Israel, Palestine. Place bets now!

[theLBC]

King David hotel bombing, just saying.

is there a point to that? 1946 was before my time, but a response to the brits.

Operation Agatha (Saturday, June 29, 1946), sometimes called Black Sabbath (Hebrew: השבת השחור‎) or Black Saturday because it began on the Jewish sabbath, was a police and military operation conducted by the British authorities in Mandatory Palestine. Soldiers and police searched for arms and made arrests in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and several dozen settlements; the Jewish Agency was raided. The total number of British security forces involved is variously reported as 10,000, 17,000,[1] and 25,000. About 2,700 individuals were arrested, among them future Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett. The officially given purpose of the operation was to end "the state of anarchy" then existing in Palestine. Other objectives included obtaining documentary proof of Jewish Agency approval of sabotage operations by the Palmach and of an alliance between the Haganah and the more violent Lehi (Stern Gang) and Irgun, destroying the Haganah's military power, boosting army morale and preventing a coup d'état being mounted by the Lehi and Irgun.[2]

if you are saying that jewish people shouldn't have been fighting for their homeland, i would remind you of obama and the cia's "secret" war to arm "freedom fighters" (terrorists) in syria, even when they knew the trainees were joining al nusra front and other al queda or isis groups.
if you want to defend the abuses of the crown, i would be happy to debate the counter.
hint: UK knew the saddam wmd story was bullshit, and helped bush strong arm the UN into approving the war.
hint #2: british petroleum had already made the plans for the gulf>EU pipeline through syria, before the war started.
hint #3: reports of chemical attacks in syria were piped to the public through some asshole in england that got his "intel" from isis in syria.

 

[UKDslayer]

Personally, I think emboldened by their Mars landing, we will see the Chinee begin to stick their yellow little wallets into the equation. Then....

As I put in the other Israel Rocket thread, this may end up a bigger player than you think - the Chinese have already offered to "help" broker a deal - keep in mind they are outspoken proponents of Palestinian Independence and feel that they are entitled to Eastern Jerusalem in toto at the very least.

 

[Gee Kay]

is there a point to that? 1946 was before my time, but a response to the brits.



if you are saying that jewish people shouldn't have been fighting for their homeland, i would remind you of obama and the cia's "secret" war to arm "freedom fighters" (terrorists) in syria, even when they knew the trainees were joining al nusra front and other al queda or isis groups.
if you want to defend the abuses of the crown, i would be happy to debate the counter.
hint: UK knew the saddam wmd story was bullshit, and helped bush strong arm the UN into approving the war.
hint #2: british petroleum had already made the plans for the gulf>EU pipeline through syria, before the war started.
hint #3: reports of chemical attacks in syria were piped to the public through some asshole in england that got his "intel" from isis in syria.

king david hotel bombing was before my time also and you did say terrorists make a career for playing the victim. they were the terrorists that day and no one blinked an eyelid.

I don't have a dog in any fight, but like many I also have opinions. I look at all sides of a conflict with both eyes open.

the BS war on wmd's didn't stop it from happening, nor did the BS Afghan war end when obomba apparently got garbage bin lentil.

the innocent are the first victims of any war.

 

[chrome]

 

[Maggot]

As I put in the other Israel Rocket thread, this may end up a bigger player than you think - the Chinese have already offered to "help" broker a deal - keep in mind they are outspoken proponents of Palestinian Independence

I bet the Uyghurs appreciate the Chinese view.

Have I said recently, "Fuck the Chicoms"?

 

[TXAZ]

Bet on Israel. With any odds.

Israel: Disciplined and highly capable IDF with an ultimate “Samson Complex” nuclear forces with land , sea and air launch capability of 200+ small to medium nukes.

Arab states:
While living in the region, we noted open hostility (in order of intensity) between:

Most Arabs and Israel
Most Arabs and Palestinians
Shia and Sunni
Most Arabs and Iran
Many Arabs and the US
Many Arabs and Saudis

Additionally, many of the Middle East militaries show bravery but also a lack of discipline and effective organization compared to most Western militaries.

We will see in the coming months / years but I’ll bet on Israel.
Anyone want odds?

 

[W54/XM-388]

That most middle east countries have their militaries primarily to protect the rulers from the people and sometimes even need "elite forces" to protect the leaders from the military, while Israel has a military primarily focused on protecting their country from external enemies. An army comprised of their citizens from all walks of life who can be called up when their country is threatened, is a key difference in their capabilities.

