JFK--Werbell---Surpressors

[Gunfighter14e2]

Interesting there was a burn notice on Werbell,... as well as the BKHERALD reference to him.
Long read but worth the time/effort if you remember history or know other details/people. If you knew some folks or ran in some circles a few dots start connecting rather quickly. There are/will be no cliff's notes as related info, is required to prove which dots connect.
There are 3-4 people on this board that will recall/know of some of this based upon past conversations. It took a guy I know a long time to gather this, an it's posted on the net in a few different/key places.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10256-10092.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10182-10071.pdf

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10182-10072.pdf

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=BKHERALD

 

[Maggot]

Interesting. The 3rd page was too long but to skim but I didnt see the JFK connection.

 

[j-huskey]

BKHERALD

 

[j-huskey]

Old Hook had a lot of bad stuff to say about Werbell..... lots...

there were some really bent sobs in that hood... former christians doing breakfast meetings, almost like burn notice and marijuana was to shut a mouth. Esp after they let him sell the guns, like a payoff.... and there was a bush in there several people hid behind, who figured in a wilson and turpil event, who .....

And a poorly thought of RVN sniper, Waldron worked for Werbell..... further cementing Old Hooks dislike.

Old Hook thoughts on Dallas were interesting, as well as Col Bayard getting killed in 75... that killing scared him.

Wonder why Bob Brown didn't out Werbell on the marijuana in soldier of fiction magazine... I seem to recall a pic of Brown and Werbell in a weapons demo in RVN somewhere in the cobwebs....
Seemed like Brown was a Werbell cheerleader at one point... Bob knows an awful lot for such a dissembler...

N there is a pic around here at a convention...

Interesting characters... conventioneers.....
beware of menacide...

Hmmm
?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Old Hook had a lot of bad stuff to say about Werbell..... lots...

Dot's for you?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Interesting. The 3rd page was too long but to skim but I didnt see the JFK connection.

Read between the lines, remembering history an the track a few names an events back,...

 

[j-huskey]

Dot's for you?

Not really...

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Considering that I was born during the Vietnam era, I've got no knowledge of any of this, and very little understand of who/what connections there are to Kennedy.

--waiting for the movie to come out.

 

[Maggot]

Considering that I was born during the Vietnam era, I've got no knowledge of any of this, and very little understand of who/what connections there are to Kennedy.

--waiting for the movie to come out.

One could begin by understanding that the OSS which became the CIA, had very close ties to the Cosa Nostra/ Mafia in Europe during WWII for information gathering. the Mafia hated the Nazis as much as everyone else. So when the CIA sanctioned Kennedy's assassination, it was no problem to have the New Orleans mob do the hit.

Thats why Kennedy was going to take the CIA apart into 1000 pieces...because they are criminals.

Wait, theres a knocking on my door.

 

[Maggot]

^^^It becomes less funny when you realize that they funded their war with Nicaragua by flying tons of cocaine into our country then filling the prisons with the black men who sold it for them.

War's good business, give your son. Grace Slick.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

@Maggot I hear you, and I get it. Primarily, I was 'laughing' at the "there's a knocking on my door". The topic itself isn't funny though. Not by a long shot.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

^^^It becomes less funny when you realize that they funded their war with Nicaragua by flying tons of cocaine into our country then filling the prisons with the black men who sold it for them.

War's good business, give your son. Grace Slick.

You trying to stop the economy from growing? Remember the drug war, war on poverity an battlefield war's in general spur the GDP, that is simple fact. Cash cows come in many different forms,...

 

[Maggot]

You trying to stop the economy from growing? Remember the drug war, war on poverity an battlefield war's in general spur the GDP, that is simple fact. Cash cows come in many different forms,...

After pondering it for the morning, I think I get your connection. A very quiet storm sewer....

 

[RTH1800]

Some of that Werbell stuff is really off the deep end. You read about half of it and start looking out your window and listening for helicopters in the night. Guy was sort of a lunatic, genius, publicity hound, secret operator, coke and booze hound. None of it matched. Then throw A.F. Waldron into the mix, get him send to prison, early death and I never could figure out what was going on. One of the most intriguing figures of the post war period.


