done even for budget scopes, and they didn't spend all of the manufacturing budget on the turrets either since the rest of it still seems to be as good or better than the competition in its price range.
How does tool less zero work? I have the cheapest Athlon 6-24 FFP I could get on amazon, and after getting it on at 100 yards I pulled the turret screw, put the turret at zero and put the screw back in. It took all of about a minute, and I thought it was the easiest and coolest thing ever. If conditions change your zero changes right? Shooting for a 5,000 foot change in DA changes your zero, So don't you dial different anyways?I'd buy this over an Athlon Argos BTR even if the Argos had better glass simply because of the tool-less zero.
The fact that a $250 scope has a zeroing system 95% as good as a Tangent Theta proves that there is no excuse for the garbage (in comparison) systems from S&B, NF, or even ZCO. Having to precisely line up the turret while tightening a set screw is ridiculous when the turrets are splined anyways and there's easy ways to make sure the markings are always aligned without having to use any tools. I'm sick and tired of busting out a wrench and trying to line it up just right every time I re-zero because I swapped the scope between guns (easy with a Spuhr mount), tweaked a load to adjust for throat erosion/try a new bullet, or just plain shot in a different place with different conditions that can change your zero by a tenth or three.
It's just my pet peeve, but I think tool-less zero should become an industry standard feature across all brands in the same way it's become industry standard to offer at least one FFP mil/mil scope with a tree reticle. This Bushnell proves it can be done even for budget scopes, and they didn't spend all of the manufacturing budget on the turrets either since the rest of it still seems to be as good or better than the competition in its price range.
Tool-less zero works by allowing you to change the zero on your turret without needing to bring tools along.How does tool less zero work? I have the cheapest Athlon 6-24 FFP I could get on amazon, and after getting it on at 100 yards I pulled the turret screw, put the turret at zero and put the screw back in. It took all of about a minute, and I thought it was the easiest and coolest thing ever. If conditions change your zero changes right? Shooting for a 5,000 foot change in DA changes your zero, So don't you dial different anyways?
Please don't take this as me being an a hole. These are real questions. I have only had my scope maybe 2 months. Everything I have read is shoot for conditions and adapt to the new conditions, That's why you make a dope book, so you know what to expect?
Tool-less zero works by allowing you to change the zero on your turret without needing to bring tools along.
For this Bushnell you unscrew the top of the cap, lift the turret, and place it back down on the splines where you want it. Same idea as the Athlon, but it doesn't require an allen key to remove the cap.
For many high-end scopes, such as a S&B, the zero process is much worse than that. You have to loosen two set screws without removing them, then carefully line up the turret with zero by eyeballing it because it doesn't sit on the splines. Then you have to tighten the set screws while keeping it perfectly at zero, which is a pain because usually it wants to slip half a tenth one way or the other while you're getting the wrench in and trying to tighten it down. Particularly on the Schmidt DT turrets, because the markings on the turret are so ridiculous tight together that even a small movement while tightening the set screws will mean the markings are off.
The Athlon zero process is fine, with removing the caps and setting them back on the spline in another setting. I prefer the process of re-zeroing an Athlon (I've previously owned an Argos BTR and an Ares ETR) to the process of re-zeroing my S&B actually. I just think it's a bit absurd that so many companies, Athlon included, are requiring you to use tools (even just a coin slot, which is worse than an allen key IMO) when simple and easy solutions to do it without tools exist. I've also previously had a Tangent Theta and honestly what I miss most of all from that scope was the tool-less re-zero. Now that they make one in my preferred reticle I will buy one again someday if I ever have the funds, because the turrets and the tool-less rezero are just so nice.
Tool-less zero works by allowing you to change the zero on your turret without needing to bring tools along.
For this Bushnell you unscrew the top of the cap, lift the turret, and place it back down on the splines where you want it. Same idea as the Athlon, but it doesn't require an allen key to remove the cap.