Armies of those used to oppressing their weak fellow countrymen, soft and weak, unused to hard fighting.
Matched against an army used to fighting difficult battles in extreme situations where no quarter is given and it is fight and win or face fates worth than death.

Another key difference is for all the weapons the Arabs buy from all over the world, even their own "thinkers" admit they are like children playing with cool toys they bought.

Israel on the other hand is a big producer of their own advanced weapons systems, electronic warfare systems, as well as upgrading anything they buy. In a sustained confrontation, they will have a decided advantage.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Eight Warning Signs You Might Be Sharing Office Space With Terrorists

It's all too common in corporate America: you're hanging out by the water cooler and you suddenly think to yourself, "Hey, wait a minute -- is that guy over there with the AK-47 part of a violent insurgent group internationally recognized as terrorists? I think he just might be!" Yep --...

babylonbee.com

Dear Associated Press morons.... ^^^

Sirhr

 

[BullGear]

My son has been to Israel many times. He's always escorted where ever he goes and they don't carry Glocks.

 

[Alphatreedog]

I think the question here is will Israel close the Gaza franchise of the Aloha Snackbar ? What follows ? Orange Jewlious ? Maybe a Hebrew National Hot Dog stand .

 

[Rthur]

Does this mean they'll be more of the 22 sniper vids?
Asking for a friend.

R

 

[BullGear]

I'm hearing that Israel is now using aircraft to surgically target Hammas.

 

[TurboTrout]

It’ll turn out the same way it always has with those two, some deaths on both sides, saber rattling, cease fire, rinse and repeat.

 

[TexPatriot]

I think the question here is will Israel close the Gaza franchise of the Aloha Snackbar ? What follows ? Orange Jewlious ? Maybe a Hebrew National Hot Dog stand .

Fuck the Ju's, fuck the snackbars. We have a communist regime thats pulled off a coup and are working to weaponize the military to use against it's citizens.

You think either one of those self-engrossed, turd countries cares, other than if it's going to stop their free handouts?

 

[Flyingbullseye]

Eight Warning Signs You Might Be Sharing Office Space With Terrorists

It's all too common in corporate America: you're hanging out by the water cooler and you suddenly think to yourself, "Hey, wait a minute -- is that guy over there with the AK-47 part of a violent insurgent group internationally recognized as terrorists? I think he just might be!" Yep --...

babylonbee.com

Dear Associated Press morons.... ^^^

Sirhr

Rather funny in a way how art imitates life. Ironic part is the babylonbee is closer to reality with copious amounts of sarcasm than just satire.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Does this mean they'll be more of the 22 sniper vids?
Asking for a friend.

R

Those were good!

excellent strategy, too. No body count if they walk off to get perforated bowel resected... Oh and painful. What a shame!

There is a lesson there!

Sirhr

 

[clcustom1911]

I think the question here is will Israel close the Gaza franchise of the Aloha Snackbar ? What follows ? Orange Jewlious ? Maybe a Hebrew National Hot Dog stand .

 

[tadawson]

Antifa/BLM and now PLM.

It appears commie soyboys skipped leg day as they try to stop a police car.



WTF did they think was going to happen, that 250hp, 4k lb. cruiser with posi-trac was just going to sit there and smoke it's rear tires?

I just don't get hpw these stupid criminal crotch-stains think they have any authority at all.

Time for LE to start playing "Dumbass Whack-A-Mole"!

 

[tadawson]

portland

Only if we can sever it and put it about 200 miles offshore. I doubt we want those assholes on our beach any more thwn Israel does!

 

[TexPatriot]

I just don't get hpw these stupid criminal crotch-stains think they have any authority at all.

Time for LE to start playing "Dumbass Whack-A-Mole"!

Cops are the nannies to these coddled and tantrum throwing, overgrown brats. They know they can't spank them or they'll lose their jobs and instead have to take their abuse. At the same time they're there to protect them from real Americans.

'Please move so I can drive through. You're being a bit of a pill.'

Notice how that one bitch acted out and slapped the cops hands that was trying to stop him, knowing there would be no repercussions to his actions.

Meanwhile, those same cops would run up and arrest you if that mob surrounded you and you acted like you were going to defend yourself.

 

[The D]

Well, since Israel gets billions of dollars from us, has nukes, plays their guilt trip card all the time, & is insane enough to have their “mutually assured destruction” policy my money will, unfortunately, be placed in Israel

 

[FS1]

my money will, unfortunately, be placed in Israel

Does Israel enjoy it when you put the money "in" Him.

