What is your opinion on it being mandatory? Punishable by jail time if you fail to show. I thought this was America? I was called for duty in 2015 and again for upcoming 2018. I understand they call from the voter registrations. But ive been called twice now in less than 3 years and my boss' wife hasnt been called in over 12 years. And she votes every year and has voted every year since she was 18. Has only been called once in her life. And is 38. I only started voting 3 1/2 years ago. Im 33. How is that "random"? We live in a county with a population of roughly 60,000. I asked other people my age if theyve ever been called for jury duty, and all of them said no. Im guessing because they dont vote. If my "reward" is getting to do jury duty every year for voting, im going to say fuck it and not vote. Or file some kind of complaint? I think jury duty should be volunteer/optional when you register to vote. Some people love it. Others hate it. Not to mention the pain in the ass it is with the job. And working out of the county is no longer a "valid" excuse here. Which I do every week. And youre compensated pennies. If youre going to make me lose hundreds of dollars by forcing me to do jury duty, match what Im going to lose! Stick that $5-$15 up your ass. Times are tough.
Jury Duty
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If it were up to me I would not allow anyone working or not retired to be seated on a jury.
Even passing those qual's, they would have to take a competency test, an fully understand the term "Jury Nullification". This country has been taken over via stupid, lazy, an easily swayed jury's by high priced mouth pieces an judges with an agenda.
Even passing those qual's, they would have to take a competency test, an fully understand the term "Jury Nullification". This country has been taken over via stupid, lazy, an easily swayed jury's by high priced mouth pieces an judges with an agenda.
I was called once and was released because of work. I regret that. There are a lot of morons out there and if I were on trial Id want someone like me on the jury because Im going to go with whats right, not whats convenient. The money aside, thats the system we're working under and I consider it a solmen responsibility to my fellow man.
That may not be exactly the reponse you were hoping for but its where Im at.
That may not be exactly the reponse you were hoping for but its where Im at.
I've been seated on four different juries over the years. For the most part, I thought they were all shitshows for various and sundry reasons. One of the first thoughts to cross my mind was that if I ever did break the law, the first thing I would want as a defendant is a trial by jury. You could put 12 adults into a room with nothing but a table, chairs and a clock on the wall. It never occurred to me that you could ask each person what time it was and you would get at a minimum, six different answers, maybe as many as twelve. First time jury duty is a real eye opener.
Having said all that, I echo Mag's sentiment above. As citizens, we owe it to society and to ourselves. It is part and parcel to the democracy we live in. The alternatives are far less palatable.
Having said all that, I echo Mag's sentiment above. As citizens, we owe it to society and to ourselves. It is part and parcel to the democracy we live in. The alternatives are far less palatable.
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While I'm not sure how I would fix the jury system, it is currently broken. A defendant either gets 12 people who were't smart enough to get out of jury duty, or people who aren't his/her peers. My peers are people who work/worked for their living, not mall rats, or third generation welfare cases. I can even understand people who get called for jury duty not wanting to answer the probing, personal questions that attorneys ask.
The bigger problem is that I don't know what the solution is. Maybe giving attorneys more leeway in selecting people who actually ARE peers of the defendant...but then the prosecution would complain.
The bigger problem is that I don't know what the solution is. Maybe giving attorneys more leeway in selecting people who actually ARE peers of the defendant...but then the prosecution would complain.
I've been called but released because of being LEO. I've seen first hand how members are picked. Each side is trying to choose those that think will vote for their side. As an example I was a lead investigator for a child molesting case and a "redneck good ol boy" was seated. I questioned the prosecutor because I was afraid "rednecks" could be anti-police. Prosecutor thought that most "rednecks" hate child molesters. Redneck was chosen, she was right and we got a convection. Each side has mental lists of who they think will sympathise for their side. Nothing but a game.
As to pay, I might be wrong but I thought your job was required to pay the difference between what jury pay is and what your normal pay would be. Most employers have that written into their employee handbook.
As to pay, I might be wrong but I thought your job was required to pay the difference between what jury pay is and what your normal pay would be. Most employers have that written into their employee handbook.