I did not read the above links but plan on doing so.

 

[QuickNDirty]

So, are we thinking Werbell was LHO's handler?

 

[RTH1800]

Kennedy was going to take the CIA apart due to it being competition to his organization of crime. It was just business.

 

[RTH1800]

Did any of the above touch on the infamous Umbrella gun and Umbrella man ?

 

[Sieg]

Quite lethal and stealth when combined with a perch in a storm sewer.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Did any of the above touch on the infamous Umbrella gun and Umbrella man ?

No, not directly.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

So, are we thinking Werbell was LHO's handler?

My take from everything to date, Oswald an Ruby were both patsy's.

 

[W54/XM-388]

My take from everything to date, Oswald an Ruby were both patsy's.

Yep, it was a bit too convenient.... Ruby kills Oswald before he can talk... then Ruby winds up dead before he can talk.

 

[j-huskey]

Interesting q would b why anybody would know enough to foia on old Mitchell.....
What else do they know...

 

[RTH1800]

Mitchell was a high profile guy. News hound etc. lot of reasons to be examined.

 

[gunjunkie45]

My kid's maternal grandfather is Gerald Patrick Hemming, so I just pretend I know what really happened to Kennedy just like him.

 

[DuneBoer]

Whispering death. I still have a few of that old Sionics stuff. Nostalgic. Gotta love the wipes.

 

[Nik H]

Early MAC-10 semis with an open bolt were relatively interesting

 

[DuneBoer]

Early MAC-10 semis with an open bolt were relatively interesting

Yes they are. You can modify old grease gun mags to work in them. The old suppressed MAC 10’s are not sexy but suppressed they are pretty cool. Love that movie 3 Days of the Condor. Cool Suppressed MAC 10 action in it.

 

[Strykervet]

I thought I was the only one left wondering about Mitchell werbell III --nobody else knows who he is. Should've known you guys would have.

I always thought it strange him being there, at that moment, knowing what he does, knowing who he does. He was the singular man on Earth at the time that could distinguish a suppressed shot from random noise. He invented the modern rifle suppressor to be used with modern ammunition and high power rifles. Having him there to assess the situation with respect to noise would have been invaluable during the clean up. And he sure as shit benefited from it, getting honorary two or three star general rank so he could fly over Vietnam as he saw fit. Allowed to sell an untested POS weapon directly to ground units. His "whispering death".

I just KNOW that motherfucker knew what was going on. Maybe not all the details, but enough.

 

[skinnj1]

Dots are interesting. With or without context.

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/News/cutolo.htm

 

[QuickNDirty]

Dots are interesting. With or without context.

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/News/cutolo.htm

Wtf... They watched a dude kill another dude's wife, then let the other dude go to prison for it?

 

[Maggot]

A little known fact.

The Nicaraguan Sandinista's also financed their war with drugs, but they grew and sent thousands of tons of cannabis to the US through Cuba.

 

[Nik H]

Yes they are. You can modify old grease gun mags to work in them. The old suppressed MAC 10’s are not sexy but suppressed they are pretty cool. Love that movie 3 Days of the Condor. Cool Suppressed MAC 10 action in it.

It is louder than the movie though but that is one gun that everyone should have

 

[Bender]

I thought I was the only one left wondering about Mitchell werbell III --nobody else knows who he is. Should've known you guys would have.

I always thought it strange him being there, at that moment, knowing what he does, knowing who he does. He was the singular man on Earth at the time that could distinguish a suppressed shot from random noise. He invented the modern rifle suppressor to be used with modern ammunition and high power rifles. Having him there to assess the situation with respect to noise would have been invaluable during the clean up. And he sure as shit benefited from it, getting honorary two or three star general rank so he could fly over Vietnam as he saw fit. Allowed to sell an untested POS weapon directly to ground units. His "whispering death".

I just KNOW that motherfucker knew what was going on. Maybe not all the details, but enough.

This rang so true to me it has to be what happened.

I have a hard time believing in coincidence.

As for the Kennedy family, they only rose to power during prohibition and with the mob being alcohol runners.

He was no saint. But CIA deep state is nothing new.