 

[Fig]

Some of you wise and brilliant people should read more and talk less.

How to Ensure a Middle East War in Five Easy Steps

More than 2,500 rockets have landed in Israel over the past week. Some Arab Israeli citizens are terrorizing Jewish Israelis. Apparently, as the rockets fall, these citizens are to be Arab Islamic…

amgreatness.com

 

[The D]

Does Israel enjoy it when you put the money "in" Him.

Ducking autocorrect

...dammit

 

[The D]

Some of you wise and brilliant people should read more and talk less.

How to Ensure a Middle East War in Five Easy Steps

More than 2,500 rockets have landed in Israel over the past week. Some Arab Israeli citizens are terrorizing Jewish Israelis. Apparently, as the rockets fall, these citizens are to be Arab Islamic…

amgreatness.com

Sorry, can’t get through more than a paragraph of this fucking neocon propaganda claptrap

 

[Choid]

Sorry, can’t get through more than a paragraph of this fucking neocon propaganda claptrap.

There is literally nothing neocon in this piece.

 

[theLBC]

in a country where you can be arrested if you publicly report grooming or rape by a muslim.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

in a country where you can be arrested if you publicly report grooming or rape by a muslim.

Or if you are caught in public with a spork...

Until UK gets rid of their socialists, it will only get worse.

Sirhr

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I'll just drop this here... I didn't write it... but it deserves an Orson!




An interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates By Yashiko Sagamori

If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

When was it founded and by whom?

What were its borders?

What was its capital?

What were its major cities?

What constituted the basis of its economy?

What was its form of government?

Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?

Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?

What was the language of the country of Palestine ?

What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?

What was the name of its currency?

Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.

And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?


You are lamenting the "low sinking" of a "once proud" nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that "nation" proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call "Palestinians" are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over -- or thrown out of -- the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?

I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day "Palestinians" to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won't work here.

The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it "the Palestinian people" and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the "West Bank" and Gaza , respectively?

The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called "Palestinians" have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation" -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.

In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel 's ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria.

That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?

Reply

 

[RUTGERS95]

too many muslims, there I said it

 

[gol1]

Thanks for the kind words and trust as an Israeli I feel honored, it's funny that I was not aware of the situation and on last Tuesday was drinking a beer with a friend from my reserve unit, right after I left my parking place the alarms started and while trying to get to my house in a small suburb about 12 miles north-east of Tel-Aviv I had chance to share shelters in 3 different buildings in Tel-Aviv, it's nice to meet new peoples, actually we are all waiting to be called into service, but I have a deep feeling that it will not happen, only IAF and artillery are working, no reason to put us infantry in harms way, and from my experience and age I can't help but to agree no reason to get killed , if it can be done from air.
On the other hand lots of people believe that the never ending circle of pre-summer fighting rounds should end, I hate it when our children has to go to the bomb shelters in every fighting round and really hope that this time we will do anything necessary to stop it once and for all, I am willing to put my life on it, like many of my friends, I took part in all those fighting rounds all over m.e since 1994, and actually feel that it's pretty pointless if you don't surrender your enemy completely, every time we stopped fighting due to the international stress put on us it just resulted in new conflicts.
At the moment I feel that most of the western civilization support or at least understand our actions.
It will be harder fighting all the Iranian proxy all by ourselves but at least it means target reach environment
Stay safe and happy shooting
One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

 

[LeftyJason]

Thanks for the kind words and trust as an Israeli I feel honored, it's funny that I was not aware of the situation and on last Tuesday was drinking a beer with a friend from my reserve unit, right after I left my parking place the alarms started and while trying to get to my house in a small suburb about 12 miles north-east of Tel-Aviv I had chance to share shelters in 3 different buildings in Tel-Aviv, it's nice to meet new peoples, actually we are all waiting to be called into service, but I have a deep feeling that it will not happen, only IAF and artillery are working, no reason to put us infantry in harms way, and from my experience and age I can't help but to agree no reason to get killed , if it can be done from air.
On the other hand lots of people believe that the never ending circle of pre-summer fighting rounds should end, I hate it when our children has to go to the bomb shelters in every fighting round and really hope that this time we will do anything necessary to stop it once and for all, I am willing to put my life on it, like many of my friends, I took part in all those fighting rounds all over m.e since 1994, and actually feel that it's pretty pointless if you don't surrender your enemy completely, every time we stopped fighting due to the international stress put on us it just resulted in new conflicts.
At the moment I feel that most of the western civilization support or at least understand our actions.
It will be harder fighting all the Iranian proxy all by ourselves but at least it means target reach environment
Stay safe and happy shooting
One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

Good luck and stay safe. We are rooting for you.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

If you take out the word "Arabs" and insert the word "Liberals..." it's exactly the same thing! Just ask folks in Colorado, Vermont and, soon, Texas.