The last time I went to Jury Duty, I filled out a questionnaire asking about my job (retired SF), income level (a lot), education (Master's plus), and group membership (NRA, DAV, SF assoc.). There were about 75 potential juror's and after adjourning for the defense and prosecution to review the forms, we were each given a number. The numbers were the order in which we were to be interviewed. They were rank-ordered with the lowest, first to be called, as the individuals who were most likely to be satisfactory to both defense and prosecution. I was number 75.
When questioned by the judge or lawyers, I always say I just "know" who is guilty and who isn't. Just a feeling I get, don't need to listen to the evidence. For some reason, I'm always dismissed.
I think your assumption is incorrect. It certainly is incorrect here. A lot of people seem to believe that, however. When we got married 25 years ago, my wife was not registered to vote. Her reason was the same as yours - didn't want to be called to jury duty because "they use voter registration to call you to jury duty." I registered when I was 18 and have stayed active ever since, so I disapproved of her refusal to register. Several years went by and...she got called to jury duty. Never registered. After that she didn't have an excuse so I made her register (she didn't object any more anyway), and she has stayed active ever since, and has never been called since.
Im well aware of the jury nullification powers. And im going to make that clear in my interview. If this is a case of minor drugs or petty crime, Im going to let it be known. Our prison systems are too flooded with minor crap. And Ill let the other jurors know of the power they hold. I dont believe a person should face prison time for selling weed. Community service and fines are sufficient enough for that. Meth, cocaine and heroine are different. And prescription pills. Id throw the book at them.
Its NOT that I dont want to "serve" my fellow citizen, its the process at which jury duty is selected. Which I think needs a new look. Get jurors who WANT to be there. Not just people who vote. My brother is all about court rooms. And hes never been called once. Hes 36. He also doesnt vote. Dont stick a gun in a guys back and tell him to show or else! That just pisses people off and leads them to lie just to get out of serving. And if they are selected, how much is their head in the game? Not much. They just mindlessly follow what everybody else wants to do.
Its NOT that I dont want to "serve" my fellow citizen, its the process at which jury duty is selected. Which I think needs a new look. Get jurors who WANT to be there. Not just people who vote. My brother is all about court rooms. And hes never been called once. Hes 36. He also doesnt vote. Dont stick a gun in a guys back and tell him to show or else! That just pisses people off and leads them to lie just to get out of serving. And if they are selected, how much is their head in the game? Not much. They just mindlessly follow what everybody else wants to do.
It may be different in your county. But in mine, they feed off the voter registration. They even tell you that in the letter they send.
Yes, it is different here then. Your initial post said that you "understood" that they call from registration, not that you had actual proof. I took that to mean something different, as in someone told you, etc, as was the case with my wife. It was not true.
I got it twice in 2017. Once for county court, which I was told the night before we didn't need you then a few months later for city. Since the county didn't use me, I was valid for the city court and was dismissed after lunch that day.
What a crock
A jury of my peers will never be seated, so why the fuck should I bother?
I am:
Former military
Well educated (masters degree)
Have a logical/technical mind (engineer)
Constitutional originalist
Latino
Find 12 people like that and get them seated on a jury.....Hell, try to seat a jury in which all twelve members hit 3 out of 5.......LOL I'll wait.
I'd almost take my chances with the judge.
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Obviously you are higher qualified than many.
Relying on a "Judge" might be the worst education you ever receive.
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I been called, let the guy go, I knew he did what he did but they charged felony, he stole $600 in scrap copper wire from a scrap collection point. No need throwing the guy in jail for 6 months for his family to go on welfare. Thought the charges were too harsh, I told the other jurors that a few got pissed and wanted to convict the guy but I basically told them I wont do it and that my work actually paid me time and a half for doing my civic duty so the longer we were there the better for me. Gotta do your civic duty.
I have a house in 3 states.
Anytime I've ever gotten a notice from the state I was a resident of that year, my response was that I was living at one of my other houses in the other state during this time along with a copy of a bill from that house.