Stay safe, sir!

Sirhr

 

[gol1]

Actually life here goes on as usual, we just have to go to the bomb shelters from time to time usually twice to four times a day, in my region there was no rocket attacks since Saturday, I make sure that where ever my kids are going to there are shelters but we work all live almost as usual, only a little tired from the night wake up.
The covid was worse so no reason to complain.
And sight I didn't forget what I promised you, I just have to find time to send it, sorry for the delay

 

[TexPatriot]

in a country where you can be arrested if you publicly report grooming or rape by a muslim.

A .22 with a suppresser. So many opportunities.

 

[The D]

There is literally nothing neocon in this piece.

We probably have differing opinions on what “neocon” means. But I did read through the article and it still screams like an Israel pity piece. I’m not saying that any party in the Middle East is “good” or “bad”, but that all nations are to blame for destroying the region. And that nobody should fall for Israel crying foul and that they’re so innocent. The Israeli gov is, after all, a gov that uses force and violence to get their way and damn anyone or anything that gets in their way(like all of them, though)

 

[Choid]

We probably have differing opinions on what “neocon” means. But I did read through the article and it still screams like an Israel pity piece. I’m not saying that any party in the Middle East is “good” or “bad”, but that all nations are to blame for destroying the region. And that nobody should fall for Israel crying foul and that they’re so innocent. The Israeli gov is, after all, a gov that uses force and violence to get their way and damn anyone or anything that gets in their way(like all of them, though)

I'd argue there are no neocons left. The only semi prominent one to still be a Republican is Mike Anton, and he is as far from neocon as you can get these days. The rest are just liberals.

That said, support for Israel is not a neocon thing, though they tended to be supportive of Israel. And the fact that Israel has its own issues does not make them similarly bad to Hamas or Fatah. No more than anybody would argue that the clap and AIDS are similarly bad. More to the point, the Trump plan, which VDH was espousing, was very supportive of Israel, though not very neocon in that it shifted the question away from moral legitimacy and toward political power as means of region stabilization, with Arab interactions with Israel put in the position of being beneficial to regional stability. What he is complaining about is the recasting of this quagmire as a moral, human rights issue, which is much more up the neocon alley. In fact, I'd also argue that the left position and the (traditional) neocon position are joined at the hip in opposition in making it about morality rather than power, while the other way is grounding it in power politics, which is a language that the actual powers in the ME understand all too well. Your position seems to be more grounded in the morality of use of force as a government, which is just as far from realism as the other two. Not saying that political realism is the correct point of view, though it is mine, but that it is distinct from the others in its metrics.

TLDR version; Bad Orange Man got this one right, against half a century of neocon/liberal squabbling over two sides of the same coin, which didn't actually represent the currency of the situation. Biden wants to undo that, VDH disagrees.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Thanks for the kind words and trust as an Israeli I feel honored, it's funny that I was not aware of the situation and on last Tuesday was drinking a beer with a friend from my reserve unit, right after I left my parking place the alarms started and while trying to get to my house in a small suburb about 12 miles north-east of Tel-Aviv I had chance to share shelters in 3 different buildings in Tel-Aviv, it's nice to meet new peoples, actually we are all waiting to be called into service, but I have a deep feeling that it will not happen, only IAF and artillery are working, no reason to put us infantry in harms way, and from my experience and age I can't help but to agree no reason to get killed , if it can be done from air.
On the other hand lots of people believe that the never ending circle of pre-summer fighting rounds should end, I hate it when our children has to go to the bomb shelters in every fighting round and really hope that this time we will do anything necessary to stop it once and for all, I am willing to put my life on it, like many of my friends, I took part in all those fighting rounds all over m.e since 1994, and actually feel that it's pretty pointless if you don't surrender your enemy completely, every time we stopped fighting due to the international stress put on us it just resulted in new conflicts.
At the moment I feel that most of the western civilization support or at least understand our actions.
It will be harder fighting all the Iranian proxy all by ourselves but at least it means target reach environment
Stay safe and happy shooting
One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

stay safe and keep us informed with eyes on the ground please

 

[RUTGERS95]

If you take out the word "Arabs" and insert the word "Liberals..." it's exactly the same thing! Just ask folks in Colorado, Vermont and, soon, Texas.

Stay safe, sir!

Sirhr

great point

 

[The D]

I'd argue there are no neocons left. The only semi prominent one to still be a Republican is Mike Anton, and he is as far from neocon as you can get these days. The rest are just liberals.

That said, support for Israel is not a neocon thing, though they tended to be supportive of Israel. And the fact that Israel has its own issues does not make them similarly bad to Hamas or Fatah. No more than anybody would argue that the clap and AIDS are similarly bad. More to the point, the Trump plan, which VDH was espousing, was very supportive of Israel, though not very neocon in that it shifted the question away from moral legitimacy and toward political power as means of region stabilization, with Arab interactions with Israel put in the position of being beneficial to regional stability. What he is complaining about is the recasting of this quagmire as a moral, human rights issue, which is much more up the neocon alley. In fact, I'd also argue that the left position and the (traditional) neocon position are joined at the hip in opposition in making it about morality rather than power, while the other way is grounding it in power politics, which is a language that the actual powers in the ME understand all too well. Your position seems to be more grounded in the morality of use of force as a government, which is just as far from realism as the other two. Not saying that political realism is the correct point of view, though it is mine, but that it is distinct from the others in its metrics.

TLDR version; Bad Orange Man got this one right, against half a century of neocon/liberal squabbling over two sides of the same coin, which didn't actually represent the currency of the situation. Biden wants to undo that, VDH disagrees.

Just like his positions in 2A and war, trump at least said some good things about Israel/Palestine but actually did some pretty bad shit. Making the call to move the embassy to Jerusalem was a dick move and only made things worse.

You’re right about Biden not doing anything even remotely productive to try to get a peace deal in place is par for the course for that fucking dementia patient. Like I said, all sides are just sticking their fingers in their ears, holding their breath, & stomping around instead of trying to come to a conclusion to stop the violence

 

[Odysseus1911]

One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

You shall name him Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction. He will be a wild donkey of a man. His hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. He will dwell in hostility toward all of his brothers. Genesis 16:11-12

This is as accurate a description of Arabs today as it was of the first Arab, 4000 years ago.

 

[Choid]

Just like his positions in 2A and war, trump at least said some good things about Israel/Palestine but actually did some pretty bad shit. Making the call to move the embassy to Jerusalem was a dick move and only made things worse.

You’re right about Biden not doing anything even remotely productive to try to get a peace deal in place is par for the course for that fucking dementia patient. Like I said, all sides are just sticking their fingers in their ears, holding their breath, & stomping around instead of trying to come to a conclusion to stop the violence

I disagree about Jerusalem. I can't think of another country where we tell them that we won't put our embassy in their self designated capitol city, and it did nothing at all. Don't buy into the garbage that this is somehow related to moving the embassy. Arguably, Trump understood the Middle East exactly because he had no coherent ideology and only understood power, which meant he could interface on level ground with all of the other assholes there, Bibi included. But the reality of that part of the world is hard power, just like the reality of Europe is weakness masquerading as strength. Statesmanship requires that one can thrive on all those levels.

We'll have to disagree about all sides being the same bad, just like we disagreed about voting for Trump rather than Biden because he was imperfect. Reality intervenes, and we have to live in it, so we do. And honestly, I can guarantee you that if there were no attacks from Pals for ten years, Israel would spend the entire ten years doing no violence. I'd be happy to bet on that.

 

[10ring'r]

Thanks for the kind words and trust as an Israeli I feel honored, it's funny that I was not aware of the situation and on last Tuesday was drinking a beer with a friend from my reserve unit, right after I left my parking place the alarms started and while trying to get to my house in a small suburb about 12 miles north-east of Tel-Aviv I had chance to share shelters in 3 different buildings in Tel-Aviv, it's nice to meet new peoples, actually we are all waiting to be called into service, but I have a deep feeling that it will not happen, only IAF and artillery are working, no reason to put us infantry in harms way, and from my experience and age I can't help but to agree no reason to get killed , if it can be done from air.
On the other hand lots of people believe that the never ending circle of pre-summer fighting rounds should end, I hate it when our children has to go to the bomb shelters in every fighting round and really hope that this time we will do anything necessary to stop it once and for all, I am willing to put my life on it, like many of my friends, I took part in all those fighting rounds all over m.e since 1994, and actually feel that it's pretty pointless if you don't surrender your enemy completely, every time we stopped fighting due to the international stress put on us it just resulted in new conflicts.
At the moment I feel that most of the western civilization support or at least understand our actions.
It will be harder fighting all the Iranian proxy all by ourselves but at least it means target reach environment
Stay safe and happy shooting
One last thing, did you ever think how can it be that Arabs always fight something and are never happy in their home countries, they always migrates to western countries where they thrive and prospect and than try to force those welcoming countries to change and look like that places they flead from?, isn't it strange?