I'm 4 for 4 on never hearing back.
Anytime I've ever gotten a notice from the state I was a resident of that year, my response was that I was living at one of my other houses in the other state during this time along with a copy of a bill from that house.
I'm 4 for 4 on never hearing back.
I have been called once. It was clear that they were angling to eliminate all college-educated from the jury, so I knew I would not make the cut (2 Master's degrees). But partway through I revealed I had a scheduled work trip halfway across the country in the way and they let me go; I didn't know that was a good enough excuse not to do my duty so had been willing to cancel.
The whole thing was such a waste because the dude had his whole felony recorded on state video surveillance....
The whole thing was such a waste because the dude had his whole felony recorded on state video surveillance....
Wow.
It's only a felony.
Of course, he was a thief, and is still a thief. He likely stole shit to pay his bail bondsman.
I could only hope he steals your shit, not someone else's, because you obviously don't mind if someone steals stuff that you paid for.
So the victim, in this case, the scrap dealer, got no restitution, because you didn't want to punish a thief.
He likely would have been given probation and required to pay a fine, which, of course, he would have stolen more shit in order to pay the fine. But then again, you're okay with that.
So out of line, almost hard to believe isn’t it? I think he’s just trolling the forum members that are cops, as he hates them all very much.
Be kinda funny if the dude he let go, went on to burglarize his home with his new found freedom.
I had to sit through two months worth of grand jury hearings when I got called to jury duty. The fact that I come from a military background, am college educated and active LE didn't seem to matter. But then again being that it was GJ hearings, maybe thats just what the prosecutors were looking for.
Another thing that a lot of people don't think of is that these criminals are out committing crimes in their communities, why wouldn't you want a chance to make them answer up for their crimes?
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Copper thieves are fucking awful. Especially the slimey bastards that break into houses and steal every bit of copper that aint bolted down with something they can't cut at the time. I dunno if it's possible to revoke the possibility of probation as a juror, but that's what I'd be after.
JUst the douche bag ones, which are few thankfully, and no I ain't trolling the forum coppers, don't think yourself that important.
Theft deprives the victim not just of property but also of the time it took to earn the money to buy the stolen property.
You cannot make more time.
The old west had it right, thieves should be hanged from the nearest tree.
You cannot make more time.
The old west had it right, thieves should be hanged from the nearest tree.
Amazing to me how he could prioritize a criminal’s well-being over that of the victim. How very SJW of him! Disgusting stuff.
Nullification is powerful tool against the judicial industrial complex aint it. You are all mad because someone isn't in jail, or in the system, but you haven't said shit about people skipping on their civic duty, really shows what you are really concerned about. I would have shot the guy if he broke into my house, the scrap yard owner should not have left his scrap out on the goddamn street outside his gate in a big goddam pile and he likely wouldn't have had a issue. Arresting officer commented on the polite disposition of the perp when he was asked by the defense lawyer. Guy sees a pile of wire on the sidewalk and takes it, he wont be going to jail with me on teh jury so fuk off (in a nice way).
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Copper thieves fuck shit up well beyond what you might expect.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...ses-Home-to-Collapse-Officials-214475361.html
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/gene...spected-of-causing-house-explosion-with-video
http://nation.time.com/2013/10/01/copper-theft-gets-weirder-and-more-dangerous/
Keep trying to justify your shitty behavior. You had one job, to determine guilt or innocence. Penalty phase would have come later, and you may or may not have been part of that, where you may have had a say. First offenders usually don’t get the hammer dropped on them, repeat offenders do. You wouldn’t have been privy to prior offenses till the penalty phase. The system was working until you got involved. Disgusting! Really too bad the other jurors couldn’t get you tossed, would have been easy. You’re the reason alternates are picked.
The bad guy was polite....seriously?
heheh I have a civic responsibility, you can spout all your gibberish you want, just remember nullification is real, I don't have to nor am I justifying anything to you or anyone else, so sit there and stew all you want.on that day in that court, I put a stop to taxpayer money being wasted, Be careful if you work for government you might be the next waste we cut.