Good luck to you Sir. Watch your six and my money is on you and your people. Mac

 

[SilentStalkr]

Good luck to you Sir. Watch your six and my money is on you and your people. Mac

Shit I’m thinking about moving there!

 

[tadawson]

Can't say that I have been in Israel while shit was hot, but in the time I have been there (Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Ra'anana - a couple months for work . . .) I have felt far safer in Israel that I ever have in any major city in the US. They don't fuck around (unlike here where then send Barney out 10 minutes late with his rubber gun to document the failure).

Plus, the 20-something Israeli chicks in camo packing full-auto in the mall are hot AF! (Bigfatcock would likely black out from blood loss due to permawood, just sayin' . . . but then again, that bar isn't that high ).

 

[Graywolf.260]

I was there between the first and second intifadas. There is a lot of ignorance that could be fixed by studying a little history. After the 1967 war, after Nasser's bluff was called, after he lost face and Egypt lost territory in the Sinai, Nasser washed his hands of the Palestinians and turned the fight over to Arafat who was an even worse poker player. Ever since, Israel has had the upper hand over the Arabs. Gaza is a shithole and the West Bank is effectively under Israeli control and new settlements keep expanding. Netanyahu has ruthlessly pressed the advantage and much of the rest of the Arab world has thrown in the towel. Instead of setting up a two state solution he kept pressing and may have pressed too far. He has a lot of accumulated baggage and he thought he could stir a little shit at Al-Aqsa to distract from his legal and political troubles but it was obviously a ploy to allow him to form another government. It got out of hand and has become very ugly even by the normal standards. Israelis have been starting to wake up and realize that at the end of this game they may have won in theory but they also get to figure out what to do with the millions of Israeli Arabs who come with the prize, not to mention the angry mobs outside the gates. Meanwhile we are about to close the door on Iraq/Afghanistan, just in time for the Taliban and Al Qaeda recruitment season to start up again. Of course we will continue paying billions every year to Israel for its defense.

 

[Choid]

There is a really easy, bottom line way of understanding this. If the Palestinians took all of their arms and rockets, and threw them in the ocean, there would be peace tomorrow. Not on their terms, but peace. If the Israelis did the same, there would be genocide. Nobody in their right mind would argue otherwise, so all of the equivalence bullshit is just that... bullshit.

 

[GUNNER10]

Case in point,

The Palestinians have been toss out of every country that they set up shop, and the only reason that they support the Palestinians in this conflict is because with a nation, they could go the fuck home

GTFO

 

[GUNNER10]

You shall name him Ishmael, because the Lord has heard your affliction. He will be a wild donkey of a man. His hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. He will dwell in hostility toward all of his brothers. Genesis 16:11-12

This is as accurate a description of Arabs today as it was of the first Arab, 4000 years ago.

I am not sure that I would agree with this, not all Arabs are created equal and one can't not really compare your average Kuwaiti, Emerati, or Saudi with an Egyptian, Syrian, or a Iraqi. Its almost like saying that a somebody from NYC or NJ is practically the same thing as somebody from WV or Texas, dramatically different cultures and value systems

For example, as backwards as the Middle East is, I would sooner live in Kuwait that to step one foot inside of NYC.

 

[Odysseus1911]

I am not sure that I would agree with this, not all Arabs are created equal and one can't not really compare your average Kuwaiti, Emerati, or Saudi with an Egyptian, Syrian, or a Iraqi. Its almost like saying that a somebody from NYC or NJ is practically the same thing as somebody from WV or Texas, dramatically different cultures and value systems

For example, as backwards as the Middle East is, I would sooner live in Kuwait that to step one foot inside of NYC.

Sure, they've got significant tribal differences. But the view from 30,000 ft. is this: the Middle East has been beset by near continuous internal conflict for the last 4000 years. Jews were absent the region for roughly the last 2000 years of that (until 70 years ago), and their absence had no impact on that reality.