And that is "alleged" bad guy,actually he wasn't convicted of anything so you should just call him Joe taxpayer or Jose taxpayer in this case as he didn't speak a word of frikken english.He is a taxpayer, someone who pays for government services, not to get abused and called names like "bad guy" by government employees. Just think , if he shot someone on their porch and was wearing a badge he could have just went home and received a paid vacation, you all speak out of both sides of your mouths.
And that is "alleged" bad guy,actually he wasn't convicted of anything so you should just call him Joe taxpayer or Jose taxpayer in this case as he didn't speak a word of frikken english.He is a taxpayer, someone who pays for government services, not to get abused and called names like "bad guy" by government employees. Just think , if he shot someone on their porch and was wearing a badge he could have just went home and received a paid vacation, you all speak out of both sides of your mouths.
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Dont get all semantic, you heard the evidence, and you said he did it. Interesting how strong a stance you take towards people trying to take your shit, but fuck the scrap guy.
That's where you're wrong, I could give two fucks about him being in jail or not being in jail. I just think it would be funny and ironic if YOU were his next victim. Maybe when he's running off with your shit, he'll be polite and say "thanks".
Since I started this thread on jury duty, I felt no need to make another.
Just an update. Received my THIRD jury duty letter in the mail today for 2018. Both were canceled the morning of. But, I had to arrange with work to be absent those days, and then it gets canceled. Now I have another coming up in less than 2 weeks. This is getting absurd. In a county of 60k+ people, how can I get called 3 times in 1 year? No matter if I serve or not. NOBODY gets 3 letters in one year. Some never get a letter in their lifetime!
Im tempted to call the local sheriff and voice my displeasure. Im definitely writing the bailiff who sent me the letter.
Who else has been called on 3 times in one year?
Just an update. Received my THIRD jury duty letter in the mail today for 2018. Both were canceled the morning of. But, I had to arrange with work to be absent those days, and then it gets canceled. Now I have another coming up in less than 2 weeks. This is getting absurd. In a county of 60k+ people, how can I get called 3 times in 1 year? No matter if I serve or not. NOBODY gets 3 letters in one year. Some never get a letter in their lifetime!
Im tempted to call the local sheriff and voice my displeasure. Im definitely writing the bailiff who sent me the letter.
Who else has been called on 3 times in one year?
Jury nullification, I look to get seated, if I cant find the crime in the constitution I nullify.
Every couple years I get called.
Never make it past the first round of eliminations.
I don't think they want people on the Juries that have their own ideas about justice and right/wrong.
Never make it past the first round of eliminations.
I don't think they want people on the Juries that have their own ideas about justice and right/wrong.
Not sure. Never flown.
Emailed the sheriff and the bailiff. I get letters from both. So...
Im half tempted to contact my cousin who lives in Montana and have a utility bill put in my name so I can claim im in Montana when I get a letter. Thats how aggravated I am.
Hi,
Been called 3 times in the last 15 years, none the 10 years before that.
Each time I go into my passport and send them a Resident Visa for some other country and I get dismissed.
I am not on a no fly list but am on the "You have been pre-selected for additional screening" list.....ever since that explosive machine went off in Israel.....
Sincerely,
Theis
Been called 3 times in the last 15 years, none the 10 years before that.
Each time I go into my passport and send them a Resident Visa for some other country and I get dismissed.
I am not on a no fly list but am on the "You have been pre-selected for additional screening" list.....ever since that explosive machine went off in Israel.....
Sincerely,
Theis
You're emotional and dilating. 3 times? Three fucking times? Don't ever stand by me man. You're fucking cursed.
Hmmmm. Let me see if I understand this correctly. The scrap dealer that makes money by paying cash with no questions asked to copper thieves that strip wiring and plumbing from unoccupied properties then leaves the copper in an unattended bin on a public street or sidewalk and has the audacity to feel aggrieved when it gets stolen. Is that about right?
Houston, I think we've found a lower form of life than copper thieves.
I havent been called since 2003.... and Ive never had to serve it.
It appears i have better luck than you. ?
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